Indian Muslims are out to prove their loyalty once again.

[PradoTLC]

Of course their loyalty is to their motherland. They are true Muslims. Real Muslims around the world don't consider Pakistanis to be true Muslims anyways. Almost all Muslim countries enjoy better relations with India than with Pakistan.

that is because they dont have you for a neighbor.

india's long list of follies

> terrorism in east Pakistan, sindh, baluchistan
> Shameless viotlation of the indus water treaty
> mass murder and rape in Kashmir

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

I like how we expect our minorities to really love Pakistan and hate Pakistan's enemies - but somehow when Indian Muslims show loyalty to India they become extra evil.

Kashmir is a separate issue all together, disputed and recognised by the UN.

They live in India, and must live with the realities that come with being there.

It is so strange that we compare our situation with theirs, we should be thankful for Pakistan. It's easy to mock when your family and friends aren't at risk of getting lynched for being a minority. They have to go the extra mile to show their loyalty because there are consequences for not doing so.

Even as Muslims in the tolerant west find themselves being asked to justify and publically condemn any and all actions of the enemies of the west. How much worst, imagine, it would be in India where Modi and his Hindu brand KKK rules the country?

Anyways, try to see things from the perspective of others.


May Allah make their lives easier.

...

 

[Nilgiri]

Did u miss a few???
Just a while back i wrote in another thread that my encounter with indians as an individual and as a group is totally different...
As an individual they will move to brotherhood, shanti, same people and sanity.. Etc.. in no time. But as a group they are like spewing filth against paksitan like they didnt say a word before hand. I actually took a few to task openly and as expected they were furious in front of their countrymen and later in private they were telling me to understand that the others dont have that approach towards pakistan as they dont know truth so i need to be careful ...
Hypocrites...
Now coming to indian muslims.. True patriots.. No ifs and buts about it. But they are subdued, oppressed and opportunistic ppl. But they are undoubtedly still patriotic indians. Many blame jinnah for dividing the ummah as that would have made muslims more stronger. They have a flawed history of partotion and i have given a few books from pakistani and international writers which was difficult for them to say the least.
Before u try to start ur mantra on muslim leaders, to muslim president and high ups.. Plz look at the indian statistics on percentage of muslims in india and their percentage in government institutions and education / literacy. There is a reason that after south indians muslims are in the majority indians in GCC. I can go on to tell stories of what they tell me about their lives in india but that would not serve the purpose of this discusison and would detail the topic in hand.
Indians, as a nation I like their business sense and approach to wards jobs and work ethics. But they are a victim to their media and their political parties.
Even before pulwama or before uri or even before mumbai.. One favorite topic of discussion in poitical gatherings/jalsa and on tv talk shows is Pakistan. U wont see that in pakistan. But indians are fed anti pak feelings on the same tune as south koreans and japanese are fed hate towards north korean regimen. They then carry that feeling forever. U can be friends with an indian (hindu/muslim) like brothers but the moment they sit amingst each other they will bash pakistanis and they will team up for each other which is the 2nd best to how tamils, keralities or other south indians rally or team up for each others. I guess amongst the few things out there, anti pakistan rhetoric unites the indians.

Just so you know I rarely respond to people who have fewer than 1000 posts in forum.

Fewer still to those I really do not know anything about...and talked nothing to before.

And even fewer for those that type in really hard to read format (long monobloc sentences with weirdest use of paragraphs).

Exceptions are earned, not given.

 

[Adonis]

so your forefathers left and run away from the dream for which we secrify.. our forefathers stay there and they fight for that dream. no disrespect but millions died for it and billions are ready to die for it..

With due respect..dreams are realised by Living not Dying.....that why, I guess prompted by forefather to leave.

 

[AsifIjaz]

For your kind info....
I am used to this attitude from indians as this is what they do when facts are put forward.. This aint the first time and wont be the last.

I but over the years have found you to be quite a reasonable person who is more brains than heart i.e. logic vs emotions.... Guess i was wrong.

Have a good day mate

Just so you know I rarely respond to people who have fewer than 1000 posts in forum.

Fewer still to those I really do not know anything about...and talked nothing to before.

And even fewer for those that type in really hard to read format (long monobloc sentences with weirdest use of paragraphs).

Exceptions are earned, not given.

 

[Jackdaws]

that is because they dont have you for a neighbor.

india's long list of follies

> terrorism in east Pakistan, sindh, baluchistan
> Shameless viotlation of the indus water treaty
> mass murder and rape in Kashmir

None of which is true.

 

[Cash GK]

With due respect..dreams are realised by Living not Dying.....that why, I guess prompted by forefather to leave.

no buddy then your definition is totally wrong.. millions moved to pakistan. at least they can eat beef easly. they become atomic power. they are developing jets. their woman are safe.. they don’t need to worry about anything. yeha nations do face problems but we are doing great now.. most of all we have pm Ik and they have cahi wala. most of all ask kashmiris and palestinians what is worth to have country

 

[PradoTLC]

None of which is true.

to a brain washed indian dipped in lies sure...


