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If a certain "Sen Gupta " is to be believed: P-75I has been shelved in favour of 4 additional Scorpene with Stirling AIP...
A good decision if true.. However performance of Stirling AIP with other systems is debatable...
 
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If a certain "Sen Gupta " is to be believed: P-75I has been shelved in favour of 4 additional Scorpene with Stirling AIP...
A good decision if true.. However performance of Stirling AIP with other systems is debatable...

The French don't use Stirling AIP, their system is called MESMA and that info can't be correct, because it would be contrary to what we recently heared from MoD, that Indian shipyards are not able to produce such advanced AIP subs alone. These additional Scorpenes would be build in India again, so if MoD wants subs build on foreign shipyards, P75I must be an additional order.
 
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The French don't use Stirling AIP, their system is called MESMA and that info can't be correct, because it would be contrary to what we recently heared from MoD, that Indian shipyards are not able to produce such advanced AIP subs alone. These additional Scorpenes would be build in India again, so if MoD wants subs build on foreign shipyards, P75I must be an additional order.

I am aware of that.

As per him the 4 additional Scorpenes and existing line of U-209 will be equipped with Stirling which will be bought from Germany..

The French don't use Stirling AIP, their system is called MESMA and that info can't be correct, because it would be contrary to what we recently heared from MoD, that Indian shipyards are not able to produce such advanced AIP subs alone. These additional Scorpenes would be build in India again, so if MoD wants subs build on foreign shipyards, P75I must be an additional order.

I am aware of that.

As per him the 4 additional Scorpenes and existing line of U-209 will be equipped with Stirling which will be bought from Germany..
 
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I am aware of that.

As per him the 4 additional Scorpenes and existing line of U-209 will be equipped with Stirling which will be bought from Germany..

That's a mix of wrong info from him, because HDW don't offer to integrate the Sterling propulsion into U209s, but the same fuel cell propulsion that they use in U212 and U214, for obvious commonality reasons. Not to mention that the French wouldn't allow to integrate a German propulsion into their subs, or the fact that the integration might take longer than buying and producing new U214. Doesn't make sense at all. :no:
 
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I am aware of that.

As per him the 4 additional Scorpenes and existing line of U-209 will be equipped with Stirling which will be bought from germany..

Why would we equip U209 with AIP
When all of them will be phased out by 2026
As you know , first 2 U209 will retire in 2017 and 2018 , being replaced by 4th and 5th Scorpene sub
last 2 subs which are currently undergoing MLU will retire in yr 2024,2026 , Now if Indian Navy is looking to fit AIP in these 2 Subs , then it would have announced since one of these Subs is already undergoing MLU and 2nd one will go in 2014
 
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I think he must be a little bit confused. Its possible that U-209 is being fitted with Sterling AIP. Stirling can be fitted on any sub as its a simpler system and considering Kockums relation with HDW, its possible.

Secondly, i think P75I might be offered to DCNS again and Mr.Sengupta must be confusing it as a follow-on order. DCNS already said they will help indian shipyard to make the new gen subs. IN and MOD can force DCNS to put Stirling AIP on Scorpenes if they wanna win P75I.
 
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Why would we equip U209 with AIP
When all of them will be phased out by 2026
As you know , first 2 U209 will retire in 2017 and 2018 , being replaced by 4th and 5th Scorpene sub
last 2 subs which are currently undergoing MLU will retire in yr 2024,2026 , Now if Indian Navy is looking to fit AIP in these 2 Subs , then it would have announced since one of these Subs is already undergoing MLU and 2nd one will go in 2014

I am not saying this..Prasun Sengupta is claiming this...
 
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Why would we equip U209 with AIP
When all of them will be phased out by 2026
I hope you understand 2026 is 14 years from now. Also don't you wanna improve the performance of our submaines when our neighbors have already started the use of AIP ??

I also agree with @jha, it could just be a normal fantaSY from our Fanboy, Sengupta ji...

