Indian View about Wakhan Corridor and Border with Afghanistan - 2019

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

I hope Ramadan is going well for you as well bro...

This is what I am trying to show some members here, but it takes a-lot of vision to see it... Pakistan can make leeways into Afghanistan, but through patience and perseverance, Afghans will be willing to form a confederacy with Pakistan if they believe it is the best decision for them, which is possible within the next 30 years especially if CPEC is extended into Afghanistan. The pivotal role will be due to us sharing the same religious beliefs, but the economic benefits will be the icing on the cake to convince the ones who are after money and self interests.

In the next 30 years I see big changes coming, especially one of a religious nature and I believe Pakistan will also go through this transition, and it will affect the Central Asian republics, as they over there have a desire for it, but the present regimes in charge have brutally cracked down on it.

Iran although not a friendly nation to us, is to me a model example of how we could be, but a Sunni version, they have nearly perfected their politking with their neighbors, enemies, and allies, if they had Nuclear weapons, they would be untouchable, and they have yet to invade a single nation. We too can have that, but I don't think it will be possible through invasions, unless the people of that nation desire it and at that point it would be an intervention. This is what I am asking members here to see, especially when a great example is right there in front of them (Iran).

When I visited madarris in Pakistan in the 90s and early 2000s, I had the fortune of meeting many Afghan brothers and discussing many things with them. They were always simple, honest, and hopeful for the future. They did not behave any differently than any Pakistani.

Religion was always number one for them, and they always spoke about how Islam could solve all the problems for Pakistan and Afghanistan. Many desired a union of both countries, so we can take on India, Iran, and other enemies together.

Pakistanis have yet to realize that Islam is a sole answer for the current mess of corruption and decadence in which we find ourselves. Our political elite are godless vultures, they need to be done away with.

Islam can only come into force if it begins from the local level, just as it did in Afghanistan and Tribal areas of Pakistan. The Qazi and Jirga is key to this. Any genuine Islamic movement of any legitimacy rises from judicial needs of the people which are not being met.

Islamization of Pakistan must happen to rid Pakistan of the malaise, pessimism, and internal strife, only then can we join with Afghanistan, and expand our influence into Central Asia and beyond.

We are one people, there is not much different between us. The world needs us to take our rightful place and show exactly the proper system which Islam came to fulfill in the world.

Quaid e Azam Rahmat Allah alayh said no less than this.

Islam has been tarnished unfairly, let us show the world how it was meant to be. We must rise to the task, there is simply no one else.

 

[H. Dawary]

When I visited madarris in Pakistan in the 90s and early 2000s, I had the fortune of meeting many Afghan brothers and discussing many things with them. They were always simple, honest, and hopeful for the future. They did not behave any differently than any Pakistani.

Religion was always number one for them, and they always spoke about how Islam could solve all the problems for Pakistan and Afghanistan. Many desired a union of both countries, so we can take on India, Iran, and other enemies together.

Pakistanis have yet to realize that Islam is a sole answer for the current mess of corruption and decadence in which we find ourselves. Our political elite are godless vultures, they need to be done away with.

Islam can only come into force if it begins from the local level, just as it did in Afghanistan and Tribal areas of Pakistan. The Qazi and Jirga is key to this. Any genuine Islamic movement of any legitimacy rises from judicial needs of the people which are not being met.

Islamization of Pakistan must happen to rid Pakistan of the malaise, pessimism, and internal strife, only then can we join with Afghanistan, and expand our influence into Central Asia and beyond.

We are one people, there is not much different between us. The world needs us to take our rightful place and show exactly the proper system which Islam came to fulfill in the world.

Quaid e Azam Rahmat Allah alayh said no less than this.

Islam has been tarnished unfairly, let us show the world how it was meant to be. We must rise to the task, there is simply no one else.

Agreed bro... And it definitely has to from the grass-root, which I believe many Pakistanis are already living by.

Remember King Faisal (may Allah have mercy on him) imposed an oil embargo on US to punish them for arming Israel and invading Muslim lands, because of him Saudi Arabia was put on the map at the head of the Muslim world. He urged for a Pan-Islamic call and shut down Nassers Pan-Arabism which is now around recently. It took years for Saudi to undo what King Faisal did, but we have an opportunity to emulate that.

Iran has taken that opportunity, but with Shia-ism. Our influence can be greater, perhaps it can even extend into Saudi and Arab nations like Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt. These are the visions I have, but some members don't want to see that far ahead.

 

[HAIDER]

INDIAN POINT OF VIEW

Video Points

Although I and We all Pakistanis don't agree with his points but how Strategic Gilgit Baltistan is , you will find in this Video .

