India's Tejas and China's Xiaolong fighters compared

[Windjammer]

When we criticize our weapon , we have best in the world as the benchmark. Even Mighty MKI and system like smearch were criticized by CAG. We have learned to walk and run and we are in a race. We do not claim ourselves to be the running champion when we are unable to walk or somebody else walk for us. I hope you understand the meaning.

Yes you just call it........INDIGENOUS.!!!!

 

[HariPrasad]

Yes you just call it........INDIGENOUS.!!!!

Yes it is indigenous. Full Chinese plane with Pakistani paint is a Pakistani plane than why not Tejas?.

 

[hussain0216]

LCA IS EQUAL TO F-35 AND HAL DEFEATED THE LOCKHEED MARTIN.BCZ INDIA GOT AN ALIEN TECHNOLOGY

Not alien tech, vedic

Its like alien technology but better and with a slight curry smell

We are on page 24 now how long will we keep going

Lets spell out the basic problem with the LCA it was developed in 80s as a indigenous replacement for the mig 21

Target date 1994

DODO missed the target date so the longer the project went on the more unacceptable it was for the indian airforce to induct a plane they originally wanted in the early 90s

So the airforce inevitability had to increase its requirements because would you induct a plane NOW with the tech requirements you had in 1994


So the Saga went on with DODO repeatedly missing target dates, incorporating mostly foreign parts and technology and the price of the plane ballooning


The indian airforce long ago ditched this plane it was and is political pressure that keeps the development going

It is now overpriced where the airforce feels whats the point of inducting this lemon when for 10-15 million more they could buy a alternative

Its needlessly falls between plane types

Its mostly foreign technology and parts

The list is endless

The onlyvthing keeping this project going us EGO

What they wanted was JF17 what they got however was LCA

 

[ziaulislam]

Let CAG audit your beloved jf-17 you will come to know what is Crap all abouthow gernal looted common people

Well even with below Asr lCA far superior to your beloved Jf-thunder.

well you had targets that CAG defined and they were missed.
the targets that were defined for thunder in 1995 and 2002 were never missed but exceeded.
it doesnt matter whether thunder is inferior to LCA or not. it is simply a fact that LCA failed because it missed its predefined targets.
May be LCA is superior to thunder may be not, but thats not the point

 

[Windjammer]

Yes it is indigenous. Full Chinese plane with Pakistani paint is a Pakistani plane than why not Tejas?.

You can flame bait to your hearts content but at least we don't gloat on our stuff being indigenous.

 

[kṣamā]

Pakistani posters here (Bar a few learned ) are BIGOTS of the first grade period. Just before you start hurling abuses at me, remember that these posters where up in arms mocking CAG, calling it paid news and what not when they released this: CAG blames Army for delay in Arjun tanks’ induction

But when they criticize LCA, CAG became an epitome of truth.

So, If you guys wanna criticize any Indian development (Which many consider their birth right) then you are free to do so. But if you are trying to vindicate your views by CAG then remember it also said Arjun is better than T-90. Also many members here are criticizing it just becoz they have to !! they have like a voice inside them telling "If it is out of India, then you will have to say something bad to it". Its ok to have an opinion (Like JF-17 is Junk Fighter of the 17th order) but quantify it with evidence (Like how JF-17 cannot drop and guide LDPs. Also the fact that it is a JV, not self developed. Plus very little composites. And a FBW a bit inferior to LCA). Also you guys did not do any research on (or a little research relative to what China initially did or what India did for LCA) JF-17. You just have the aircraft and the knowledge to maintain it, on a stretch, update it (But why are you guys "waiting" for BLK III from China ?? Why can't you produce them like your "Aatmi bums" ). Where as we are creating an environment for future to bank on.

As they said in a story, two men where given axe and asked to cut down a forest. The first man started hacking down the trees but other sat there and honed his axe. The second guy new the first would lead initially but when his axe is sharp enough he can cover ground at better rate. India took the second approach. Nothing is perfect with us, so the politicians craving for bribes drowned LCA, so technocrats with no to little knowledge about aviation took more time than intended, similarly the non existent infrastructure and industrial base also dinn help speed the project. Things are changing now, changing for good. We are getting our mistakes rectified and failures analysed.

But can we say the same for Pakistan ?? Did it have any failures ? Did it had any learning curve associated with JF-17 ?? I guess there will be but to what extent ?? Can it cash it's experiences and come out with it's own jet ?? May be it's own 4.5 or 5th gen jet ??

And I am sorry for calling you guys bigots, but I needed your attention. And anger can lure it to read the entire thing.

 

[cerberus]

the targets that were defined for thunder in 1995 and 2002 were never missed but exceeded.
it doesnt matter whether thunder is inferior to LCA or not. it is simply a fact that LCA failed because it missed its predefined targets.