Kashmir 'mass rape' survivors fight for justice - BBC News - BBC.com

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41268906

Oct 7, 2017 - The people of Kunan and neighbouring Poshpora accuse the Indian army of carrying out a planned mass rape of the women in these two ..


How Indian forces turned a woman's wedding into carnage - Herald

https://herald.dawn.com/news/1398554

Jun 3, 2018 - Tucked into the hills of southern Kashmir's Anantnag district, ..... It is very courageous to take about her gang rape by the Indian Army.

.

to a brain washed indian dipped in lies sure...


Kashmir 'mass rape' survivors fight for justice - BBC News - BBC.com

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41268906

Oct 7, 2017 - The people of Kunan and neighbouring Poshpora accuse the Indian army of carrying out a planned mass rape of the women in these two ..


How Indian forces turned a woman's wedding into carnage - Herald

https://herald.dawn.com/news/1398554

Jun 3, 2018 - Tucked into the hills of southern Kashmir's Anantnag district, ..... It is very courageous to take about her gang rape by the Indian Army.

.

want more?

how about samjota express bombing???

 

[AsifIjaz]

Get ready for personal attacks bro. You are a prime target now. How dare you put forward facts to the misled.
Anyways gr8 going mate. Keep up the gud work

to a brain washed indian dipped in lies sure...


Kashmir 'mass rape' survivors fight for justice - BBC News - BBC.com

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41268906
View attachment 540545Oct 7, 2017 - The people of Kunan and neighbouring Poshpora accuse the Indian army of carrying out a planned mass rape of the women in these two ..


How Indian forces turned a woman's wedding into carnage - Herald

https://herald.dawn.com/news/1398554
View attachment 540546
Jun 3, 2018 - Tucked into the hills of southern Kashmir's Anantnag district, ..... It is very courageous to take about her gang rape by the Indian Army.

.


want more?

how about samjota express bombing???

 

[PradoTLC]

India's violation of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) would set a dangerous precedent for other countries


Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry said India's violation of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) would set a dangerous precedent for other countries to behave similarly, but remained hopeful that India would refrain from such actions.

"Contravention of the treaty or its unilateral abrogation by India will not only violate the IWT, but also set a precedent providing other countries a possible justification to undertake similar actions," Chaudhry said while speaking to Russian news agency Sputnik.

The IWT was signed in 1960 and allocated the three eastern rivers of the Indus basin — the Ravi, Beas and Sutlej — to India, while 80 per cent of the three western ones — the Indus, Jhelum and Chenab — were allotted to Pakistan.

It was reported earlier this week that India is stepping up efforts to maximise its use of the western rivers of the Indus basin, a move that involves building large storage facilities and canals.

ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD
India has maintained that it has not fully utilised its 20pc share of the Indus waters and that the proposed water projects would not be in violation of the treaty. Pakistan has disputed these claims.

Chaudhry said that issues such as extremism have damaged the relationship between India and Pakistan. He reiterated the need for both countries to hold bilateral talks focused on these important issues.

“Relations between Pakistan and India have not been very good and the reason is that Pakistan and India are not having any dialogue," he said.

He added that lack of such dialogue had allowed the relationship between the two countries to deteriorate.

"We also believe that it is for the [best for] our two counties to sit at the table and share each other's perspectives,” Chaudhry said.

However, he added that the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a group dominated by Russia and China, was not the correct platform to hold bilateral dialogue.

Pakistan and India's full membership to the powerful SCO was approved by its Council of Heads of State at its 15th Summit last year. In July, Pakistan signed the Memorandum of Obligations (MoO) with the objective of obtaining full membership of the organisation.

Chaudhry described the SCO as "a good forum to work for maintenance of regional peace, security and stability, economy and trade."

UN's role in Kashmir
Chaudhry said the role of the UN Monitoring Observer Group in India and Pakistan was critical to peace between Pakistan and India.

"The Group can also independently monitor ceasefire violations," Chaudhry said, alleging that India had violated the ceasefire agreement 310 times since September.

He said the international community, too, should play its role in ensuring that India respects its international obligations and commitments.

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Get ready for personal attacks bro. You are a prime target now. How dare you put forward facts to the misled.
Anyways gr8 going mate. Keep up the gud work

personal attacks??..


lol

they only can do personal attacks. Why do you think they have the reputation that they have?..

 

[HAIDER]

I thought burning flags were a thing of the past

Even fire refused to burn the flag... Pakistan forever...

 

[Psychic]

I thought burning flags were a thing of the past

House Negros.

There was the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes – they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good ’cause they ate his food — what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved their master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master’s house quicker than the master would.

The house Negro, if the master said, “We got a good house here,” the house Negro would say, “Yeah, we got a good house here.” Whenever the master said, “we,” he said “we.” That’s how you can tell a house Negro. If the master’s house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, “What’s the matter, boss, we sick?” We sick! He identified himself with his master more than his master identified with himself.

And if you came to the house Negro and said, “Let’s run away, let’s escape, let’s separate,” the house Negro would look at you and say, “Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?”

