Indian Special Forces

[Koovie]

bro, we don't konw that is marcos or VBSS... every one says that this is marcos...

The the thing is that most arguments speak for the claim that they are not MARCOS but part of a VBSS team:

Pro VBSS:

- Armed personal on ships during a port visit (Rimpac) wearing the same uniforms, and MARCOS do not perform such tasks, its the duty of the crew

- The Indian Navy is on a massive modernization spree, after several significant projects it was the turn for the equipment of our VBSS teams.

- The Sagar Prahari Bal has almost the same equipment that we are talking about!

- Men wearing digi cam uniforms and armed with Tavors riding in boats which are also manned by men in the "older" black VBSS uniforms. Why should MARCOS do this? they are perfectly capable to do it alone.

- The same men have been exercising with Russian sailors, not commandos!

- The helmets which we are seeing in the pic with the Russians have been worn by VBSS members wearing the black uniforms, while the MARCOS were usually wearing helmets which also have camo pattern

Contra VBSS:

- VBSS members were seen using Sterling SMG`s until last year. - That does not make sense, as I said earlier, the IN is modernizing in every sphere and the Tavors are already in service with the MARCOS and the SPB. So it does not surprise that the IN chose to equip the VBSS teams with the same weapons and camo patterns.

- Tavors are too expensive for the GOI. - The GOI does not decide on such things, the Navy decides on it. Sure they are not cheap, but they deliver what the Navy wants. Furthermore, we are not talking about tens of thousand of men who need to be armed with them, VBSS teams are small in comparison to other units. And as said earlier, even small Police Departments are ordering Tavors these days.

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look like army special forces selection process....pics are form adgpi indian army facebook page

Could be regulars as well

 

[Varunastra]

bro, we don't konw that is marcos or VBSS... every one says that this is marcos...

look like army special forces selection process....pics are form adgpi indian army facebook page

fell sorry for the army whenever i see these wwii helmets

 

[Koovie]

fell sorry for the army whenever i see these wwii helmets

I think its an older pic.

Troops have started to receive newer helmets, although they are kinda outdated as well. You have to wait till F INSAS

Troopers engaged in J&K usually use Patkas anyways

 

[hkdas]

The the thing is that most arguments speak for the claim that they are not MARCOS but part of a VBSS team:

Pro VBSS:

- Armed personal on ships during a port visit (Rimpac) wearing the same uniforms, and MARCOS do not perform such tasks, its the duty of the crew

- The Indian Navy is on a massive modernization spree, after several significant projects it was the turn for the equipment of our VBSS teams.

- The Sagar Prahari Bal has almost the same equipment that we are talking about!

- Men wearing digi cam uniforms and armed with Tavors riding in boats which are also manned by men in the "older" black VBSS uniforms. Why should MARCOS do this? they are perfectly capable to do it alone.

- The same men have been exercising with Russian sailors, not commandos!

- The helmets which we are seeing in the pic with the Russians have been worn by VBSS members wearing the black uniforms, while the MARCOS were usually wearing helmets which also have camo pattern
Contra VBSS:

- VBSS members were seen using Sterling SMG`s until last year. - That does not make sense, as I said earlier, the IN is modernizing in every sphere and the Tavors are already in service with the MARCOS and the SPB. So it does not surprise that the IN chose to equip the VBSS teams with the same weapons and camo patterns.

- Tavors are too expensive for the GOI. - The GOI does not decide on such things, the Navy decides on it. Sure they are not cheap, but they deliver what the Navy wants. Furthermore, we are not talking about tens of thousand of men who need to be armed with them, VBSS teams are small in comparison to other units. And as said earlier, even small Police Departments are ordering Tavors these days.

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Could be regulars as well

as i say before.. only navy knows who they are.....
what about this helmet?? never saw VBSS having this kind
and also the ex marcos i know says this guys are marcos. shiv aroor(livefist defence) also says this is marcos. i don't think VBSS need UGL in their guns!!

 

[Koovie]

as i say before.. only navy knows who they are.....
what about this helmet?? never saw VBSS having this kind
and also the ex marcos i know says this guys are marcos. shiv aroor(livefist defence) also says this is marcos

What I meant was that the black helmets of those Indians posing with the Russians was seen on VBSS guys earlier.

 

[hkdas]

What I meant was that the black helmets of those Indians posing with the Russians was seen on VBSS guys earlier.

ya i know that... i was talking about the above pics.. you said he is also VBSS.... i don't think a VBSS team will need a UGL.

 

[Koovie]

ya i know that... i was talking about the above pics.. you said he is also VBSS.... i don't think a VBSS team will need a UGL.

Really? where did I say so?

If so, it was a mistake. He is part of the SPB not VBSS.

 

[Abingdonboy]

look like army special forces selection process....pics are form adgpi indian army facebook page

Not SF at all- could be engineers.

bro, we don't konw that is marcos or VBSS... every one says that this is marcos...

Who is this "everyone?"

bro, this is india not US. you know marcos had deployed for coastal patrolling and for other police work during obama's visit to india

That was a one off, Obama landed at the Mumbai naval base where the MARCOs are also deployed- in no way is this their regular duty nor are they deployed for coastal protection- what do you think the ICG and Marine Police are for?

the VBSS was created of the purpose for fight against piracy... the time when the piracy was at its peak the gov. didn't provide them a good weapon, so you think the gov. got a sudden attention on the VBSS???
and AFAIK in india only special forces use side arms...

