India's absence a serious failure by: Greg Sheridan

[newdelhinsa]

makes no difference, the students will keep rushing in - no?

Sorry for my off topic rant since you did the same... lol.

Actually they should be thankful to students that their empty universities are now earning revenues. Indian students are not going there for free. People are going there because they can go there per immigration policy. Blaming it on applicants and expecting from them that they would refrain to go there because Australians will mistreat foreigners is again a faulty assessment.Either they should change the immigration policy or protect the investor during his stay.

If students are staying further there genuinely then again they are going through immigration process which welcomes them to qualify via points system. I can not see any favour they are doing to anyone but simply doing good business by earning good money at every single technicality/legality they offer or demand from applicant to fulfill.

Now the trend is changing, the numbers are declining and they are changing immigration policy every 3-6 month. They only need doctors, engineers et al now. Students are returning back after getting their diploma and degrees in good numbers.

Me and my wife both have quenched degrees from Australia and had left Australia soon after completion. My brother is going to finish his MPA and returning back in January. Why we selected Australia for studies (only our case) was because of sheer competition in India, to explore the new lands, ability to afford the education cost which is little costlier than getting it from good professional collegein India (without competing) and good acceptability of their qualification in India and other common wealth countries .

 

[INDTAM]

ya have fun with that

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who wants to live in that tiny island nation; the criminals came on the boat and eradicated the aboriginals

australias very creation is illegitimate. . .


South Asian countries have enough talent to make their own top renowned universities....we have them in our country, i know you have them in yours



we need to keep our talent inside

agree on the bold part.
hey Oz is a big Island

 

[Tshering22]

Well hopefully with that stupid Rudd gone, hope that common sense prevails and relations return back to normal. This is a give and take thing and it will hurt the Kangroos more than it will hurt us. Bashing a few unarmed, decent students is not courage; it is cowardice. Having the guts to stand on its own despite having no enemies is courage. Which is not there since Australia won't last a day without NATO's blessings despite having no enemies.

 

[xdrive]

I think our government should make a public statement that PM is not visiting Australia as a protest against the double standard that Australia is playing against India by not selling uranium to us. We should stop our relationship completely for a while with Australia. We should also stop any further investment in Australia or we should just say so as to threaten them.

This is not how the real world works. You can't threaten countries and if you try to no one will listen.

Theres no double standards in the non sale of uranium to India. The government is against selling uranium to India for a specific reason and it is a valid reason. We can pick and choose who we sell uranium too, if you don't want to work with us your government should go buy uranium from another country.

Obviously ignore Australia because they are the one having this discriminatory attitude towards.
We have nothing to lose but they will lose a big growing market.
Good luck with China

There is nothing "discriminatory" in the decision not to sell uranium to India. Please know what you are talking about before you speak.

instead of giving us moral lectures the australians should have just sold its uranium to us without being worried about what we do with it , they always see us as a third world nation and often tries to be the usa of the east , i can bet that the australians are not good at doing business ........

Unlike a lot of other countries, Australia has morals and values and we stick by them. If India is not prepared to help fight the Proliferation of nuclear weapons, then Australia is not prepared to sell uranium to India whether it is for nuclear weapons or peaceful power generation.

Money is irrelevant to us.

 

[xdrive]

You guys were talking about Uranium. Buying resources is business.

Well that part of the business (rather the discriminatory attitude towards India) is affecting the Bilateral relationship

You are missing Chinese-Dragons point completely. The decision to not sell uranium to India is not personal. You and a lot of other Indians in this thread are acting as if the decision was made because maybe Australia doesn't like Indian or something like that.

It's not true and theres nothing "discriminatory" based on the decision.

I think its time for India to sign NPT and CTBT.

I agree. Why is India refusing to sign the NPT? They obviously want to help spread nuclear weapons. If India didn't, they would have signed it by now.

Hell No .. not until it becomes less discrimnatory

There is nothing discriminatory in the NPT. Indians seem to use the word "discriminatory" a lot when it isn't relevant to make people go there way.

 

[xdrive]

ya have fun with that

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who wants to live in that tiny island nation; the criminals came on the boat and eradicated the aboriginals

australias very creation is illegitimate. . .


South Asian countries have enough talent to make their own top renowned universities....we have them in our country, i know you have them in yours



we need to keep our talent inside

If you are going to be insulting and post bu.llshit information.. Don't bother even logging onto the forums.

The hell with the Royal inbred savages!

The same goes for you too.

 

[janon]

You are missing Chinese-Dragons point completely. The decision to not sell uranium to India is not personal. You and a lot of other Indians in this thread are acting as if the decision was made because maybe Australia doesn't like Indian or something like that.

It's not true and theres nothing "discriminatory" based on the decision.



I agree. Why is India refusing to sign the NPT? They obviously want to help spread nuclear weapons. If India didn't, they would have signed it by now.