I still remember, Mr. Sengupta still calls Nirbhay cruise missile as a UAV, a UAV that will follow the trajectory of a cruise missile (now whats the difference, what could be its purpose ?? :cheesy:)
 
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Indian Navy inducts nuclear submarine INS Chakra



The first operational nuclear attack submarine INS Chakra has been inducted into the Indian Navy in Visakhapatnam on Wednesday. Speaking on the occasion, Defence Minister AK Antony said that the INS Chakra will ensure security and sovereignty of the country.

Antony formally commissioned the Akula II class Nerpa rechristened INS Chakra into the Navy at the Ship Building Complex.

India has earlier leased and operated Charlie Class Russian nuclear submarine from 1988 for training its personnel on such submarines.

With INS Chakra and the indigenous INS Arihant expected to start operational patrols soon, India will soon have two nuclear submarines guarding its vast maritime boundaries.

The Nerpa has been taken on lease from Russia for ten years and would provide Navy the opportunity to train and operate such nuclear-powered vessels.


Indian Navy inducts nuclear submarine INS Chakra - India News - IBNLive
 
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INS Chakra Joins The Indian Navy

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Livefist: IN THE FLESH: INS Chakra Joins The Indian Navy
 
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INS Chakra: Top 10 must-know facts

With the induction of Nerpa, rechristened INS Chakra, into the Indian Navy on Wednesday, India is back in the elite club of nations having nuclear-powered submarines. Here are top 10 must-know facts about INS Chakra:

1) INS Chakra is a Russia-made, nuclear-propelled, hunter-killer submarine. Unlike conventional submarines that India operates which need to surface to charge its battery’s often – sometimes as frequently as 24 hours – INS Chakra can stay under as long as it wants. Its ability to stay underwater is restrained only by human endurance to stay underwater. Also, another problem that the submarine could face is acidity. This is because of a lack of exercise inside due to prolonged deployments.

2) The Akula Class submarine will carry conventional weapons. The vessel is armed with four 533mm torpedo tubes and four 650mm torpedo tubes. It will be used to hunt and kill enemy ships.

3) The INS Chakra displaces about 10,000 tons. It can do over 30 knots – more than twice the speed of conventional submarines. It can go upto a depth of 600 metres.

4) INS Chakra is one of the quietest nuclear submarines around, with noise levels next to zero.

5) It has about 80 crew members on board. The entire crew of INS Chakra has been trained in Russia for over a year. Facilities for the crew on board INS Chakra include a large recreation area, a gymnasium and a sauna as well.

6) INS Chakra has been taken on lease from Russia for 10 years and would provide the Navy the opportunity to train personnel and operate such nuclear-powered vessels. In 2004, India had signed a deal with Russia worth over $900 million for leasing the submarine. INS Chakra was expected to be inducted into Indian Navy a couple of years ago, but after an on-board accident in 2008, in which several Russian sailors died, the delivery schedule was changed.

7) INS Chakra formally joined the Indian Navy on Wednesday. It was commissioned by Defence Minister AK Antony at the Ship Building Complex in Visakhapatnam in Andhra Pradesh. “INS Chakra will ensure security and sovereignty of the country,” the minister has said. When asked if INS Chakra’s induction will lead to arms race in the region, Defence Minister AK Antony told reporters, “India does not believe in arms race. We are not a confrontationist nation. We are a peaceloving nation….but, at the same time, the armed forces will be strengthened to meet any challenge.”

The induction of the nuclear-powered submarine clearly indicates India’s intentions in the Indian Ocean Region and South East Asia which has recently seen increasing assertive Chinese presence in the last few months. It will also a send a strong reassuring message to south east Asian nations like Indonesia, Vietnam and Malaysia who want India to play a more active role in the region to counter the assertiveness of China in the area.

9) The induction of the INS Chakra is likely to be followed by the induction of the indigenous INS Arihant, which will be capable of launching nuclear weapons and therefore complete the nuclear triad. INS Arihant, it is understood, is now undergoing sea trails at Vizag.

10) The only other nations possessing nuclear-powered submarines are – US, Russia, UK, France and China. India is back in this elite club after over a decade. In 1988, the Indian Navy had leased a Charlie Class nuclear-powered submarine for three years till 1991. However, the expertise gathered then was lost as most officers who had trained to operate nuclear submarines have retired.

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