Indian Semi-High Speed Railway Trail Run Successful

[kaku1]

Fastest train ‘Duronto' is slow off the blocks - The Hindu

Facepalm, where it says license manufacturing, read about it bro. BTW, ICF coaches too are developed by the Swiss. And your WAP 5 locomotive which pulling it developed by the ABB, Swizerland. But now there is no licensing, they are not selling military planes. Which has some critical tech., which cant be transferred or cannot be developed for fully indigenisation.
ICF Bogie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
LHB Coaches - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Indian locomotive class WAP-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[mehboobkz]

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When you see this:

The LHB rakes are being manufactured at the Rail Coach Factory (RCF) at Kapurtala with technology from Germany.

When you see above (colored) do you think its verbal only without any licence/paperwork agreement?

 

[kaku1]

Oye Moron!
When you see this:


When you see above (colored) do you think its verbal only without any licence/paperwork agreement?

Firstly I am going to report this for your personal attack. And secondly, you even know what the license productions means, an agreement doesnt means it going through license production, it require some clause. And manufacturing coaches is not a rocket science, that you need license production. BTW, even BEML manufacturing rolling stock for Delhi Metro and Jaipur Metro, that too not license production.

If you still cant understand, then god help you. And for more information bro, I suggest you to join IRFCA forum, there are real railway people, who will solve your query. Bye Bye.

 

[mehboobkz]

Firstly I am going to report this for your personal attack. And secondly, you even know what the license productions means, an agreement doesnt means it going through license production, it require some clause. And manufacturing coaches is not a rocket science, that you need license production. BTW, even BEML manufacturing rolling stock for Delhi Metro and Jaipur Metro, that too not license production.

If you still cant understand, then god help you. And for more information bro, I suggest you to join IRFCA forum, there are real railway people, who will solve your query. Bye Bye.

First of all, you start to ridicule posters with your wordings a la "facepalm" and then you play a victim-hood card.
Go and report me!
And then, you are talking foolishly about licence production modus operundi of which you seem to know shik! Cause you talk about clause!

These commercial contracts are private/government business contracts which are not published in details.
Do you have the licence production clauses of HAL and MIG after number of years?

Dont act stupid, try to learn.

As for the IRFCA, my nephew is a electronic/electric engineer working in Delhi, living in Bhopal, talking about IR.
He does not travel in a coach, he travels in a locomotive.

I have told him to shoot a video from there, time permitting it would be unleashed on the net. He is only worried about his job and does not want to be reported. As I have told him, it would be for Face Book/

And lastly you think IRFCA site would publish its license agreements with all the fine prints on their site?
Cretin is one who acts like one...

A license may be granted by a party ("licensor") to another party ("licensee") as an element of an agreement between those parties. A shorthand definition of a license is "an authorization (by the licensor) to use the licensed material (by the licensee)."

Looky looky here:

The contract includes not only the delivery of all design and manufacture documents and jigs and fixtures prepared and used by Alstom LHB for this contract but it also includes training of railway personnel in design and manufacture in the factories in Germany and Switzerland. During the manufacture of the coaches now under delivery by Alstom technical assistance will take place in the Rail Coach Factory at Kapurthala. The coaches will be later manufactured at Kapurthala and Integral Coach Factory at Chennai.

Development of further coach types by the Railways will also be part of this technical assistance.The Railways will have to pay about Rs 5 crore for one coach but after indigenisation the cost will substantially come down

You think that the above came without signing any licence agreement?
Lolum lol baba...

 

[kaku1]

First of all, you start to ridicule posters with your wordings a la "facepalm" and then you play a victim-hood card.
Go and report me!
And then, you are talking foolishly about licence production modus operundi of which you seem to know shik! Cause you talk about clause!

These commercial contracts are private/government business contracts which are not published in details.
Do you have the licence production clauses of HAL and MIG after number of years?

Dont act stupid, try to learn.

As for the IRFCA, my nephew is a electronic/electric engineer working in Delhi, living in Bhopal, talking about IR.
He does not travel in a coach, he travels in a locomotive.

I have told him to shoot a video from there, time permitting it would be unleashed on the net. He is only worried about his job and does not want to be reported. As I have told him, it would be for Face Book/

And lastly you think IRFCA site would publish its license agreements with all the fine prints on their site?
Cretin is one who acts like one...