There is nothing discriminatory in the NPT. Indians seem to use the word "discriminatory" a lot when it isn't relevant to make people go there way.

You clearly don't know much about the NPT. Let me inform you on why it is discriminatory and why we do not want to sign it (and it has nothing to do with wanting to proliferate, as your genius mind thinks). The treaty states that the countries that had nuclear weapons prior to 1967 can continue to have them and continue to test them as much as they want, while countries which did not have it prior to 1967 cannot test or develop any in future. Can you find any ethical basis for that distinction? That is why it is discriminatory.

From your post it seems to me that you think that the NPT is all about not proliferating it to other countries. No, there is a lot more to it than that. If India signs the NPT that is equivalent to giving up its right to possess nuclear weapons. And unless the US, China, Russia, Britain and France also agree to do the same, the treaty is discriminatory. And India is in no position to give up nuclear weapons, being flanked on either side by two hostile nuclear weapon states, one of them with full rights under the NPT to possess nuclear weapons.

These are the same reasons Pakistan won't sign the NPT either. If you think that India is not signing a "non proliferation" treaty because it wants to "proliferate", I would say that your understanding of the treaty is solely based on understanding the name of the treeaty, and nothing more about it.

Before you comment on complex issues like international treaties, you should read more about them than just their names.

 

[janon]

This is not how the real world works. You can't threaten countries and if you try to no one will listen.

Theres no double standards in the non sale of uranium to India. The government is against selling uranium to India for a specific reason and it is a valid reason. We can pick and choose who we sell uranium too, if you don't want to work with us your government should go buy uranium from another country.



There is nothing "discriminatory" in the decision not to sell uranium to India. Please know what you are talking about before you speak.



Unlike a lot of other countries, Australia has morals and values and we stick by them. If India is not prepared to help fight the Proliferation of nuclear weapons, then Australia is not prepared to sell uranium to India whether it is for nuclear weapons or peaceful power generation.

Money is irrelevant to us.

You should know that India's record of non proliferation is clean, in fact more so than many countries that have signed the NPT. If Australia truly does have morals and values as you say, then Aus shuold be selling to India, not to China. Because our record speaks for itself.

 

[CardSharp]

Australia has the largest Uranium reserves on the planet.

By a very large margin.

So large it is not even funny ~as much as the 2nd largest, 3rd largest and 4th largest reserves combined... They have this huge Uranium deposite in western Australia that they haven't even touched.

I agree. Why is India refusing to sign the NPT? They obviously want to help spread nuclear weapons. If India didn't, they would have signed it by now.

Well for starters, they stole the plutonium for their first weapon from a donated Canadian reactor and insisted it wasn't a bomb. That's gotta break a few rules.

An uninvited guest has joined the nuclear club, and fingers are pointing at Canada. On May 18, 1974, India detonates a 12-kiloton nuclear explosive in the Rajasthan desert. It was built using plutonium from a research reactor donated by Canada in 1956. The explosion prompts fierce criticism of Canada's nuclear exports, and a wall of excuses from officials in both Canada and India. Canadian officials say they couldn't stop it. India denies it was even a bomb.

India's 'peaceful' bomb - CBC Archives

 

[xdrive]

You should know that India's record of non proliferation is clean, in fact more so than many countries that have signed the NPT. If Australia truly does have morals and values as you say, then Aus shuold be selling to India, not to China. Because our record speaks for itself.

If it's clean, the Indian government should sign it since they are so clean.

 

[Trucker]

If it's clean, the Indian government should sign it since they are so clean.

ok dont sell us,lets see who blink eyes first

 

[CardSharp]

ok dont sell us,lets see who blink eyes first

*blink*

India's nuclear future put on hold : Nature News

 

[Nalwa]

If it's clean, the Indian government should sign it since they are so clean.

Why should we? And the world is ok with us this way. I guess everybody except the Aussies realizes there's no point to India signing the NPT and they are ok with it. If you guys want to stick to your 'principles' and deny us your uranium at the cost of better economic and strategic relations, so be it! You are apprehensive of China's rise, just like the Yanks. You could have used this opportunity to form closer bonds with us and shore up the ocean defenses.

 

[Vibs]

Two things come out of this:
1) Australia is sticking it's ground morally (not that bad) to it's policy of no uranium sales to Non NPT, CTBT signatories. But given the fact that the whole world has decided that they can do so to reactors in India which will be under the purview of the IAEA makes Australia stand out like a stick in the mud.
2) Australian foreign policy makers seem to be out of touch with world power dynamic. This does not necessarily have to do with their engagement with India. Their failure to get significant relevance out of the Commonwealth meet or to be a dominant power player in the Asia Pacific region indicates a conservative approach to these things.

 

[Nalwa]

*blink*

India's nuclear future put on hold : Nature News

Did you even read this before posting? It doesn't even talk about proliferation but more on the lines of reactor safety norms.