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[PoKeMon]

Thank you for coming on a Pakistani forum and explaining to us your point of view. That is actually said with all due respect for being coherent and to the point.

This is an international forum with focus on pakistani content. It has been said by admins a lot of time, hard to grasp?

 

[PoKeMon]

Vote for Fenku !!

Dont vote for pappu unless you are family's "one in your picture".

 

[forcetrip]

This is an international forum with focus on pakistani content. It has been said by admins a lot of time, hard to grasp?

Yes, till the time they rename this International Defense Forum focusing on Pakistani content.

 

[mastaan]

Even if it is so, it's far far less dangerous than what's brewing in the name of Islamic fundamentalism and fanaticism. The war that the world is facing is due to religion - not due to socialism or nationalism, and the counter to that fanaticism will come from religious nationalism.

Two wrongs don't make one right, my friend. What is far less dangerous, will be the norm in few years... Talibs were started as a civil resistance - look at the shape they have got!

Let us fight Islamic fundamentalism or for that matter any other fundamentalism within India, with the Biggest, Nastiest, Thickest Stick we have. Make uniform civil code, reduce subsidies for Haj (which makes no sense anyways), make economic-class based reservations (instead of religious) and all that... ALL OF IT is WITHIN OUR constitution. Let's hit those jokers hard on the back of the strength of Indian constitution and keep India first. But, that has nothing to do with tolerating what ANYONE else does that is not in true spirit of our homogeneity... One country, one spirit, one law! That's all I seek!

you said what's in my mind..
Islamic fundamentalism is the biggest threat and today Hindu extremists are no where near them..but Hindu extremism is a bigger potential threat India could face only because of the sheer number of Hindus in India...I see it as what China and Pakistan is for India..

Islamic extremism is what Pakistan is for India..it's the biggest trouble maker and enemy of the nation..we had constant fights and a bloody history..

China is like Hindu fundamentalism..it's relatively peaceful..no big troubles..but if it ever becomes a threat it's too big for us to handle..it's the biggest potential enemy..

so no matter what Islamic fundamentalism can be defeated because India is largely Hindu..but if the now peaceful Hindu population is moulded into extremists then there is nothing which can stop it.

I couldn't have put it better than those words

 

[Sashan]

while development and all is fine and it is clear that no one markets himself better than modi and consequently, majority in cities/internet is tilting towards Modi (More so because of a corrupt and inefficient current govt and an increasing wave of nationalism, where we say it is OK to have a specific identity - hinduwadi etc)... However, go back to 1930s Germany and read the history... You will find a shocking similarity to what had happened - People were sick of low development, useless politics, and were developing a sense that it is OK to push for a single race identity! How that went is a well known fact.

My countrymen won't like it. But, we got to be careful with this guy! India is of Indians and NOT of Hindus or Muslims and my fear is, if we stop that homogenous trait of our country under him.

Edit: I don't think there is anyone taller or better administrator than him... But, still!

One mistake in 2002 and we treat him as a Hitler in the making. Forget about 1930s Germany. We saw another who played a significant part in the Sikh genocide rule India and nothing happened of that sorts(of what happened in Germany). He might come from a right wing Hindutva party but he knows that the main support base is with the youngsters and middleclass who are clamouring for a change - not the change in terms of religion but development. These people are sick of the promises, corruption, scams and psuedosecular/religious votebank politics. India is too diverse to take the path of Germany and India remains secular due to the people and not due to the constitution or the government. The moment Modi starts Hindutva politics the main support base will desert him and he will be isolated even within his party.

 

[rafiqali]

you said what's in my mind..
Islamic fundamentalism is the biggest threat and today Hindu extremists are no where near them..but Hindu extremism is a bigger potential threat India could face only because of the sheer number of Hindus in India...I see it as what China and Pakistan is for India..

Islamic extremism is what Pakistan is for India..it's the biggest trouble maker and enemy of the nation..we had constant fights and a bloody history..

