Indian Muslims left behind in Gujarat's growth story

[Black Widow]

[HTML]Muslims are educationally deprived: despite 75% enrolment of Muslim children in primary school, only 26% reach matriculation — this against 79% enrolment of others, except SCs/ STs, 41% of whom make it to matriculate. [/HTML]

Its very good data for Muslim in Gujrat.. As per sachar committee Muslim of poor state are more illiterate, only one out of 10 (10%) make themselves Matriculate... don you see gujrat is in better position???

Though India has passed RTE (Right to education bill) Education is still primary responsibility of guardian not state... So if I am illiterate Its my father fault...

Many Indian Muslim study Madarsas' outdated syllabus.. They teach Basic algebra at graduation level. They don't learn English and Maths at Lower classes.. By reading religion one can't be succeed in modern world...

The first thing Govt shud do is Apply the CBSE syllabus in all madrasas,(But Mulla will not be ready for these...)

 

[harsh1488]

dont know why the muslim population want to lag behind as they have equal opportunities to grow throughout the country

 

[Black Widow]

dont know why the muslim population want to lag behind as they have equal opportunities to grow throughout the country

It happens when one try to run away from truth... when one try to run away from his responsibility... Its liek saying I am poor coz I am muslim... Its such a rubbish comment... sikhs, Jains, and Boudhs are lesser in number. They are real minority but they never complain... ....

 

[EjazR]

Many Indian Muslim study Madarsas' outdated syllabus.. They teach Basic algebra at graduation level. They don't learn English and Maths at Lower classes.. By reading religion one can't be succeed in modern world...

The first thing Govt shud do is Apply the CBSE syllabus in all madrasas,(But Mulla will not be ready for these...)

Just a correction there, As per the Sachar report and survey, less than 3% of Muslim kids attend Madrassas. And even here again it was because there is was no other option of schools available for students and given the opportunity the would'nt mind sending their kids to other schools.
So we not clear up this myth and inform others about "all/most muslim kids go to madrassas". Its simply is not true from govt. sponsored surveys that have been conducted time and again.

 

[Black Widow]

Just a correction there, As per the Sachar report and survey, less than 3% of Muslim kids attend Madrassas. And even here again it was because there is was no other option of schools available for students and given the opportunity the would'nt mind sending their kids to other schools.
So we not clear up this myth and inform others about "all/most muslim kids go to madrassas". Its simply is not true from govt. sponsored surveys that have been conducted time and again.

Thanks for clearing my doubts.. I appreciate your post... .. I hope we are on same note that if I don want to improve no one can help me.. isn't it...

 

[Bang Galore]

dont know why the muslim population want to lag behind as they have equal opportunities to grow throughout the country

Nobody wants to lag behind. It's just an unfortunate consequence of history & to some extent, ghettoisation complex within some parts of the community. Partition skewed the composition of muslims somewhat with the almost complete removal of an essential component, the middle class who chose to migrate to Pakistan. This unfortunately left behind a population which was unrepresentative when compared to an overall Hindu population. The reason other minority religious communities do not exhibit the same problem is because nothing similar happened with them. This feeling of being isolated is further reinforced with studies showing the muslim population doing poorly on a number of parameters without making allowance for the underlying socio-economic background. A feeling of victimisation ensues because of the lack of adequate explanation for the figures obtained which only tends to further isolate the community from the mainstream. It is always easier to believe in a conspiracy theory to blame for one's misfortune rather than do the hard work necessary to change the circumstances. I'm also disheartened by the apathy shown by other Indians towards setting this sorry circumstance right. Any talk of reservation for muslims becomes an open season for mad rants almost immediately. Those opposing have no better plans, just their standard explanations which border on the idiotic & bigoted. Something has to be done to improve the lot of muslims in India regardless of any historical reasons for their condition simply because we cannot allow a community this large( actually any community) to be left out of the promise of tomorrow's India. That promise must be open to all of India's children regardless of their backgrounds.

 

[ajtr]

Re: Indian Muslims left behind in Gujarat's growth story

This is true all over india.not even poor muslims but also well to do muslims are discriminated against.like those of shabana azmi,emran hashmi, Azahruddin,nadeem.

shabana and emran dont get houses in mumbai,Azhar says he was implicated in match fixing coz he is muslim.nadeem has no faith in indian judiciary hence living in exile in uk saying being muslim he wont get justice in india.M F Husain has to run away from india due to hindu terrorists threat.blasts done by saffron terrorists is blamed on muslims by creating phony names like Indian mujahideens.dawood ibrahim had to run away from india along with his family coz he was wrongly implicated in blasts and he like nadeem is sure wont get justice from hindu indian judiciary example of babari masjid case is in front of everybody that how hindu judiciary passes orders against muslims.

