Indian Muslims are patriots: Union Home Minister Rajnath Singh

[jamahir]

Of course all of our religion is imported (Hindu, Budha, Islam, Christian)

yes, but...

1. i was talking about the other part of his statement which said that before hinduism your culture was of savages... your response??

2. if so, will you as indonesian import the culture that is present in india, replacing your adoption of later religions??

 

[The_Showstopper]

1. The Muslim Court chronicles are there. How can we write that off? It's historical record. Shameful, atrocious - but in stone. Errr... in papyrus.

2. You have to come down to the definition of the word - 'torment'. If forced conversion is not counted in, surely it was not bad. Most non Muslim Kannadigas hate Tipu, except in Srirangapatna - where I have noticed a mixed reception. Nobody considered him a hero among non Muslims, but many (not most) don't consider him very evil. But the rest of the state have choicest expletives for him. Even today. Comparing Tipu with historical non Muslim rulers is off the mark. Even his wars were fought as part of religious conquest, not a territorial one. The motive was different. Or rather same as that of ISIS today.

So if you want to count that in, then you should also count hindu court chronicles.... As simple as that

And speaking of your second point, Well if that is what you say then show me the links to prove that as I can prove otherwise...

 

[Indos]

And you think Lord Budha is a religion.

I believe Budha is a prophet. There is no words coming from Sidarta Gautama, saying he is a God. Budhism practice and old practice of Christianity are similar like Sufism in Islam. I do understand the practice logic. In Islam, achieving a spiritual level like Sidharta Gautama is not something that is so special that make the achiever even become like a God like. Many have reached those level. We are all a slave of ALLAH. No one above Him.

Ibnu Qayim words that tells exactly what Sufism is about

"The contemplative believer who remembers Allah will begin to enjoy solitude and places of seclusion where voices and movements are hushed… There he will find strength of heart and will, and he will no longer be worried or depressed… Then he will begin to taste the sweetness of worship, of which he cannot have enough. In it, he will find abundance of pleasure and comfort – more than what he used to find in diversion and play, or in the satisfaction of wordly desires…When he experiences this state, many of the wordly concerns will disappear, as he is in a completely different world from the rest of humanity."

(Ibnu Qayim)

 

[jamahir]

I don't care about Abdalis or Ghoris but Tipu did not torment his own populace but the enemy populace, Ask the Kannadigas, they will answer you....

Comparing Tipu with historical non Muslim rulers is off the mark. Even his wars were fought as part of religious conquest, not a territorial one. The motive was different. Or rather same as that of ISIS today.

i consider tipu sultan to be probably the best historical ruler of south asia... his ideas and thirst for knowledge were transnational and transcultural, and his visible ambitions greater than others.

only bigots will not consider his greatness.

why do these bigots not reason why are there no buddhist structures/historic-presences southward after andhra pradesh??

why do these bigots not speak of their cultural obscenities like jauhar and sati?? were these deaths any less valuable than of some fanatic maratha enemy of tipu??

tipu is great, greater than the mughals or ashoka or chandragupta.

 

[Lord ZeN]

I believe Budha is a prophet.

But you earlier said that Lord Budha is a religion.. And was merely pointing out that error.
Here's what you said

Of course all of our religion is imported (Hindu, Budha, Islam, Christian)

And i just felt weird when you said "Hindu, Budha & Christian" are all religions when it actually should have been Hinduism, Buddhism & Christianity. And hey .. i never meant my previous post as a serious one. lolz.

 

[Indos]

But you earlier said that Lord Budha is a religion.. And was merely pointing out that error.
Here's what you said

And i just felt weird when you said "Hindu, Budha & Christian" are all religions when it actually should have been Hinduism, Buddhism & Christianity. And hey .. i never meant my previous post as a serious one. lolz.

Sorry mate for definition mistake that I made.........(just feel busy posting at Indonesian Aerospace Thread at that time )

Ha,ha, in term of religion I need to be serious mate, because I have known the Truth, Thanks to ALLAH, and I want you guys get the blessed as well.

This one from Hinduism I know :

"He that does everything for Me, whose supreme object I am, who worships Me, being free from attachment and without hatred to any creature, this man, Arjuna!, comes to Me." Bhagavad Gita 11:55

yes, but...

1. i was talking about the other part of his statement which said that before hinduism your culture was of savages... your response??

2. if so, will you as indonesian import the culture that is present in india, replacing your adoption of later religions??

I dont care what he said mate.........not really important though for me that makes me have to spend some time responding the details only to prove something to just one person. But I think all religion is good in essence, teaching us about morality and the consequence of making bad thing (Karma I guest in Hinduism)

 

[SarthakGanguly]

So if you want to count that in, then you should also count hindu court chronicles.... As simple as that

And speaking of your second point, Well if that is what you say then show me the links to prove that as I can prove otherwise...

Yeah include all chronicles. That's what historians do. By such there are no comparison between Islamic conquest and inter state battles.

Prove what?

 

[jamahir]

But I think all religion is good in essence, teaching us about morality and the consequence of making bad thing (Karma I guest in Hinduism)

"karma"...

i do not believe in human-created mysticism so i do not believe that something called "karma" works in actuality.

how many parents in india were punished historically after they had killed their daughter/son in "honor killing"... no, the culture from which karma "philosophy" originates demands automatic respect to the parents, even if those very parents had yesterday killed their child for the sake of "family honor"... doesn't matter if the family profession is of powerless coolies or bank clerks... no, sir, these fools also have "honor" for the sake of which they will murder their own children.

how many banks in india have been banned because they had caused farmers to commit suicide??

how many school/college principals in india and school/college board members have been punished because their students had suicided because of constant exam marks pressure??

no, sir... nothing called "karma" exists... people must create scientific socialist societies which have practical ways of removing injustices and problems, and in fact ensure that problems do not occur in the first place... socialism is truly spiritual... religious ritualism and prayer ( mysticism ) is materialistic, fake.

i consider islam to be early socialism... i hope you will see it that way too.