Failed To Meet ASR thats why its upgrading it into MK2 thats the Legal route iF Jf-17 was Perfect why is there A need for only 50 of them and Upgrading it to Future Blocks

MoD is Planning to Acquire over 200 LCA in Future Because it has Scope to be Potential Support Aircraft of IAF with further Development

50% of Rafale deal value will be invested in India: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar - The Economic Times

 

[ziaulislam]

Failed To Meet ASR thats why its upgrading it into MK2 thats the Legal route iF Jf-17 was Perfect why is there A need for only 50 of them and Upgrading it to Future Blocks

MoD is Planning to Acquire over 200 LCA in Future Because it has Scope to be Potential Support Aircraft of IAF with further Development

50% of Rafale deal value will be invested in India: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar - The Economic Times

no need to bring in thunder..point is CAG report is regarding the mark 1, mark 2 is still on paper/prototype , a report can only come when mark 2 is ready by december 2018.

so if you dont deny that mark 1 has the said problems than whats the fuss??

remember the report is about the past not the about the future, LCA might still become one of the best fighters of IAF but till now i.e mark 1) its a failure per its requirements

 

[Dazzler]

Failed To Meet ASR thats why its upgrading it into MK2 thats the Legal route iF Jf-17 was Perfect why is there A need for only 50 of them and Upgrading it to Future Blocks

MoD is Planning to Acquire over 200 LCA in Future Because it has Scope to be Potential Support Aircraft of IAF with further Development

50% of Rafale deal value will be invested in India: Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar - The Economic Times

that's the problem when you know half about something and shout it loud to the word only to get embarrassed later. JFT was from the initial phase designed in blocks of 50, with incremental improvements to incorporated as the technology is improved/ mature. you DONT know what technologies were Incorporated into it bar the ones you know courtesy the mighty internet.

Even the first batch aircraft are being upgraded with blk 2 features, the first sensor that received such up gradation was the radar, the klj-v2 is already equipped on many blk 1 planes, so does the new EW system. While the datalink is being upgraded. The only time it had an issue with the sd-10 missile was back in 2010 and that too was sorted out by june 2011.

Now bring the LCA development route and compare the two. i mean, show me one example of an aircraft that is now in the mk.2 version beign promoted to the airforce i.e. the priamry customer when the mk.1 failed to impress them .This happens only in India and you guys are making a mockery of your own industry by putting fancy terms and mark designations to your "being developed" projects.

Here we have a project with 50+ major deficiencies and yet all hail tejas !

In essence, in your strive to impress the airforce with a brnd spanking MARK 2 TEJAS, you forget you are bringing a horrendous reputation to you brand, industry and eventually your country.

 

[kṣamā]

@Dazzler : I would Like an explanation about the negative ranking. for post #355

 

[HariPrasad]

no need to bring in thunder..point is CAG report is regarding the mark 1, mark 2 is still on paper/prototype , a report can only come when mark 2 is ready by december 2018.

so if you dont deny that mark 1 has the said problems than whats the fuss??

remember the report is about the past not the about the future, LCA might still become one of the best fighters of IAF but till now i.e mark 1) its a failure per its requirements

What are these Problems?

We could not complete Kaveri, We took some part of Radar from Other country, Some part of HUD sourced from Others. Now tell me whether any of above hinders the performance of Tejas? So before jumping from joy, read the content.

 

[Dazzler]

@Dazzler : I would Like an explanation about the negative ranking. for post #355

"Pakistani posters here (Bar a few learned ) are BIGOTS of the first grade period."

becareful next time, if you cannot defend something and inclined to much on abusement, tak an empty vessel and shout out loud in it. This is an open forum and has certain rules and restrictions, something most of you guys tend to forget often. Before quoting my post with another nonsensical reply, be advised i will recommend you for a ban

 

[kṣamā]

"Pakistani posters here (Bar a few learned ) are BIGOTS of the first grade period."

becareful next time, if you cannot defend something and inclined to much on abusement, tak an empty vessel and shout out loud in it. This is an open forum and has certain rules and restrictions, something most of you guys tend to forget often. Before quoting my post with another nonsensical reply, be advised i will recommend you for a ban

Well then you did not read this part :-

And I am sorry for calling you guys bigots, but I needed your attention. And anger can lure it to read the entire thing.

Also do you show the same enthusiasm when some Pakistani member says same about Indian posters or is it just applied to Indians ?

 

[Dazzler]

Well then you did not read this part :-

Also do you show the same enthusiasm when some Pakistani member says same about Indian posters or is it just applied to Indians ?

whoever breaks the rules, there is no partiality here unlike some other fora on the net these days

 

[Ultima Thule]

Yes it is indigenous. Full Chinese plane with Pakistani paint is a Pakistani plane than why not Tejas?.

in your wet dream, everything in your beloved crapy little LAST CHANCED AIRCRAFTS is foreign, its a scaledown version JAS-37 vigan without canard, its radar is israeli, engine is american, avionics from isaeli, french, russian and some indian, fly by wire technology is also develop and tested by american on F-16 VISTA in late 80s and early90s and you indian fanboys called your metal scrap junk named LEAST CAPABLE AIRCRAFT your INDIGENOUS junk