China is like Hindu fundamentalism..it's relatively peaceful..no big troubles..but if it ever becomes a threat it's too big for us to handle..it's the biggest potential enemy..

so no matter what Islamic fundamentalism can be defeated because India is largely Hindu..but if the now peaceful Hindu population is moulded into extremists then there is nothing which can stop it.

Hinduism, unlike Islam and Christianity, is not an expansionist or proselytizing religion. You can only be a Hindu by birth, not by conversions. Then why is it that India or any other country should be at risk from increased Hindu awareness.

And please don't use deliberately mischievous words like Hindu extremism. A Hindu has no need to be an extremist in his own land.

It is very clear that you are either with deliberate malice intent, or with woeful ignorance, simply trying to transpose the pernicious characteristics of other religions to Hinduism so that it can be portrayed as an equal opportunity villain... shall we now talk of Buddhist extremism...or Taoist extremism too.

 

[illusion8]

you said what's in my mind..
Islamic fundamentalism is the biggest threat and today Hindu extremists are no where near them..but Hindu extremism is a bigger potential threat India could face only because of the sheer number of Hindus in India...I see it as what China and Pakistan is for India..

Islamic extremism is what Pakistan is for India..it's the biggest trouble maker and enemy of the nation..we had constant fights and a bloody history..

China is like Hindu fundamentalism..it's relatively peaceful..no big troubles..but if it ever becomes a threat it's too big for us to handle..it's the biggest potential enemy..

so no matter what Islamic fundamentalism can be defeated because India is largely Hindu..but if the now peaceful Hindu population is moulded into extremists then there is nothing which can stop it.

Hindu extremism rose because of the constant bombardment by extremism from Islam and the mortal fear of losing one's own ancient culture. Where was this so called hindu extremism for all those thousands of years prior to we being invaded by alien cultures and cults?

The moderate Hindu's far outnumber the few bands of over the top right wingers.

 

[PoKeMon]

Why?????????

Looking for some music to your ear and rest for your eyes

 

[Tshering22]

He has the vote of me, my immediate family and my distant family as well. It isn't going to be called GE-2014 but NaMo-2014.

 

[Tshering22]

indians find modi charismatic?

He's got substance mate.

ye fenku kon hai?

It is a term coined by under-achieving, corrupt and nepotic secoolars who have no work for themselves to show around while he highlights the development work that he has done. So they call him 'fenku' as in boastful.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Really don't want to give you a smart answer that I can... The Hindutva that some (well meaning) people define is NOT what our politicians infer that to be! and, yes, I know Ram rajya means peace for all... but, i promise you, VHPs and Bajrang dal kind of nut jobs will also want their shariah to be implemented...

We can have an endless debate on that topic, but I am not fighting it from 'if Hindutva is bad or good view'... I am simply saying, in a democracy, that we took together from Britishers, there is NO place for religion supremancy and you will acknowledge that these are two different things - Hindutwa and hindurashtra!

Absolutely correct. Hindutva and Hindurastra are different. In fact India won't survive a Hindurashtra. Because 'Who is a Hindu' would be a prime question and folks will turn up saying I am worshiping Shiva so I a better Hindu

Not smart.

Hindutva is ok.

 

[mastaan]

One mistake in 2002 and we treat him as a Hitler in the making. Forget about 1930s Germany. We saw another who played a significant part in the Sikh genocide rule India and nothing happened of that sorts(of what happened in Germany). He might come from a right wing Hindutva party but he knows that the main support base is with the youngsters and middleclass who are clamouring for a change - not the change in terms of religion but development. These people are sick of the promises, corruption, scams and psuedosecular/religious votebank politics. India is too diverse to take the path of Germany and India remains secular due to the people and not due to the constitution or the government. The moment Modi starts Hindutva politics the main support base will desert him and he will be isolated even within his party.

Agree and in way am I NOT supporting any other parties (that's what my edit also says)... 2002 doesn't count that much for me, simply because Riots are a part of our society and if we conveniently forget 10s of thousands of other riots, why remember specifically 2002?