Looky looky here:



You think that the above came without signing any licence agreement?
Lolum lol baba...

Again facepalm bro, but really rofl. Firstly I have to tell you some rules, dont ever abuse anybody, okey.

And secondly I want to know you know meaning of license production. Ok, I believe you even not, leave that. Give me a single proof where it says license production. And I again say I need proof of license production, not any other BS.

Definitely first 19 coaches are imported through Linke-Hofmann, and that bogies are even failed in trial run, and again it customized.

BTW, you arguing nonsensically, without even knowing meaning of license production.

 

[mehboobkz]

Again facepalm bro, but really rofl. Firstly I have to tell you some rules, dont ever abuse anybody, okey.

And secondly I want to know you know meaning of license production. Ok, I believe you even not, leave that. Give me a single proof where it says license production. And I again say I need proof of license production, not any other BS.

Definitely first 19 coaches are imported through Linke-Hofmann, and that bogies are even failed in trial run, and again it customized.

BTW, you arguing nonsensically, without even knowing meaning of license production.

Contractual agreement between two business entities in which the licensor permits the licensee to use a brand name, patent, or other proprietary right, in exchange for a fee or royalty. Licensing enables the licensor to profit from the skills, expansion capital, or other capacity of the licensee.

QED

Now STFU

 

[kaku1]

QED

Now STFU

OMG, you mixing an Contractual Agreement with License Production. BTW I can give you proof of license production of SUs


Su-30MKI Multirole Fighter Aircraft - Airforce Technology

ndia signed a MoU with Russia in October 2000, to start the license production of Su-30MKIs at HAL's plant.

Bro, if you dont know anything, then ask about it, dont start giving your BS.

BTW, i can tell you, take a example like HAL-Sukhoi, actually HAL is just assembling the whole SUs from its parts which it provided by Suukhoi, the HAL is not actual manufacturer or you say seller, he just doing assembly work in India for Sukhoi. The real seller is still sukhoi, and it taking a large amount of money for that.

And now come to IR, actually Coach Factory are real manufacturer here, Alstom is not the seller here, but Coach Factory is, if now some manufacturing problem in that coaches causes, then Alstom is not liable, its upto Coach Factory quality production.

Similarly, in WAP-5. if the accident causes because of this engine, then ABB is not liable, its upto CLW, to improve further there design.

In both case, both company already fulfilled there agreement, now its not there job. But in case of SU-30 MKI, Sukhoi is still liable, and its agreement still running, even the agreement will not fulfilled even after the production stops, because even some spare parts coming from Sukhoi.

Bro, there is lots difference in Contractual Agreement, ToT and license production.

 

[Rahul9090]

 

[mehboobkz]

As these coaches received good feedback and railways want to run faster trains, the ministry gave the green signal to manufacture more LHB coaches and sanctioned `130.24 crore to RCF and sanctioned a new plant at ICF in the 2011 Railway budget. A new coach factory planned at Rae Bareli will also make stainless steel coaches.

Coming soon: Trains of steel, speed - The Times of India


The government would not sanction funds without any agreement which involves licence to manufacture such item....
They have anew plant simply dedicated to these coaches to be made there.
This could not have happened without any agreement or licence involved.


Definition of 'Licensing Agreement'

This term refers to a written agreement entered into by the contractual owner of a property or activity giving permission to another to use that property or engage in an activity in relation to that property. The property involved in a licensing agreement can be real, personal or intellectual. Almost always, there will be some consideration exchanged between the licensor and the licensee.

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Indian 'semi-bullet train' sets new national speed record
AFP | Jul 3, 2014, 04.17 PM IST

NEW DELHI: An Indian passenger train set a new national speed record of 160 kilometres an hour (100 miles an hour) on Thursday during a test between the capital and Agra.

The introduction of high-speed links and bullet trains were one of the key poll campaign promises of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who won elections in May.

Thursday's test, part of the government's plans to upgrade the ageing rail network, saw the train complete the 200 kilometres between New Delhi and Agra in around 90 minutes. The top speed clocked at 10 kilometres more than the previous record.

"This is now the fastest train in India," Delhi divisional railway manager Anurag Sachan told AFP from inside the train. "We are recording all technical parameters during the trial run and hope to introduce it to the public by this November."