VBSS is not a piracy only requirement. VBSS is a standard unit every modern warship will have and is much older than the recent Somali piracy troubles. Today the IN is still deployed in such duties so and regardless having a well trained and well equipped VBSS is a MUST. Your points about the Gov are entirely moot- do you think the GoI gives a sh!t about what small arms the military uses? The decisions for such things are made by the respective military wings - in this case the IN, and why wouldn't they okay a deal for Tavors? The cost would be negligible when seen in the context of the IN's annual Capital Expenditure budget and the IN is looking to modernise across the board that is in every facet and VBSS teams are important.

When you see CAPFs and state police forces running around with Tavors do you really think the Gov would object to the VBSS having them (not that they would even care)?

I'm sorry but your points are very very weak.

ya i know that... i was talking about the above pics.. you said he is also VBSS.... i don't think a VBSS team will need a UGL.

That guy is SPB- they are responsible for force protection of all IN assets including IN warships when in IN ports.

VBSS is for one very specific task (hint it's in the name) Visit, Board, Search, Seizure. They aren't responsible for force protection either (when at sea that would be the responsibility of the warship's security company).

I don't understand why this is so hard to swallow- we've seen IN VBSS teams with new kit (helmets, goggles, comns devices, knee/elbow pads etc) the only thing new here is the digicam and the Tavor which have become very common in the CAPFs themselves so why won't you believe the VBSS would get this also?

still few months ago they uses WW-2 weapons!!

Utterly irrelevant- a few years ago the BSF and other CAPFs were using the WW-2 Sterlings and now they have the X-95 (MTAR) along with their own Digicamos- do you not accept things can change?

 

[Abingdonboy]

u see the patch on the marcos is on right arm and VBSS have that on both arm,

That really doesn't mean a THING.

 

[NEPALESE GURKHA]

one question to my Indian friend is there a provision of different camouflage with different unit with in army?

 

[Varunastra]

I think its an older pic.

Troops have started to receive newer helmets, although they are kinda outdated as well. You have to wait till F INSAS

Troopers engaged in J&K usually use Patkas anyways

Is it actually true that patkas can stop ak rounds with ease ? why hasn't the whole army switched to using patkas ?

 

[hkdas]

Not SF at all- could be engineers.

may be... i said special forces because of the way they carry the inflatable boat... for carrying that boat there is no need for any stretchers. they can be carried like this

in special forces selection process the candidates are told to carry that boat after making some stretchers with some wooden sticks(something like you see in that pics) or without touching that boat this is to test how they think under stress.. i saw somthing like like this in US special forces training( in a documentary, in that US special forces candidates have to carry something else)...

That was a one off, Obama landed at the Mumbai naval base where the MARCOs are also deployed- in no way is this their regular duty nor are they deployed for coastal protection- what do you think the ICG and Marine Police are for?

marcos form kochi, mumbai and goa are deployed at mumbai for the protection of obama.. is that the job of marcos?? why should navy deploy them?? that job had to be done by some police force not special forces.

 

[hkdas]

VBSS is not a piracy only requirement. VBSS is a standard unit every modern warship will have and is much older than the recent Somali piracy troubles. Today the IN is still deployed in such duties so and regardless having a well trained and well equipped VBSS is a MUST. Your points about the Gov are entirely moot- do you think the GoI gives a sh!t about what small arms the military uses? The decisions for such things are made by the respective military wings - in this case the IN, and why wouldn't they okay a deal for Tavors? The cost would be negligible when seen in the context of the IN's annual Capital Expenditure budget and the IN is looking to modernise across the board that is in every facet and VBSS teams are important.

When you see CAPFs and state police forces running around with Tavors do you really think the Gov would object to the VBSS having them (not that they would even care)?

sorry mate looks like i mix up VBSS and SSB...
the decision to select the weapon is done by military but MoD and FM will decide buy that weapon or not... it is the problem faced by indian armed forces, this is the reason why our armed forces still uses outdated weapons...

Utterly irrelevant- a few years ago the BSF and other CAPFs were using the WW-2 Sterlings and now they have the X-95 (MTAR) along with their own Digicamos- do you not accept things can change?

they still uses WW-2 Sterlings.

 

[Koovie]

they still uses WW-2 Sterlings.

Not really, BSF has replaced them with Beretta made Mx4`s while the CRPF is replacing them with MP 5s and X 95s.

Regular CRPF members

 

[Abingdonboy]

may be... i said special forces because of the way they carry the inflatable boat... for carrying that boat there is no need for any stretchers. they can be carried like this

in special forces selection process the candidates are told to carry that boat after making some stretchers with some wooden sticks(something like you see in that pics) or without touching that boat this is to test how they think under stress.. i saw somthing like like this in US special forces training( in a documentary, in that US special forces candidates have to carry something else)...


marcos form kochi, mumbai and goa are deployed at mumbai for the protection of obama.. is that the job of marcos?? why should navy deploy them?? that job had to be done by some police force not special forces.

Just because this is how certain units in the US do something you think everyone has to follow suit? The men are engineers and NOT SF, this pic is nothing to do with SF selection.

marcos form kochi, mumbai and goa are deployed at mumbai for the protection of obama.. is that the job of marcos?? why should navy deploy them?? that job had to be done by some police force not special forces.

Where did you come to the understanding that MARCOs were deployed from Goa and Kochi for Obama's visit? The MARCOs were only from the Mumbai navy base (MARCOs West) which is one of 3 MARCOs bases (East,South and West). As MARINE ONE was landing at the Indian navy base it made sense for the MARCOs who were on the site to handle some perimeter protection tasks as the IN is responsible for security on their bases, it is highly irregular for civilian police forces to come onto their bases to carry out such tasks. You can't read much into this SOLITARY incident.

they still uses WW-2 Sterlings.

Wrong again: