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[sancho]

New Indian trooper: Embraer can compete with Dassault and EADS

After selecting the Rafale for negotiations with India, the aircraft manufacturers seek a new contract for a billion dollars for the Indian Navy. The information is from the French newspaper Le Monde.

India should start in the coming months a competition for the acquisition of nine maritime patrol aircraft (MPA - Maritime patrol aircraft) average radius of action (600 km). It is estimated that the program will cost 50 billion rupees, or a billion dollars...

...Embraer, speaking to AFP, expressed interest. But he said that participation "will depend on final specifications of the competition." The company shall offer a version of its maritime surveillance ERJ 145 twin-engine jet, which already sold to 18 air forces around the world...

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[Yeti]

India to induct nuclear submarine in April first week
PTI | 08:03 PM,Mar 19,2012

New Delhi, Mar 19 (PTI) In a major boost to its underwater strike capabilities, India will induct its Russian-origin nuclear-powered submarine 'Nerpa' in the first week of April. 'Nerpa', which will be rechristened as 'INS Chakra', is scheduled to arrive at its home base of Visakhapatnam in the first week of April and is expected to be commissioned formally into the Indian Navy by Defence Minister A K Antony on April 5, Defence Ministry officials told PTI here today. The submarine will be on a ten-year lease under a deal expected to be worth over USD 920 million, they said. An Indian crew had set sail with the Akula II class vessel to India in the end of January. After the 'INS Chakra' joins the naval fleet, it would be for the first time in more than two decades that the Indian Navy would have a nuclear attack submarine. This will also propel India in the elite league of six nations operating nuclear submarines. India is also working on development of indigenous nuclear submarines of the 'Arihant' class. The first submarine 'INS Arihant' was launched for sea trials recently and is expected to start operational patrols by the end of this year. The Navy will have three submarines of this class by the end of this decade. India already possesses or is in the process of developing a family of nuclear-capable missiles including the Agni series, Prithvi variants, naval missile Dhanush, and submarine-launched Sagarika. Meanwhile, the Navy will commission 'Admiral Gorshkov' aircraft carrier on the Navy Day on December 4 this year in Russia. The aircraft carrier has been under retrofit for the last over five years at Russian facilities and is expected to reach Indian waters only in mid-2013.

 

[sudhir007]

 

[RPK]

Naval Training to Foreign Trainees
The Navy plans to open the Indian Naval Academy (INA), Ezhimala to trainees from friendly foreign countries. It is envisaged to commence training for foreign trainees once the requisite training and administrative infrastructure is in place.

This information was given by Minister of Defence Shri A.K. Antony in written reply to Shri Dr. P. Venugopal in Lok Sabha today.

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[sancho]

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Nice infos! So as expected, no heavy land attack capability, because it lacks Kh 59, Club S, or KAB 1500.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Any news on P17a design ??? When the work on these warships will start ??? Also can anybody post the design of Pipavav NOPV ??

 

[Banana]

From Another Forum:

Why Shivalik took 7 Years to Commission from Launch?

Well the Time was Worth it if the Person is to be Believed.

Guys,I am still recovering.
I have attended every commissioning in Mumbai since January 2001 (INS Mumbai) and I must say this is the most sophisticated and well-built ship that has ever flown the Indian Ensign.
Fabrication is top-notch;fit and finish are like a super cruiseliner.
Habitablity,work spaces,living spaces are generous.
You have to realise this was a concept;nopbody knew what will they end up with.And what has happened is beyond anyone's expectations.
The main gun had its first firign on its very first sortie!!
The whole ship is always under an NBCD envelope.It does not have to be 'activated'

Why is it a frigate?i think the IN classifies its ships by dimensions and in this case also by the fact that she is not as heavily equipped as the 15As.

It is the most nework centric ship that we have. She cane mbark a fleet staff and serve as a flagship if required. The bridge,machinery control etc are all built with multiple redundancies.
She has completed all pre-commissioning checks ,workups with ease. She is a frontline fighting unit as of yesterday ready to sail at 4 hours notice anywhere int he world.
She can stay out longer than any other ship we have . We are devloping our own prorietory datalinks for these ships.
The CO gave a hypothetical scenario where ships at different locations can transfer sensor data to the Shivalik and the ship can respond as required. They will plug in with the Phalcons too eventually.
The fiber-optics,the various software make it a class apart.
The CO ,Capt M D Suresh ,has previously been the commissioning XO of the INS Talwar.
This ship is more lethal and stealthier than that class of ships.
Also the crew complement of the 6200 tonne Shivalik is the same as that of the 4000 tonne Talwar.

They have an interesting logo which shows an open spiral superimposed on a diamond.The diamond signifies the RCS of the ship and the spiral signifies infinity which is also their motto of 'No limits'

This ship is the template for all other indigeneous programmes such as the P15B,P17 follow on,the P28 etc and that is why they spent more time validating and ensuring everything works pre-commissioning. She is the most complete ship that has been commissioned ie she doesnt have to do any major trials etc now.
She will test fire certain weapon systems now ,because there are certain things you can do only if you fly the flag of a country and not a dockyard.
Similarly,her helo phase workup will also commmence now.
The only pending work-up now is the FOST workup (Flag Officer Sea Training).This is going to be a demanding workup because here both the men and systems will be tested in various situations.
The startlingly young crew are rather looking forward to it.

 

[sudhir007]

Check the Modern Warship cost

Warship Costs « New Wars

 

[sancho]

Check the Modern Warship cost

Warship Costs « New Wars

Interesting comparison, if the numbers are reliable:

SUBMARINES

Scorpene SSK (Spain)-$825 million
Dolphin SSK (German/Israeli)-$635 million (U214 for Israel)
Type 212 SSK (Germany)-$525 million
Type 214 SSK (Germany)-$500 million


AMPHIBIOUS SHIPS

Canberra LHD (Australia)-$1.3 billion
San Antonio LHD (LPD)-$1.76 billion
Mistral (France)-$529.8 million
Juan Carlos (Spain)-$490 million

Confirms that the German sub is cheaper, although more capable, just like the difference between Mistral class LHD and San Antonio class LPD. It's interesting though that the Canberra LHD is nearly 3 time more expensive than the Juan Carlos class, which is the base version of the earlier, I guess that includes licence production costs.

 

[angeldemon_007]

^^^
So out of all the submarines India picked the one which is the most expensive one and it has managed to stay this expensive without an AIP.

As far as german sub cost is concerned, it depends from deal to deal. Its cost can go as low as 300 million$ if build at german shipyard. I just don't get how the hell we end up with Scorpene ??? Who chose a totally different platform ?? I mean why didn't we chose Type 214 when we already were using german sub ??? It would be the upgrade of 216 or we could have gone for Russian sub (i don't know whether Amur was offered during P75) and that might have even helped the idiots at MDL but we went all the way and chose totally new platform which turns out to be the most expensive one and without AIP (germans were offering AIP at that time also).

 

[sancho]

^^^
So out of all the submarines India picked the one which is the most expensive one and it has managed to stay this expensive without an AIP.

As far as german sub cost is concerned, it depends from deal to deal. Its cost can go as low as 300 million$ if build at german shipyard. I just don't get how the hell we end up with Scorpene ??? Who chose a totally different platform ?? I mean why didn't we chose Type 214 when we already were using german sub ??? It would be the upgrade of 216 or we could have gone for Russian sub (i don't know whether Amur was offered during P75) and that might have even helped the idiots at MDL but we went all the way and chose totally new platform which turns out to be the most expensive one and without AIP (germans were offering AIP at that time also).

Actually the Scorpene deal includes AIP, but since it wasn't fully integrated into the sub back then, the first 3 won't have it. Also, neither U212 nor Dolphin class are available for us, while the Russian subs were clearly inferior without AIP. So the only choices were Scorpene or U214 and the earlier is said to had the advantage of nuclear ToT, which we needed for our own nuclear sub.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Actually the Scorpene deal includes AIP, but since it wasn't fully integrated into the sub back then, the first 3 won't have it.

No it doesn't. AIP was offered later just to sweeten the P75I deal. DCNS will charge extra to put AIP in the first 6, actually alot more the submarines whose hull is already designed (but that everyone will do).

Also, neither U212 nor Dolphin class are available for us, while the Russian subs were clearly inferior without AIP.

U212 was only meant for Germans but its lot like U214. As far as Dolphin is considered, well it was the most expensive SSK at that time. It was specifically designed for Israelis but if India would have demanded them, we would have got as it was also an export design. Somehow Indian Scorpene got so expensive (we all know why). The source from which you quoted this price...4-5 months back Scorpene cost was 500 million$, this increased cost was because of the increased 1 billion$ cost in our P75 project.

In short Scorpene doesn't cost $825 million. This price is for Indian scorpenes which are so damn expensive because of the delays and various mismanagement of the whole damn project.

 

[sancho]

No it doesn't. AIP was offered later just to sweeten the P75I deal. DCNS will charge extra to put AIP in the first 6, actually alot more the submarines whose hull is already designed (but that everyone will do).

That's what I meant, but only for the last 2 subs, but IN still didn't made a decision about it:

December 7, 2010

...The navy is considering various options available with it to fit the last two of the six submarines under the project, codenamed P75, with the AIP including the proposal made by French defence company DCNS.

DCNS Chairman and CEO Patrick Boissier, who is part of French President Nicolas Sarkozy’s delegation to India, told reporters here that his firm has made an informal proposal to the navy in this regard.

“We have made an informal proposal to the navy for AIP technology in the last two of the Scorpenes that will be built at MDL. Now it is up to the navy to take a call on this proposal. We have held informal discussions in this regard,” Boissier said.

“The navy is considering the proposal and will take a call on it. We have some options, apart from the DCNS one, including an indigenous AIP system that is under development,” a navy officer, unwilling to be named, said here.

The Hindu : Sci-Tech / Technology : Navy to acquire AIP technology for Scorpenes

MARCH-2012

Have you got any interest from the Indian Navy on Mesma AIP? Is there still time to incorporate it in the last two subs?

In our We are providing IN with some information on integration of AIP on the last 2 submarines with the objective to preserve the present delivery schedules of these 2 submarines.

Our Experiences in Successful ToTs Gives Us an Edge in Understanding the Requirements for Fast Assimilation and Absorption of Complex ToTs

 

[Lambda]

So Kolkata Class will be Commissioned in September 2012.

Barak 8 will be Tested in the Coming Months Probably in the First Half of the Year. That's Why It is Delayed by 6 Months.

 

[jha]

India will purchase the MQ-4C BAMS drone aircraft

he Indian Navy will purchase six to eight Northrop Grumman MQ-4C BAMS (Broad Area Maritime Surveillance) for high-altitude reconnaissance. The aircraft is an upgrade of the Northrop Grumman heavy drone Global Hawk.

The project aims to keep a BAMS airborne all day for 365 days a year. These particular UAVs will allow India to patrol the Arabian Sea, the Indian Ocean and the Bay of Bengal joining the Boeing P-8A Poseidon fleet.

Delhi is improving its UAV fleet, having already two Israel-made Heron drone squadron.