 

[LaBong]

This is true all over india.not even poor muslims but also well to do muslims are discriminated against.like those of shabana azmi,emran hashmi, Azahruddin,nadeem.

shabana and emran dont get houses in mumbai,Azhar says he was implicated in match fixing coz he is muslim.nadeem has no faith in indian judiciary hence living in exile in uk saying being muslim he wont get justice in india.M F Husain has to run away from india due to hindu terrorists threat.blasts done by saffron terrorists is blamed on muslims by creating phony names like Indian mujahideens.dawood ibrahim had to run away from india along with his family coz he was wrongly implicated in blasts and he like nadeem is sure wont get justice from hindu indian judiciary example of babari masjid case is in front of everybody that how hindu judiciary passes orders against muslims.

Seems a close friend of yours.

 

[jayron]

This is true all over india.not even poor muslims but also well to do muslims are discriminated against.like those of shabana azmi,emran hashmi, Azahruddin,nadeem.

shabana and emran dont get houses in mumbai,Azhar says he was implicated in match fixing coz he is muslim.nadeem has no faith in indian judiciary hence living in exile in uk saying being muslim he wont get justice in india.M F Husain has to run away from india due to hindu terrorists threat.blasts done by saffron terrorists is blamed on muslims by creating phony names like Indian mujahideens.dawood ibrahim had to run away from india along with his family coz he was wrongly implicated in blasts and he like nadeem is sure wont get justice from hindu indian judiciary example of babari masjid case is in front of everybody that how hindu judiciary passes orders against muslims.

What does Dawood Ibrahim do for a living? Why would any one support him?

Do you even realize that you are actually derailing a sensible thread with your redundant posts?

 

[KS]

dawood ibrahim had to run away from india along with his family coz he was wrongly implicated in blasts and he like nadeem is sure wont get justice from hindu indian judiciary

A true chameleon you are. Atleast be consistent in your stand in this forum and 'elsewhere'.

 

[LaBong]

What does Dawood Ibrahim do for a living? Why would any one support him?

Do you even realize that you are actually derailing a sensible thread with your redundant posts?

I'm strongly contemplating that he is militant hinduvta(sorry Karthic!) masquerading as whatever he is to derail every thread with his ludicrous posts void of any logic and reasoning!

 

[EjazR]

The survey mentioned here was conducted by NCAER which is an independent government body. What it highlights is the rich-poor divide mainly. The report among many other things highlighted that Gujarat has the problem of high hunger levels as well among its poor. The study itself has been accepted by the Gujarat govt. and hopefully we will see some concrete policies by the them to fix the anomalies. Its a fact that corporate/FDI driven economic growth does not always spread wealth equally so income disparity has to be looked into.

Its a learning process and nothing to be ashamed off. Govt. should learn from the survey and improve their governance.

Govt admits, Gujarat hunger development index equal to Zimbabwe, Tanzania, Haiti « GUJARATLIVE
In an unusual move, chief minister Narendra Modi’s water resources advisor BN Navalawala has compared Gujarat’s global hunger index (GHI) with that of Zimbabwe, Tanzania and Haiti. Raising alarm over Gujarat being one of the most hungry states, fifth from the bottom in a group of 17 major Indian states, Modi’s advisor, in a recent lecture he delivered at the Charotar Vidyamandir, Vallabh Vidyanagar, in Central Gujarat, underlines that developmental factors like quick urbanization and industrialization do not necessarily mean quality of life would improve.
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The Hindu : National : High income, yet high hunger levels in Gujarat
New Delhi: In a study done by Abusaleh Shariff, chief economist at the National Council for Applied Economic Research (NCAER), Gujarat surprisingly emerges as a State with high levels of hunger, while simultaneously boasting high per capita income and consistent income stability.

The hunger levels in Gujarat are higher than in Tamil Nadu and West Bengal, and surprisingly even higher than in Uttar Pradesh, according to the study, which is based on statistics compiled from a variety of sources: 61st round of the National Sample Survey; the Human Development Survey of the NCAER, deprivation data presented by the Sachar committee and the annual reports of the Reserve Bank of India.

There should be nothing wrong in accepting that some socio-economic groups like Muslims as well as SC/STs need an extra hand to bring them close to par with other communities.
Some swift steps that need to be taken in case of Muslims in Gujarat are rehabilitating the riot victims that have still not been done so in many cases and going through with the conviction of 2002 riots involved to put back in a sense of justice and security. Simultaneously, the Gujarat govt. should target underdeveloped localities for fast track development. Something in which Modi can show his acumen. I know that he had asked for development plans for Juhapura locality. Modi to visit Juhapura, draw devt plan - The Times of India

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And let me just compare the Gujarat situation with Pakistan as a whole. According to the NCAER survey done in 2005-2006 for
Muslims
Primary school enrollment rate - 75%
Matriculation - 26%

SC/ST are worse of than Gujarati Muslims but other socio-economic groups excluding Muslims/SC/ST have the following stats
Primary school enrollment rate - 79%
Matriculation - 41%


According to World Bank stats for Pakistan in 2006
Primary school enrollment rate - 52%
Matriculation - 19%

So from the stats at least related to education, you will find that Gujarati Muslims on average are doing better than Pakistani Muslims on average in terms of education. This is survey was taken AFTER the 2002 riots and all that went with the unfortunate event. And Pakistan's survey at that time in 2006 had not major terrorism issues or the blowback of the LalMasjid episode.


So I just find it ironic when some people bring this article up to compare Indian and Pakistani Muslims. Especially when they haven't checked their comparative stats for Pakistanis before hand.

 

[KS]

I'm strongly contemplating that he is militant hinduvta(sorry Karthic!) masquerading as whatever he is to derail every thread with his ludicrous posts void of any logic and reasoning!

You are insulting the Hindutva by associating with a retard/chameleon like this.

Atleast we are consistent in our stand (in this forum or other) and back it up with proof wherever applicable . Not just empty vomitting or playing to the gallery.

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On topic : Since it is acknowledged that education is the key to later development, steps like midday meals. bicycles, free books and if it is needed even reservation in schools must be extended to the poor and those at the bottom of the ladder to encourage shool enrollment and the reduce drop out rates.

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

This is true all over india.not even poor muslims but also well to do muslims are discriminated against.like those of shabana azmi,emran hashmi, Azahruddin,nadeem.

shabana and emran dont get houses in mumbai,Azhar says he was implicated in match fixing coz he is muslim.nadeem has no faith in indian judiciary hence living in exile in uk saying being muslim he wont get justice in india.M F Husain has to run away from india due to hindu terrorists threat.blasts done by saffron terrorists is blamed on muslims by creating phony names like Indian mujahideens.dawood ibrahim had to run away from india along with his family coz he was wrongly implicated in blasts and he like nadeem is sure wont get justice from hindu indian judiciary example of babari masjid case is in front of everybody that how hindu judiciary passes orders against muslims.

Here comes the Troll....!!

Yeah Muslims are discremenated in India..! That is why we allow yasir mallik to openly threaten main opposition party and that is why we allow geelani traitor to openly talk trash..! And that is why shahrukh khan is been kicked out of his multi million dollar home mannat?? that is why Indians Don't watch salam khans movies?? thats why we hate amir khan ? thats why saif ali khan don't have his own house? Thats why our ex-president was MUSLIM!And thats why our current vice president is muslim..?? And we discremenate with muslims that much that we don't even allow pakistani stars like rahat feteh ali khan,veena mallik,atif aslam, to come here and earn money and brag 2.4 coror rupee with just 8 stage shows(rahat feteh ali khan) ?? we don't have zahir khan in indian team ..neither irfan pathan,,,yusuf pathan...??? lol


How cruel we are.....!

 

[Developereo]

sikhs, Jains, and Boudhs are lesser in number. They are real minority but they never complain... ....

The situation with Muslims is not the same as other minorities.
Other minorities are not the target of historical resentment for having ruled over the majority Hindus.
Other religions were not at the center of the bitter and violent birth of modern India.
Other religions are not held hostage to the ongoing issue of Kashmir.
Other religions are not under a perpetual cloud of suspicion because of alleged divided loyalty with India's arch-rival.

As much as Indians here will try to gloss over the issue, the fact remains that other minorities do not face the same discrimination that is levelled against India's Muslims. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.