Indian woman 'raped by two gangs on Christmas Eve'

[livingdead]

Or better still lock them inside their homes?? I am sorry to say but NGOs (not all) are also the ones who defend such animals as well in the name of human rights. They aren't humans and they don't deserve any rights. Such lowlife creeps should be stoned to death by the public and only that would be able to send a potent message across.

punishment should be according to severity of crime, human right activists defend people when govt goes overboard in dealing with people they think committing crime.
Stoning people to death for rape is barbaric, and we live in civilized world. In some cases victim might sympathize with criminal of she thinks the guy is going to die. Worst still, she might be killed after rape.

The issue is not severity of punishment but what percentage of people actually get punished.
More chance of punishment can work as bigger deterent.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I was shocked at the 1.8 figure the amount of time India and Rape show up on international news , I thought this figure was like 36% or something serious

But even 2 % in population size of 1 Billion is alot !!!

 

[livingdead]

I was shocked at the 1.8 figure the amount of time India and Rape show up on international news , I thought this figure was like 36% or something serious

But even 2 % in population size of 1 Billion is alot !!!

how many times have you read about rape in India before delhi incident...(2012)
The number of reported incidents are likely to spike this year and next, due to the fact that suddenly lot more cases are reported than earlier.
I think number of incidents are roughtly same.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I don't know in last 2-3 months have heard/read 10-20 articles on CNN about rape issue in India

I am still not sure why a sudden interest in Indian Local social issues on CNNs but just thought it was odd

 

[bolo]

Disgusting people.

 

[Aamna14]

punishment should be according to severity of crime, human right activists defend people when govt goes overboard in dealing with people they think committing crime.
Stoning people to death for rape is barbaric, and we live in civilized world. In some cases victim might sympathize with criminal of she thinks the guy is going to die. Worst still, she might be killed after rape.

The issue is not severity of punishment but what percentage of people actually get punished.
More chance of punishment can work as bigger deterent.

Yeah right thats as lame as claiming one can measure the amount of pain one has inflicted on another human being or compare it. I don't think stoning rapists is barbaric and trust me most victims and their families won't find it barbaric either, its usually those who don't suffer in the hands of such inhuman creeps that end up looking for reasons to protect such lowlifes.

 

[livingdead]

Yeah right thats as lame as claiming one can measure the amount of pain one has inflicted on another human being or compare it. I don't think stoning rapists is barbaric and trust me most victims and their families won't find it barbaric either, its usually those who don't suffer in the hands of such inhuman creeps that end up looking for reasons to protect such lowlifes.

it might be surprise to you, most women right organization in India are against capital punishment.
The reasons are what I gave above, they dont want every incident of rape to turn into rape and murder incident. Its a huge incentive for rapist to destroy evidence.
The girl will be under huge pressure emotionally to retract statement from perpetrator's family. Such case takes at least 3 to 4 years.
Courts take extraordinary care before giving death sentence(need watertight case), by making rape a crime with default punishment as death sentence will reduce already low rate of conviction.


Its only those reactionary people who jump up and down and think they can solve an issue with mere changing severity of punishment think capital punishment will magically reduce such crime. Its more to do with feeling good (or due to vengeance) than actually finding a way to reduce incidents.

 

[Aamna14]

it might be surprise to you, most women right organization in India are against capital punishment.
The reasons are what I gave above, they dont want every incident of rape to turn into rape and murder incident. Its a huge incentive for rapist to destroy evidence.
The girl will be under huge pressure emotionally to retract statement from perpetrator's family. Such case takes at least 3 to 4 years.
Courts take extraordinary care before giving death sentence(need watertight case), by making rape a crime with default punishment as death sentence will reduce already low rate of conviction.


Its only those reactionary people who jump up and down and think they can solve an issue with mere changing severity of punishment think they have solved the issue. Its more to do with feeling good (or due to vengeance) than actually finding a way to reduce incidents.

And you think that a rapist can only kill a victim if he knows he might be issued a death sentence?? And mister those reactionary people are ordinary people who know how damaging something as horrible as that can be, not to mention in our societies where such things result in a lot of cases where victims have to face the worse torture and humiliation from their own families. I won't even like to mention how it damages someone emotionally for life but our societies don't even let such victims even breathe. Look at the countries, while shedding your bias for a moment, which do take this matter seriously and do enforce serious punishments and you would clearly see that they are much better off than us, though most people would never acknowledge that.

