Indian Navy News & Discussions

[SR-91]

Now from 300km your brahmos become 700 km missile overnight.

Brahmos can travel 300 km when it's fully loaded with 300 kg of warhead. But when warhead weight is decreased, range increases. Brahmos kinectic energy is enough to take out a ship. who really needs a 300 kg warhead.

 

[Screambowl]

Your countrymen want to use Shuriya it is also very dangeorous that is why I posted that we have Shaheen-1 in similar capacity, but also there was a version of Shaheen tested which was not a ballistic missile and was built to take our Indian bases and other key installation with rapid speed and accuracy don't know what happened to that, may be PA don't want to show it any more due to some reasons.

well the shaheen is a different story, if you bring that then we have missile defence system. More over we have capability to launch missiles beneath the sea too. But it will be foolishness to use those missiles.

PN may want to keep uncertainty on availability of some systems like YJ-12, C-602 (400+ kms range), but it is rumored that PN now have missiles which supersedes Brahmos in range and they have them in numbers, an PN official told me that we don't have to worry about Brahmos because PN will not allow IN to come close enough to be able to launch them and they consider range of brahmos 700+km.

Rumors won't help buddy.

More over, how are you going to engage the INS vikram aditya with its CBG? If India deploys Its AC near gulf of Oman PN has to send half of its navy engage it and remove the blockade. Same time PN has to take care of incoming IN frigates at Karachi port.

Other threat is IN submarines which can launch missiles from beneath the sea platform. How are you suppose to engage it?

Its not like PN navy is the only navy which will launch C-602 and awacs and has anti submarines warfare technology.

one Kamrota class corvette will take care of any Pakistani submarine coming to threat the CBG.

No, you can't because 45 Migs are not enough for that big task.

45 is a big number, may be more than f-16 what you currently have in your southern command.

 

[Talha Mateen]

God dammit. Get a new friggin hobby Nishan. For gods sake.

Need Money. Pakistan has played a good role in WoT. EU should help Pakistan in every way too.

 

[ANPP]

Need Money. Pakistan has played a good role in WoT. EU should help Pakistan in every way too.

 

[Screambowl]

I was wondering if India has forgot to develop a helicopter carrier for anti submarine warfare. Because, submarines posses the biggest threat to any aircraft carrier. There should be a special vessel accommodating atleast 4 helis to maximize the range for anti sub warfare.
Anti-submarine warfare carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[danger007]

PAF will use ZDK-03 AWACS to track ships & air assets and IN CBG far from its coast will not be in good position to create a long distance effective defense zone, PAF already have 50+ JF-17s + Mirage-V with IFR capability which can be used for quick strike on CBG with super sonic & subsonic AShM remember that ARM version of YJ-12 is also available to PAF they can get it when required and it can hit targets from long distance so there goes your Agies class ships, PN & PAF many time in past have breached USN CBGs defenses undetected in exercise so how IN can think that they can handle PN so easily. PN already have plenty stock of missiles available as they know they will need them in good numbers, and its not necessary to sink a ship or ACC just enough damaging them that they are non operational during war will do the job.



Not easy as last line of defense of PN will eat your assets will try to come close, PN have potent firepower when it comes to block Op Phthon class ops of IN, I will love to see MRTP-33s hunting with Azmat class boats.

defence.pk/threads/damage-assesment-1971-indo-pak-naval-war.327619/page-4

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I was wondering if India has forgot to develop a helicopter carrier for anti submarine warfare. Because, submarines posses the biggest threat to any aircraft carrier. There should be a special vessel accommodating atleast 4 helis to maximize the range for anti sub warfare.
Anti-submarine warfare carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Helicopter Carriers are NOT critical to ASW capability.
ASW capability is organic to the IN's Surface Fleet; whether the Carriers or even the Destroyers, Frigates and Corvettes. Long ago, the IN incorporated this capability into its 'non-carrier' fleet going to the extent of designing its Frigates to carry and operate 2 Helos when many powerful Navies of the world were content with only just 1 Helo on their Surface Ships.

Then add to that a very potent and expanding airborne ASW capability in the form of LRMR/ASW aircraft. Even Multi-capability payloads on remote sensing Sats can contribute to ASW sensory capability. So the road-map to effective ASW already exists.

Going forward; the IN will certainly acquire and operate Helicopter Carriers which will have multi-role capabilities. But they are not yet on the top of the priority list.

 

[Screambowl]

Helicopter Carriers are NOT critical to ASW capability.
ASW capability is organic to the IN's Surface Fleet; whether the Carriers or even the Destroyers, Frigates and Corvettes. Long ago, the IN incorporated this capability into its 'non-carrier' fleet going to the extent of designing its Frigates to carry and operate 2 Helos when many powerful Navies of the world were content with only just 1 Helo on their Surface Ships.

Then add to that a very potent and expanding airborne ASW capability in the form of LRMR/ASW aircraft. Even Multi-capability payloads on remote sensing Sats can contribute to ASW sensory capability. So the road-map to effective ASW already exists.

Going forward; the IN will certainly acquire and operate Helicopter Carriers which will have multi-role capabilities. But they are not yet on the top of the priority list.

but in case of war, where China has 60 submarines and Pakistan has almost 7 don't you think it will be important to invest more on airborne ASW capability to increase the operating range so that enemy vessel is detected before it can act. Indian Ocean Region is vast and since India operates ACs, the direct threat to them is submarine.

 

[Basel]

Brahmos can travel 300 km when it's fully loaded with 300 kg of warhead. But when warhead weight is decreased, range increases. Brahmos kinectic energy is enough to take out a ship. who really needs a 300 kg warhead

Same can be done with C-602s & CM-400AKG to increase their range nothing new, & CM-400AKG can do the same what your Brahmos can do in terms of kinetic energy.

C-602 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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YJ-12 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

but in case of war, where China has 60 submarines and Pakistan has almost 7 don't you think it will be important to invest more on airborne ASW capability to increase the operating range so that enemy vessel is detected before it can act. Indian Ocean Region is vast and since India operates ACs, the direct threat to them is submarine.

dude we will have 12 P8i and have 8 Tu-142 plus india will iduct other ASW aircrafts ...
Tu-142's were specially developed to track nuclear subs

 

[Basel]

well the shaheen is a different story, if you bring that then we have missile defence system. More over we have capability to launch missiles beneath the sea too. But it will be foolishness to use those missiles.

No, Shaheen-1 has many variants and the first version was tested & developed to breach India's air defenses and hit very quickly with precision it was not a ballistic missile, but after babur PA never showed it. PN also have capability to launch missiles from submarines but they can't launch SLBMs.

@danger007 kindly stop bringing 71 as its 21st century and PN have evolve much more if you compare it with 71.

 

[Screambowl]

No, Shaheen-1 has many variants and the first version was tested & developed to breach India's air defenses and hit very quickly with precision it was not a ballistic missile, but after babur PA never showed it. PN also have capability to launch missiles from submarines but they can't launch SLBMs.

@danger007 kindly stop bringing 71 as its 21st century and PN have evolve much more if you compare it with 71.

To launch the missiles, which is exocet antiship missile SM39, the sub has to be surfaced and during that it can be detected easily.

 

[Basel]

Rumors won't help buddy.
More over, how are you going to engage the INS vikram aditya with its CBG? If India deploys Its AC near gulf of Oman PN has to send half of its navy engage it and remove the blockade. Same time PN has to take care of incoming IN frigates at Karachi port.

No, PN don't have to deploy all of its assets and they have plenty option to defend that part of coast as IN will be operating very far from their coast they will be the ones in stress & pressure, even coastal batteries, Z-9s, Sea Kings with AShM & sub hunting capability will be big threat to Ships & Subs and will be able to cover whole 370 km wide coast. If your ships come to block karachi then 1 or 2 subs (Augosta 70s with AShM) backed by Azmat & MRTP class boats, MPAs & Coastal Battries can be effective for sea denial them if PN don't want to bring their big surface combatants

Gulf of Oman - Google Maps

To launch the missiles, which is exocet antiship missile SM39, the sub has to be surfaced and during that it can be detected easily.

Its not that easy as you say buddy, ask a professional about it.

 

[Mr.S.Singh]

No, Shaheen-1 has many variants and the first version was tested & developed to breach India's air defenses and hit very quickly with precision it was not a ballistic missile, but after babur PA never showed it.

Apart from India's ABM,
Barak 8 land version will have high probability to hit Babur too, IAF n IA is also connecting Aerostat radars to detect terrain hugging cruise missile way before it reaches its designated target

 

[Basel]

Apart from India's ABM,
Barak 8 land version will have high probability to hit Babur too, IAF n IA is also connecting Aerostat radars to detect terrain hugging cruise missile way before it reaches its designated target

We also have Aerostat & TPS-77 to detect your Brahmos and engage them with ground based assets, and Babur will be flying around your radar ranges and I hope before using Babur Pakistan use YJ-12 ARM to take out enemy radar at long distances. Also PAF will use Ra'ad & CM-400AKG against fixed targets too.