On Sikh genocide... Go back to the emergency in 70s... Indira did put this country under stress and autocracy and you can not forget that (and yes, you are right that country punished her for that and eventually Sikhs also broke even with her)

My contention is only a contention, but I do have a right to concerns.. What i also miss is who else, if not him? There are a lot of jokers out there and i for one, do not support a moron like RG to run our country

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Two wrongs don't make one right, my friend. What is far less dangerous, will be the norm in few years... Talibs were started as a civil resistance - look at the shape they have got!

Let us fight Islamic fundamentalism or for that matter any other fundamentalism within India, with the Biggest, Nastiest, Thickest Stick we have. Make uniform civil code, reduce subsidies for Haj (which makes no sense anyways), make economic-class based reservations (instead of religious) and all that... ALL OF IT is WITHIN OUR constitution. Let's hit those jokers hard on the back of the strength of Indian constitution and keep India first. But, that has nothing to do with tolerating what ANYONE else does that is not in true spirit of our homogeneity... One country, one spirit, one law! That's all I seek!



I couldn't have put it better than those words

Damn these evil naughty Hindoos
Any Dharmic faith thrives on freedom. Once you define Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism etc etc like commandments, that will be the end of these faiths.

 

[Dillinger]

Damn these evil naughty Hindoos
Any Dharmic faith thrives on freedom. Once you define Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism etc etc like commandments, that will be the end of these faiths.

Mastaan has a point. If Hindutva is to be reduced to the shenanigans of the Bajrang Dal or Togadia then its doomed. All these upstarts are a blot on the likes of Deendayal Jee and Syama Prasad Jee.

 

[Zabaniyah]

He's a very able administrator. He has bought impressive business progress to Gujarat.

However impressive his accomplishment, his PR is even better, beyond (IMO) his actual accomplishments. His FB page, for example, was supposed to be run by a team of 10-15 people (not sure about the exact number) at a time when most other Indian politicians barely knew about the internet. His use of online social marketing to attract Indian youth could well be a classic case study.

He has captured the imagination of the Indian middle classes, the educated, the youth because everyone is frustrated by the current lot of national politicians. Huge corruption, social disorder, poverty, the arrogance of our leaders - India has reached a stage when these are not to be tolerated any more. So many of us have traveled abroad, or has relatives living abroad that we know that there has to be a better way.

Unfortunately there are few viable alternatives in Indian politics. National leaders are inane, incompetent, nepotist, spineless. The ones who are good are just not popular enough or have a realistic mass base (Kejriwal). So we have good leaders without mass support, and bad leaders who have a political base. Modi seems to be a 'good' leader with a mass base for many Indians, so he seems to be the best of a bad lot.

It seems like I have written a letter of support for Modi.

Let me tell you why I will not vote for him. For me he will always carry the taint of his religious/ fundamentalist past and this is a grave danger to India. Hardening attitudes of the middle classes is disastrous for any country - you only have to look at history.

I will also explain that I apply this to Muslim fundamentalism as well. 'Islam this, Islam that, Islam the other'. 'I'm a Muslim, I want special privileges, but hey when you're in a Muslim country you're not going to get any'. 'Yes Islam is the religion of peace, never that mind Muslims are on the rampage in many parts of the world'.

So I hasten to add that mine is not an 'anti-Hinduvta' attitude. If anything my dislike of Muslims fundamentalism is in fact even greater, and my contempt for Muslim politics in India is even deeper.

But in the end Modi represents a door I don't want my country to open. But it looks like we're going to open it soon enough.

Modi is a great orator as well. Not just a great administrator. He really knows how to inspire crowds.

That being said, on a downside; it was being said that being a CM and a prime minister of a vast and emerging nation like India are not the same.

He also appears to have very little knowledge and experience of global matters.

I remember how he got off a BBC interview in regards to his handling of the Gujarat riots. His get up said a lot of things about his character.

If I were Indian, I'd be careful about voting for him.