 

[livingdead]

And you think that a rapist can only kill a victim if he knows he might be issued a death sentence?? And mister those reactionary people are ordinary people who know how damaging something as horrible as that can be, not to mention in our societies where such things result in a lot of cases where victims have to face the worse torture and humiliation from their own families. I won't even like to mention how it damages someone emotionally for life but our societies don't even let such victims even breathe. Look at the countries, while shedding your bias for a moment, which do take this matter seriously and do enforce serious punishments and you would clearly see that they are much better off than us, though most people would never acknowledge that.

rape statistics of countries are difficult to compare. Nordic countries have very high per capita rape incident, probably UK has higher than south asia.
But in reality, I think, Uk is way safer for women than south asia. Its because women feel safer, they register rape cases without much fear.
Another thing, as vast majority cases of rapes are committed by people you know, will there not be much more pressure on girl (by family, society) to retract the statement, especially if they know that a guy is going to die.

 

[Aamna14]

rape statistics of countries are difficult to compare. Nordic countries have very high per capita rape incident, probably UK has higher than south asia.
But in reality, I think, Uk is way safer for women than south asia. Its because women feel safer, they register rape cases without much fear.
Another thing, as vast majority cases of rapes are committed by people you know, will there not be much more pressure on girl (by family, society) to retract the statement, especially if they know that a guy is going to die.

I know but still even societal attitudes and mindsets vary from place to place. We just can't ignore the fact that stringent punishments do tend to send a very potent message across and we have seen that, minus South Asia obviously because there is no rule of law here. I hardly think people would tend to take such risks when they have so much to lose as their lives. I never said that no crime would ever take place that way but there would be a huge relief from the rape epidemic that we can't seem to get rid of.

 

[livingdead]

I know but still even societal attitudes and mindsets vary from place to place. We just can't ignore the fact that stringent punishments do tend to send a very potent message across and we have seen that, minus South Asia obviously because there is no rule of law here. I hardly think people would tend to take such risks when they have so much to lose as their lives. I never said that no crime would ever take place that way but there would be a huge relief from the rape epidemic that we can't seem to get rid of.

The fundamental issue is our law and order situation is bad. And that gives rise to many opportunistic crimes (including corruption) as most think they will never be punished.
In such an environment bringing capital punishment is going to make matter worse.
I agree you will get brilliant statistic. Suddenly number of rape incidents dropped, nothing in news. Miracles. Rape epidemic(?) dealth with, if something is not in news, obviously we are not much in danger.

Hidden to us though, we know what is going to happen.
Just because it works in xyz country does not mean it will work in our case. Just compare their police to our police.

 

[Aamna14]

The fundamental issue is our law and order situation is bad. And that gives rise to many opportunistic crimes (including corruption) as most think they will never be punished.
In such an environment bringing capital punishment is going to make matter worse.
I agree you will get brilliant statistic. Suddenly number of rape incidents dropped, nothing in news. Miracles. Rape epidemic(?) dealth with, if something is not in news, obviously we are not much in danger.

Hidden to us though, we know what is going to happen.
Just because it works in xyz country does not mean it will work in our case. Just compare their police to our police.

So you mean that if it works in some countries and the law isn't abused to the level you suggested and they could curb it to a considerable degree you don't see it happening elsewhere?? Why won't you even suggest trying it??

 

[livingdead]

So you mean that if it works in some countries and the law isn't abused to the level you suggested and they could curb it to a considerable degree you don't see it happening elsewhere?? Why won't you even suggest trying it??

can you tell me names of few countries that you are refering to? (low crimes against women and death punishment for rape). How is that country governed as a whole? How is the society there?

 

[Aamna14]

can you tell me names of few countries that you are refering to? (low crimes against women and death punishment for rape). How is that country governed as a whole? How is the society there?

Of course the society won't be exactly the same as ours, might be different on many levels, but we can at least suggest trying out such stringent punishments without outrightly rejecting them as they might work in the case of our respective societies as well, which i most definitely believe they would.

 

[livingdead]

Of course the society won't be exactly the same as ours, might be different on many levels, but we can at least suggest trying out such stringent punishments without outrightly rejecting them as they might work in the case of our respective societies as well, which i most definitely believe they would.

Well, I dont know, it might, but I dont belive in miracles, but in logical conclusion.
There is a reason why vast majority of countries do not have death penalty for rape. I know its a popular demand from ordinary people but most lawmakers who listen to social scientists understand the complex issue.
Some things in life looks so easy to solve, only it is not. You should read more on the topic.