While fast by Indian standards, the train is some way from the Japanese "Shinkansen" admired by Modi which reach speeds of 320 kilometres an hour. The Indian media labelled it a "semi-high-speed train" or "semi-bullet".

The trial run of a high-speed train between New Delhi and Agra is flagged off at New Delhi railway station (AFP Photo)

India is set to roll out extensive plans to overhaul India's massive but loss-making network on Tuesday when the Modi government will present its first railway budget.

Observers say the railways have been neglected by successive governments over the past three decades of rapid economic growth during which car ownership has surged and low-cost airlines have mushroomed.

But it continues to be one of the main modes of long-distance travel for most of India's 1.2 billion people, while increased use of the tracks for freight could help ease road traffic congestion.

Similar high-speed rail corridors are being planned between New Delhi and the northeastern city of Chandigarh, and the national capital and the industrial town of Kanpur 500 kilometres away.

"The cost of upgrading tracks, signal systems and other related infrastructure isn't high on some of the corridors which already have other high speed trains," Sachan told AFP.

"We are confident of expanding it once this project is completed," he added.

Source:- Indian 'semi-bullet train' sets new national speed record - The Times of India

 

[kaku1]

@mehboobkz: let's agree to disagree. You not given me a single proof, you jus extending this topic. If you still think ABB and Alstom is still liable, without providing a single spare and equipment and govt. still giving them money, then I think govt. is fool, and if they dont getting any money, and still providing service, then I think Alstom is biggest fool.

BTW, bro you assuming many thing, which is never reported ever, and you trying to prove your point with a wrong source.

Read that, good article
ICF and LHB coaches | Train Stuff in India
Welcome to CLW Official Website !

Today, LHB coaches are manufactured by the Rail Coach Factory (Kapurthala) under a Transfer of Technology agreement.

There is no license production, its ToT. And now Alstom has now nothing to do with current coach production.

 

[mehboobkz]

@mehboobkz: let's agree to disagree. You not given me a single proof, you jus extending this topic. If you still think ABB and Alstom is still liable, without providing a single spare and equipment and govt. still giving them money, then I think govt. is fool, and if they dont getting any money, and still providing service, then I think Alstom is biggest fool.

BTW, bro you assuming many thing, which is never reported ever, and you trying to prove your point with a wrong source.

Read that, good article
ICF and LHB coaches | Train Stuff in India
Welcome to CLW Official Website !



There is no license production, its ToT. And now Alstom has now nothing to do with current coach production.

Your reply is a horse manure, for you do not know yourself what is involved within the deal, yet making a tall claim to know everything.

These two links have nothing that you and me are talking about...
I could have provided ten such..
In other words, you deny that there ever is a "licence" involved.
So is "agreement"
So is "production"
The fact is that all three segments are available in a contract wherein technology has been transferred for production of the same..
You might give it any other name, but its an agreement where licence is involved and so is the production.
The clauses are not known to me or you.
If you know of any such pertaining document, come forward, or STFO..
I have no time to go forward and backward for you..

 

[Vinayak Tiwari]

the wap5 along with wap7 and wag9 are the most abled engines in IR locomotives industry. But wag9 is only for freight trains though. But these locomotives can go upto 140 km/hr with 26 express coaches easily in lesser time than other locos.

Of course the later..
Oops its RCF, as I thought..



Logical..
Better be safe than sorry!

ICF were comfortable only for trains which notch 100-120. But LHB is the best when it comes to 150+. Thats why majority of rajdhani and shatabdi are running with LHBs.

Who said that under license?, actually IR planning to replace the all ICF coaches with LHB, these coaches are specially design for Indian environment, and is manufactured totally ingeniously, and all the new trains getting only LHB coaches.

The express trains would get upgraded to either hYBRID-LHB(Like Shalimar Express) or simple LHB(Like Poorva Express)

 

[cloud_9]

LHB coaches were designed by Linke-Hofmann-Busch for IR's and Tech Transfer (TOT) is different from License production.

 

[Manindra]

अच्छे दिनों के इंतज़ार में लोग कहीं पागल न हो जाएं इसलिए सबसे पहले आगरा के लिए हाई स्पीड ट्रेन शुरू की गई है।

I think not many people know actual meaning of your post.