India's conventional military superiority over Pakistan is exaggerated.

[Hellfire]

And considering we have a heavily armed military and very powerful ISI to top that

Indian military and soldiers would be butchered something your military hierarchy knows well

You are clearly not a professional/service background. So, thanks for your input.

 

[Alpha Fighter]

Pakistan has a very powerful conventional military

Any misadventure by indians will lead to the mass slaughter of tens of thousands of their soldiers

Pakistan is a heavily armed state with a heavily armed population

The indian military know this hence apart from the odd lungi dance dont dare to attack Pakistan even after things like Mumbai and Pathankot which they pin on us

They know the consequences

we have seen in 71 and kargil, and Siachin, we tested your world no 1 commandos , Anything else?

 

[hussain0216]

You are clearly not a professional/service background. So, thanks for your input.

You dont need a service background to state the obvious

Conventional match ups can be stupid

The reason being it becomes a numbers game if you have 10 tanks and I have 11, then i win kind of thing

The reality is different

India is about 3 and a half times bigger in landmass and 6-7 times bigger in population for Pakistan to match it we would have a enormously oversized military

What you need is the destructive power to cause your enemy intolerable losses

Pakistan has this and india knows this
Look at the indo Pak border, look at the forces that have been built up and play out the scenario of how indian forces would proceed, it would be a slaughter house for indians if you on the offensive and us on the defensive



India has tried to follow the western model of utilising its financial resources to buy the high end equipment to give it a advantage, Raphaels, Apache etc

And that is indeed something Pakistan has to counter but plans are proceeding on both sides

we have seen in 71 and kargil, and Siachin, we tested your world no 1 commandos , Anything else?

You were terrible in Kargil, your forces ran away and Pakistan took all the territory it wanted,, it was only the political and world fall out that allowed you to save face afterwards by taking on a now unsupported force

71????? The civil war you got involved in where we fighting a civil uprising, we are worth 10 indians not supermen

 

[Hellfire]

You dont need a service background to state the obvious
Conventional match ups can be stupid
The reason being it becomes a numbers game if you have 10 tanks and I have 11, then i win kind of thing
The reality is different

Such absolute clarity! Have you thought of joining the armed forces young man?

What you need is the destructive power to cause your enemy intolerable losses

When you say this, how would you achieve it?

Look at the indo Pak border, look at the forces that have been built up and play out the scenario of how indian forces would proceed, it would be a slaughter house for indians if you on the offensive and us on the defensive

How so? Please explain.

You were terrible in Kargil, your forces ran away and Pakistan took all the territory it wanted,, it was only the political and world fall out that allowed you to save face afterwards by taking on a now unsupported force

71????? The civil war you got involved in where we fighting a civil uprising, we are worth 10 indians not supermen

@Joe Shearer Found out that Abu Zolfiqar indeed is a writer .. this gentleman is his product!!

Interesting inputs from him I must say ....

 

[Joe Shearer]

And considering we have a heavily armed military and very powerful ISI to top that

Indian military and soldiers would be butchered something your military hierarchy knows well

What has changed from the past, according to you? Will your ownership of nuclear devices mean that you will achieve higher results in conventional warfare? The logic escapes me.

Ok, Good, superb.

Now can Pakistan stop madness of shouting "nuke" at the drop of hat and do something constructive for humanity?

Save money and launch some satellites, improve medical services and perhaps impart quality education in schools?

Now stop joking. Those are not manly, martial things to do. There's a time and a place for everything.

The only thing that it would accomplish is mass slaughter of Pakistani civilians without Indian army being labelled a genocider, as according to GEneva convention: You could freely slaughter armed combatants.

You do not become soldier just by picking up a gun, and armed militias are regularly slaughtered by trained armies.

Never read a sillier post than yours. How do you expect them to know that armed militia are regularly slaughtered by trained armies, when (a) they don't get to see what happens to infiltrators into Kashmir; (b) their armed militia is largely built by their own trained army?

 

[Signalian]

Burning vehicles and tanks, thousands of dead bodies, many more thousand wounded and handicapped for life, millions of rounds of spent ammunition, hundred of villagers displaced from their villages, collateral damage of buildings, roads, bridges, cultivated fields, water works, telephone lines, power lines on both sides, schools/colleges closed especially the ones near borders. Soon the highest honoured medals will be announced for the fallen.After that the story of exchange of POW's will start.

Is it better to lose few thousand soldiers and then come back to same LOC positions again. The super powers of the world will urge to stop the war and bring both nations towards ceasefire. If Indians come close to achieving any success, Pakistan will resort to nukes. Most probably the war will end before nukes are used.

The heads of both states, the politicians will come smilingly towards each other, at a third country acting as host, will shake hands like good friends and give statements how war is bad for humanity but their respective forces were brave and sacrificed lives and protected their homeland.

China, Russia, France and even USA will get more orders of weapons from both countries. More tanks, more planes, more ships, more missiles, more UAV's, more technology.

The average civilian will chant and sing for the country. Youngsters on bikes and car holding flags. The whole atmosphere will be running high on emotions. TV channels will cast discussions, shows, interviews, songs for their armed forces.

The political parties in power at time of the war will amplify the success using the war as a tool to win the next elections.The businessmen will find the war a good opportunity to jump on new tenders given away by both armies for new procurement's. Investors will start sniffing for property as new lands and houses are released by governments for the heroes and benefit of families of the fallen. The government employees may prefer holidays due to blackouts and sirens and other threats but will receive full salary at the end of the month.

The surviving soldier on the other hand will stand guard at the same post on the border where he was standing guard a few weeks ago. He will have a new ribbon on his chest for taking part in this 20XX war and maybe a promotion. He will keep thinking how he advanced 10 or 100 km in enemy territory but how he was ordered to submit to ceasefire ignoring the pains and losses his regiment took to advance miles and miles into enemy land and just give it all up in a blink of an eye.

Yeah,Lets fight a conventional war.

 

[hussain0216]

Yeah, i've seen that when our Wrestlers and Boxers makes a mess out of you.

Go figure.

Any sport requires training, you dont train you dont win

Ive lived in enough places to see the obvious difference between people in Pakistan and india, in terms of looks, height, body mass and courage
Indians are generally gutless, your deluding yourself if you think otherwise

 

[Maj.Osmani]

You dont need a service background to state the obvious

Conventional match ups can be stupid

The reason being it becomes a numbers game if you have 10 tanks and I have 11, then i win kind of thing

The reality is different

India is about 3 and a half times bigger in landmass and 6-7 times bigger in population for Pakistan to match it we would have a enormously oversized military

What you need is the destructive power to cause your enemy intolerable losses

Pakistan has this and india knows this
Look at the indo Pak border, look at the forces that have been built up and play out the scenario of how indian forces would proceed, it would be a slaughter house for indians if you on the offensive and us on the defensive



India has tried to follow the western model of utilising its financial resources to buy the high end equipment to give it a advantage, Raphaels, Apache etc

And that is indeed something Pakistan has to counter but plans are proceeding on both sides



You were terrible in Kargil, your forces ran away and Pakistan took all the territory it wanted,, it was only the political and world fall out that allowed you to save face afterwards by taking on a now unsupported force

71????? The civil war you got involved in where we fighting a civil uprising, we are worth 10 indians not supermen

Since China refuse to put pressure on India during any conflicts with Pakistan, their forces can concentrate on Pakistani border only in that sense their conventional military superiority is believable / exists.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You dont need a service background to state the obvious

Conventional match ups can be stupid

The reason being it becomes a numbers game if you have 10 tanks and I have 11, then i win kind of thing

The reality is different

India is about 3 and a half times bigger in landmass and 6-7 times bigger in population for Pakistan to match it we would have a enormously oversized military

What you need is the destructive power to cause your enemy intolerable losses

Pakistan has this and india knows this
Look at the indo Pak border, look at the forces that have been built up and play out the scenario of how indian forces would proceed, it would be a slaughter house for indians if you on the offensive and us on the defensive



India has tried to follow the western model of utilising its financial resources to buy the high end equipment to give it a advantage, Raphaels, Apache etc

And that is indeed something Pakistan has to counter but plans are proceeding on both sides (1)



You were terrible in Kargil, your forces ran away and Pakistan took all the territory it wanted,, (2)


it was only the political and world fall out that allowed you to save face afterwards by taking on a now unsupported force (3)

71????? The civil war you got involved in where we fighting a civil uprising, we are worth 10 indians not supermen (4)

OK, so it boils down to this.

(1) Pakistan has to take counter-measures. What are they? You don't know, but there must be some, otherwise Pakistan would lose, and THAT could never happen, right?

Have you any specific information about why it would be a one-sided slaughter? Actually, there is reason to believe that there might well be a one-sided slaughter, but perhaps we are thinking of different sides.

(2) Are you sure you know anything about the topic being discussed? About the Kargil hostilities? Just to refresh our memory, when your soldiers occupied the mountain-tops, which Indians did they chase away? When?

(3) What support? Pakistan denied any involvement from the beginning, so it is mysterious that there is now supposed to have been support. What support was the Pakistan Army giving the infiltrators? Anything you want to remind us about?

(4) I have reason to believe that you are right. And there is good reason, therefore, to reduce your forces to 110,000 soldiers in the PA, in order to match the handful of soldiers in the whole Indian Army in a ratio of 10:1.

Such absolute clarity! Have you thought of joining the armed forces young man?




When you say this, how would you achieve it?




How so? Please explain.




@Joe Shearer Found out that Abu Zolfiqar indeed is a writer .. this gentleman is his product!!

Interesting inputs from him I must say ....

LOL.

Needs to be protected as carefully as any other rare species.

Yeah, i've seen that when our Wrestlers and Boxers makes a mess out of you.

Go figure.

What a nasty thing to say! Don't you know that the umpires and referees are thoroughly biased?

 

[Jamwal's]

Any sport requires training, you dont train you dont win

So now you the truth. Good.


P.S - I am a Dogra Rajput, i shall debate with you on Gutless part and our Martial History in some other Separate Thread. Let's not derail things here.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Any sport requires training, you dont train you dont win

Ive lived in enough places to see the obvious difference between people in Pakistan and india, in terms of looks, height, body mass and courage
Indians are generally gutless, your deluding yourself if you think otherwise

Oh no, you are absolutely correct.

And then these supermen lose.

Idiots. But at least they aren't self-deluding idiots.

 

[Jamwal's]

OK, so it boils down to this.

(1) Pakistan has to take counter-measures. What are they? You don't know, but there must be some, otherwise Pakistan would lose, and THAT could never happen, right?

Have you any specific information about why it would be a one-sided slaughter? Actually, there is reason to believe that there might well be a one-sided slaughter, but perhaps we are thinking of different sides.

(2) Are you sure you know anything about the topic being discussed? About the Kargil hostilities? Just to refresh our memory, when your soldiers occupied the mountain-tops, which Indians did they chase away? When?

(3) What support? Pakistan denied any involvement from the beginning, so it is mysterious that there is now supposed to have been support. What support was the Pakistan Army giving the infiltrators? Anything you want to remind us about?

(4) I have reason to believe that you are right. And there is good reason, therefore, to reduce your forces to 110,000 soldiers in the PA, in order to match the handful of soldiers in the whole Indian Army in a ratio of 10:1.



LOL.

Needs to be protected as carefully as any other rare species.




What a nasty thing to say! Don't you know that the umpires and referees are thoroughly biased?

Plz ignore that post, that was particularly related to 1 pak = 10 Indians theory.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Plz ignore that post, that was particularly related to 1 pak = 10 Indians theory.

I'm having great fun. Let him continue. Please. This is my sincere request.

My sincere thanks, @hellfire .

 

[ravi gupta]

The Pakistani Civilian will have support of Paksitan armed forces and maybe even let say one week of basic training.You have no idea of the Pakistani Population,the reason i told you this is not 71 when we didn't even had sticks to fight.

Our population will take care of india.

Y again you reiterating civilian population,you dont have any faith in your army to fight.
We indian are quite confident about armed forces they will take care of any aggressor.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Y again you reiterating civilian population,you dont have any faith in your army to fight.
We indian are quite confident about armed forces they will take care of any aggressor.

This is not fair. You are demoralising them.

If it gets back to THEIR armed forces that they have to fight alone, it might be terribly stressful. Have you thought of the evil consequences your loose talk might have? Do be careful.