1 . Pakistan China borders meet through GB , so No CPEC without it .

2 . Wakhan Corridor was given to Afghanistan by UK through Durand Line Agreement .

( Not in Video : Force Command Nothern Areas needs to be converted into Corps level force with 3 Star head not 2 Star thats my point of view because after few years we may also see Skirmishes along LOC part of GB with IOJnK , they made it part of Ladakh )

That dude must be smoking some gaaaaaawd stuff ..

This is Wakhan .. an Indian won't survive there 24 hours .. a documentary



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[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Agreed bro... And it definitely has to from the grass-root, which I believe many Pakistanis are already living by.

Remember King Faisal (may Allah have mercy on him) imposed an oil embargo on US to punish them for arming Israel and invading Muslim lands, because of him Saudi Arabia was put on the map at the head of the Muslim world. He urged for a Pan-Islamic call and shut down Nassers Pan-Arabism which is now around recently. It took years for Saudi to undo what King Faisal did, but we have an opportunity to emulate that.

Iran has taken that opportunity, but with Shia-ism. Our influence can be greater, perhaps it can even extend into Saudi and Arab nations like Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt. These are the visions I have, but some members don't want to see that far ahead.

Ameen brother, may Allah swt bless King Faisal, what a legendary leader. The only Saudi leader with a backbone to stand up to the West.

Secular nationalism has failed the Muslim world. We see that forced Arabism has bankrupted and politically fractured the Arab world. Iranians and Afghans overthrew their dictators. Pakistan under Zia went through a full transformation to survive the Soviet onslaught.

Pakistan had been blessed with leaders of vision like Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan, Allama Iqbal, Quaid e Azam, Maulana Maududi, Maulana Shabbir Ahmad Usmani, Dr. Israr Ahmad, Muftis Rafi and Taqi Usmani RAA on them all.

The two nation theory of Quaid e Azam was radical because it divided the world again into Muslim and Non-Muslim. Pakistan was formed on that ideology. It was further elaborated by Maulana Maududi who viewed the difference between Islam and Kufr as light vs dark, fiqh vs secularism, pan-Islam vs ethnic supremacy. In this way, after 1971, Pakistan had to do some soul searching as to how BD became separate from Pakistan, even though both were Muslim. This is when Maulana Maududi's ideas took center stage.

You see, Pakistan was striving against the forces of kufr and jahaliyyat of India, but some Muslims were contend with compromising with kufr. The Two nation theory was born again. Devotion to Islam must be absolute, and loyalty towards Muslims (esp Kashmiris and Afghans) must be absolute.

After Soviet slaughter and butchering of Afghans begin, Pakistan entered in full force to help Afghan brothers and to shake off USSR threat to Islam. You see, Pakistan now owned itself as the Islamic vanguard and fortress of this region.

When US took interest at repeated Pakistani requests, finally we saw Mujahideen re-armed and able to deal the deathbed to the Soviets.

Then Afghan civil war started, Afghan civilians suffered due to competing claims of former Mujahideen commanders.

Taliban came from maddaris in Pakistan to establish law and order in Afghanistan and end the corrupt reign of warlords. Pakistan fully supported the imposition of peace. Pakistani sentiments even now are strong for Taliban and Afghans, esp Pukhtoons.

We cannot throw away our friendship and shared struggles of so many years based on momentary strained ties, and that too with the fast receding Kabulie city-state.

The future is bright.

 

[FuturePAF]

Well as soon as COVID-19 Pandemic is over. The USA would be back to the agenda of leaving Afghanistan.
Therefore, potential Balkinisation of Afghanistan is a real possibility. We know there would be grab for power without shadow of a doubt.
Ghani and likes would look at India to strengthen their hands.
So like you said, we should be ready to arm and help Pushtoon and destroy all Indian assets and helpers in Afghanistan. Make a move for Wakhan border as our priority.
We have to be offensive. Sitting on our backside is no help.
Indians need to be taught a lesson otherwise we would regret it.

actually trump wants to pull out of Afghanistan faster because of the coronavirus

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/...ll-troops-from-afghanistan-due-to-coronavirus

 

[Adam_Khan]

lol, okay, now i think we made a mistake in 1947, when pashtoon went in to kashmir. i think someone in a time machine should give mullah babra a memo to let the indians take the whole kashmir. cause pakistani cant even differentiate between friend and foe.

Asay dalta khalko sara jagary ma kawa,dalta neem na ziat khalak asay hawa ke dazay kai pa khabara na poyeygi.

 

[hamilcar of carthage]

Asay dalta khalko sara jagary ma kawa,dalta neem na ziat khalak asay hawa ke dazay kai pa khabara na poyeygi.

mara kamakal di sa gadawadae wayi, khabara dae teek da, time na zaya ko pae.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

Afghanistan won't be balkanised, there are Talibs, or more specifically many throughout Afghanistan who adhere to an Islamic mindset/ideology than ever before. Balkanisation can only happen if there are strong national/ideological disagreements, which was the case with Yugoslavia.

Invasions are not practical, it is better to extend your influence than it is to invade, like what Iran is doing. Their influence even extends to Yemen, Lebanon, Syria and even inside of Pakistan and Afghanistan, while it isn't the case in reverse.

This is what I foresee happening after Taliban coming back to power, making leeways into Central Asia, and even Pakistan, the same way Iran is doing at the moment.

But lets assume Pakistan does invade... what then? Pakistan can mobilise and capture Wakhan within 48 hours, but what after? Certainly the Taliban won't sit around, if anything they will start claiming KPK, and Pakistan will be sanctioned by the international community, perhaps even China. Keep in mind, Pakistan isn't Russia and do what it did in Crimea, and even in Crimea many considered themselves Russian.

If you read my post..i clearly said there is no point in invading wakhan in peacetimes..however in war anything can happen..if ghani/US wants indian army to patrol wakhan or have them use it as a front against Pakstan in Kashmir dispute, it can be a considered a declaration of war..Pakistan has to be ready for any eventualities..And there are multiple ways to respond, the foremost is ofcourse using the local people to resist such a thing, then ofcourse use its friends in Afghanistan ..and lastly invade if nothing works or maybe all three at the same time..so Pakistan has to prepare for all options.. Invasion dosnt necessarily mean one is conquering it..Similar to what Turk forces are doing in Syria at the moment. However i believe wakhan would be like a bait for any military that would sit there as it would be susceptible to attacks from the heights and anyone who enters it would think the pros an cons of doing so.. It can be a way to create further rifts between people of Afghanistan and Pakistan mal-intentionally and the bait thing can be used to get Paksitan make a wrong move in wakhan so Pakistan will not fall for this move unless absolutely neccessary. in warcraft anything is possible and every blueprint is made and is planned for.. im sure you folks would plan similar stuff for Pakistan. so i dont think you should be worried about it..btw if people of Afghanistan dont care about each other among themselves they wouldnt care whats happening in wakhan..thats a dangerous progression and thats what you should be worried about..sometimes the smokescreen of nationalism looks strong but turns out to be as fragile as mirror..

 

[TNT]

You raised valid point. China can be talked in to. Even if Pakistan takes Wakhan, their access is guaranteed by Pakistan.
When we say borders with Tajikistan, it doesn't mean only them, but whole of Central Asia. When Tajik see that, they would be willing, I am sure of it. Remember, when the malae starts in Afghanistan, Tajikistan would be in it. By approaching them, we can cut them off from Indian influence. We sat on our backsides and let this happen in the past. Tajikistan should be reminded that they siding with India is a terrible mistake.
If Balkinisation comes they gonna grab part of the Afghanistan anyway. So either you deal with them as friends or foe. We need to decide. There would be problem in Wakhan too.

You are right too but we cannot open that new front untill wo solve Kashmir. Kashmir is way more strategic and important to us. For the time being, it is secured as china has it under control.

 

[RealNapster]

think a better policy is a firing squad for you. because you all are either 12 years old or mentally not sound

So everyone that is a

1. 12 years old
Or
2. Mentally not sound

Should be killed by a firing squad ?????

Kuna ma wrko ghaly kena.. khpla khu sharmidle ye qaam ma sharmo.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

I hope Ramadan is going well for you as well bro...

This is what I am trying to show some members here, but it takes a-lot of vision to see it... Pakistan can make leeways into Afghanistan, but through patience and perseverance, Afghans will be willing to form a confederacy with Pakistan if they believe it is the best decision for them, which is possible within the next 30 years especially if CPEC is extended into Afghanistan. The pivotal role will be due to us sharing the same religious beliefs, but the economic benefits will be the icing on the cake to convince the ones who are after money and self interests.

In the next 30 years I see big changes coming, especially one of a religious nature and I believe Pakistan will also go through this transition, and it will affect the Central Asian republics, as they over there have a desire for it, but the present regimes in charge have brutally cracked down on it.

Iran although not a friendly nation to us, is to me a model example of how we could be, but a Sunni version, they have nearly perfected their politking with their neighbors, enemies, and allies, if they had Nuclear weapons, they would be untouchable, and they have yet to invade a single nation. We too can have that, but I don't think it will be possible through invasions, unless the people of that nation desire it and at that point it would be an intervention. This is what I am asking members here to see, especially when a great example is right there in front of them (Iran).

The problems are the nationalists, the Abu jahals and namrood within your own country who value their own "afghan blood" more than Islam, daal khors and the punjabi army are the derogatory terms they use, there is no emaan, muslim brotherhood and pan Islamism within their hearts, they would rather bow down to the idol worshippers than join hands with the believers, as long as this enemy exist there can never be a confederacy between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

[H. Dawary]

The problems are the nationalists, the Abu jahals and namrood within your own country who value their own "afghan blood" more than Islam, daal khors and the punjabi army are the derogatory terms they use, there is no emaan, muslim brotherhood and pan Islamism within their hearts, they would rather bow down to the idol worshippers than join hands with the believers, as long as this enemy exist there can never be a confederacy between Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Their days are over.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I am KPK resident, trust me, we will reduce you guys to mush if you even doing something that reckless. go rot in your british h2llhole, you british sl!ve.

What exactly are you so upset about? The suggestion by the poster that Pakistan should take control of the Wakhan corridor? Give him a rational counter-argument. This is a forum and people debate all kinds of ideas.

Secondly, don't speak on behalf of all Pakistani Pashtun and refrain from abuse and personal attacks.

oh god, please stop this isnt fun, but i would say this afghanistan and pakistan are both muslim states, you invade wahkan corridor and you will lose the only country bordering you that you can trust.

I'm sorry?

Did you actually state that Afghanistan is the 'only country Pakistan can trust'?

We're talking about the same Afghanistan that refused to accept Pakistan in 1947?

The same Afghanistan that has sheltered and instigated Baloch terrorists and insurgencies in FATA since 1947?

The same Afghanistan that refused to accept the internationally recognized Afghan-Pakistan border?

The same Afghanistan that elects governments that utilize their intelligence service (NDS) to support terrorists in Pakistan?

The same Afghanistan that elects governments that cannot get India's testicles out of their mouth?

FitpOsitive is now sensible, but when the taliban come, we dont need to. path finder is not in his right mind, tajik cant defend themselves, and you asking them to tak wakhan, i think a better policy is a firing squad for you. because you all are either 12 years old or mentally not sound.

This is a discussion forum - people will discuss all manner of things. Instead of insulting them and attacking them, maybe offer a rational, civil argument explaining why their proposal is not a good idea.

 

[Mr Happy]

You dont know sh!t about wakkhan..you think pasthuns live there?

A lot of people talk about things they do not know. When the evidence is presented to them, they still deny because of their ego and pride. One can never win an argument with a fool.

 

[hamilcar of carthage]

So everyone that is a

1. 12 years old
Or
2. Mentally not sound

Should be killed by a firing squad ?????

Kuna ma wrko ghaly kena.. khpla khu sharmidle ye qaam ma sharmo.[

What exactly are you so upset about? The suggestion by the poster that Pakistan should take control of the Wakhan corridor? Why exactly are you opposed to it?

Secondly, don't speak on behalf of all Pakistani Pashtun and refrain from abuse and personal attacks.


I'm sorry?

Did you actually state that Afghanistan is the 'only country Pakistan can trust'?

We're talking about the same Afghanistan that refused to accept Pakistan in 1947?

The same Afghanistan that has sheltered and instigated Baloch terrorists and insurgencies in FATA since 1947?

The same Afghanistan that refused to accept the internationally recognized Afghan-Pakistan border?

The same Afghanistan that elects governments that utilize their intelligence service (NDS) to support terrorists in Pakistan?

The same Afghanistan that elects governments that cannot get India's testicles out of their mouth?


This is a discussion forum - people will discuss all manner of things. Instead of insulting them and attacking them, maybe offer a rational, civil argument explaining why their proposal is not a good idea.

lets first point out the knowledge gap you have on history.
1. KP was a province of Afghanistan before Ranjit Singh occupied it when Pashtoon made him its caretaker, its the same thing as Pakistan asking for Kashmir.
2. Now Afghanistan is a war-torn country, easier to hide their, now if anyone is hiding them is NDS, tell me who controls NDS.
3. same reason as 1.
4. Who controls NDS?

and teach that other guy, who spits abuse? i was indirect, he is direct.

A lot of people talk about things they do not know. When the evidence is presented to them, they still deny because of their ego and pride. One can never win an argument with a fool.

I don't understand, you want a Muslim country to invade another Muslim country. I thought afghanis have pride in defending their homeland.