 

[Indos]

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no, sir... nothing called "karma" exists... people must create scientific socialist societies which have practical ways of removing injustices and problems... socialism is truly spiritual... religious ritualism and prayer ( mysticism ) is materialistic, fake.

i consider islam to be early socialism... i hope you will see it that way too.

Socialism comes from religion. In the East it is Islam which try to apply it in full force, just look at Prophet Muhammad life, he never forget spending time (every morning) giving food to an old and blind Jews woman. And we can learn socialism also from the story of Umar Bin Khatab who carried food at his own solder to be brought into the poor ones, at time he has already become a Caliphate. In other case, Socialism in The West comes first from Christianity, all scholars know that,

Well I can be called as a socialist as well if you want to.........

Now talking about mysticism,

Mysticism is not a fake, if it is fake so can you grab and see your own soul....? You can't see it because soul is not a physical material. So we need to treat our soul in different way.

Our soul is not living in the material world, but other world, in which only a soul can step on it, not our body. Thats why I understand the principal of Borobudur Temple, there are layers in spiritual world. Sidharta Gautama has found that fact, so does Islam, particularly in Sufism, since Islam talking about this things is in implicit way, not explicitly. Why....? Because only those who has good knowledge (and being blessed and then helped by God) who can step on it, not every one should understand mysticism, particularly if they havent yet done something basic in Islam.

From my understanding. the ones that will be chosen by our God to undergo this path is the ones having good heart and caring the weak people. Just look at the personality of our Prophet and also like Sidharta Gautama one, quite similar I guest. The difference is that our prophet also has a duty to be a king and warrior to implement justice into the society.

 

[Hindustani78]

Nope. You have no understanding of Hinduism and trying to make Hinduism = Islam is a FAIL. Dharma Yudh is not Jihad. You do not have a concept of Dharma in Islam. Islam is about rules and norms. Dharma is open, contextual, about principle rather than rules.

Abrahamic and non-Abrahamic have no relation to each other, either in their theology or in their philosophies. In fact Dharmic traditions are not even strictly religions in the sense of Islam.

Rig vedas is the ancient religious scripture and from it we can see the similarities between religions. I am not trying to make Islam=Hinduism or Hinduism = Islam etc. Dharam Yudh is fought to uphold justice and Lord Krishna ask Arjuna to fight his own brethren which was no different with the struggle of early Muslims.

Civilization is made up of nations, tribes, clans, but it is more than just these. There are traditions, culture, nomenclature, myths, art, literature, buildings, cities, which go on to make a civilization.

People of any nation, tribe or clan if adopts any other religion then it doesnt means that they are not part of that civilization. India is ancient civilization which has absorb other traditions which has made India more advance.

20th March 2015
Hindu men take a break near a giant effigy called "ogoh-ogoh" representing evil spirits that need to be cleansed during a parade on the evening of the Day of Silence that marks Balinese Hindu's New Year in Jakarta, Indonesia.

No, Osiris does not have anything to do with Hinduism. They are a completely different civilization.

But its mentioned in ancient Indian scriptures about ancient Egyptian civilization, Isnt it ?

I do not think Indians will be Indians even if they adopt any religion. Pakistan came into being because some Indians adopted Islam. Likewise, almost all insurgencies and separatism in India is led by groups which have adopted alien religions. So you cannot claim Indians will remain Indians if they adopt a religion which is exactly the opposite of what Indian religions are all about.

Indians will be Indians even if they adopt any religion or no religion. Pakistan came into being not because of Islam and even that time Indian Muslims have rejected the partition. And regarding insurgent and separatists groups then they are funded by outside powers.

So will you say that these people are not Indians ?

Family time:Former President APJ Abdul Kalam with family members at his house in Rameswaram on Friday.— Photo: L. BALACHANDAR

Islamic separatism is a fact of life in almost every non-Islamic country they are in.

No, here even i disagree.

Absolutely not. Mesopotamians became Iraqis, Yahudis became Palestinians, Persians became Iranians, West Indians became Pakistanis, Egyptians, Arabs etc etc. Racially similar, but civilizational continuity will be lost. For ever.

Again the same thing, Civilization is made of nations, tribes and clans and native people of those lands can adopt any religion and be in thier ancestral lands.


Sculptor Sheik Rabbani and his team busy at work at Chaya Someshwara Swamy Temple, Panagal in Nalgonda district, Telangana, on Saturday. Photo: Singam Venkataramana
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[The_Showstopper]

Yeah include all chronicles. That's what historians do. By such there are no comparison between Islamic conquest and inter state battles.

Battles are battles, blood is shed in both the cases... How can there be no comparisons...?

Prove what?

Prove that Tipu Sultan wasn't hostile to his own kingdom's people and majority of Kannadigas do not hate him which is what you are trying to imply....

 

[jamahir]

But its mentioned in ancient Indian scriptures about ancient Egyptian civilization, Isnt it ?

what do they say??

 

[Hindustani78]

what do they say??

According to the Skandha Purana, Egypt (Africa) was known as Sancha-dvipa continent

 

[jamahir]

According to the Skandha Purana, Egypt (Africa) was known as Sancha-dvipa continent

how is it known that sancha-dvipa refers to egypt ( and africa )??

 

[Mike_Brando]

calm down bhakt go take ur daily gau mautra meds


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