That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a “house nigger.” And that’s what we call him today, because we’ve still got some house niggers running around here.
-MALCOLM X

Muslims have forgot the spirit of Islam---Muhajireen who were from the Quresh tribe uniting with Aws and Kazarj in the name of one Allah and Islam against the Mushrikeen of Mecca who were their own blood relatives...Alas, the idol of "watan" is held in more esteem than the teachings of Islam, and in the name of watan, Muslims are willing to support a Mushrik power in committing atrocities against Kashmiris who refuse to be "House negros".
@Desert Fox @Hakikat ve Hikmet @MUSTAKSHAF @Areesh @Pakhtoon yum @Taimur Khurram

 

[Sine Nomine]

House Negros.

There was the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes – they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good ’cause they ate his food — what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved their master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master’s house quicker than the master would.

The house Negro, if the master said, “We got a good house here,” the house Negro would say, “Yeah, we got a good house here.” Whenever the master said, “we,” he said “we.” That’s how you can tell a house Negro. If the master’s house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, “What’s the matter, boss, we sick?” We sick! He identified himself with his master more than his master identified with himself.

And if you came to the house Negro and said, “Let’s run away, let’s escape, let’s separate,” the house Negro would look at you and say, “Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?”

That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a “house nigger.” And that’s what we call him today, because we’ve still got some house niggers running around here.
-MALCOLM X

Muslims have forgot the spirit of Islam---Muhajireen who were from the Quresh tribe uniting with Aws and Kazarj in the name of one Allah and Islam against the Mushrikeen of Mecca who were their own blood relatives...Alas, the idol of "watan" is held in more esteem than the teachings of Islam, and in the name of watan, Muslims are willing to support a Mushrik power in committing atrocities against Kashmiris who refuse to be "House negros".
@Desert Fox @Hakikat ve Hikmet @MUSTAKSHAF @Areesh @Pakhtoon yum

Don't look down upon them,they have to do it for safety of their kith and kin.

 

[Jackdaws]

to a brain washed indian dipped in lies sure...


Kashmir 'mass rape' survivors fight for justice - BBC News - BBC.com

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41268906
View attachment 540545Oct 7, 2017 - The people of Kunan and neighbouring Poshpora accuse the Indian army of carrying out a planned mass rape of the women in these two ..


How Indian forces turned a woman's wedding into carnage - Herald

https://herald.dawn.com/news/1398554
View attachment 540546
Jun 3, 2018 - Tucked into the hills of southern Kashmir's Anantnag district, ..... It is very courageous to take about her gang rape by the Indian Army.

.


want more?

how about samjota express bombing???

If crimes are committed, people should be prosecuted.

But a classic case of pot and kettle here

From Forbes -
Each time I go home to Bangladesh, a relative, usually male, takes me aside and whispers stories to me about the “piles, and piles of bodies of rape victims” you would find under bridges in mass graves. “How many women were raped and killed in the hands of Pakistani soldiers,” my uncle tells me as his voice whimpers. “You cannot imagine, Ma.”

But a Bangladeshi scholar wants us to do just that. In fact, as a country we all owe a great deal to Bina D’Costa who went and tracked down the Australian doctor, Geoffrey Davis, brought to Dhaka by the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) and the United Nations. Davis was tasked with performing late-term abortions, and facilitating large scale international adoption of the war babies born to Bangladeshi women.

D’Costa’s conversation with Dr. Davis was recently published in a Bangladeshi publication, and is worth reading in its entirety. The stories of women being tied to trees and gang raped, breasts hacked off, dumped in mass graves, being held in Pakistani rape camps are all detailed.

Read -
https://www.forbes.com/sites/worldviews/2012/05/21/1971-rapes-bangladesh-cannot-hide-history/
In your case it was the rule. In the case of India, it is the exception.

 

[AsifIjaz]

Thats what they do. They cherry pick posters specially the ones who speak out with reference or the ones who can be infuriated bcoz they are emotional about their country.

I live with them day in and day out. I have been to india a few times as well. Our shahdara would be like DHA lahore to the indian muslims in mumbai (or surjani town be like gulshan).

So when i say personal attacks rest assure bro that it will come.. If not today then later.. U r marked for eternity [emoji16][emoji16][emoji16]

India's violation of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) would set a dangerous precedent for other countries


Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry said India's violation of the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) would set a dangerous precedent for other countries to behave similarly, but remained hopeful that India would refrain from such actions.

"Contravention of the treaty or its unilateral abrogation by India will not only violate the IWT, but also set a precedent providing other countries a possible justification to undertake similar actions," Chaudhry said while speaking to Russian news agency Sputnik.

The IWT was signed in 1960 and allocated the three eastern rivers of the Indus basin — the Ravi, Beas and Sutlej — to India, while 80 per cent of the three western ones — the Indus, Jhelum and Chenab — were allotted to Pakistan.

It was reported earlier this week that India is stepping up efforts to maximise its use of the western rivers of the Indus basin, a move that involves building large storage facilities and canals.

ARTICLE CONTINUES AFTER AD
India has maintained that it has not fully utilised its 20pc share of the Indus waters and that the proposed water projects would not be in violation of the treaty. Pakistan has disputed these claims.

Chaudhry said that issues such as extremism have damaged the relationship between India and Pakistan. He reiterated the need for both countries to hold bilateral talks focused on these important issues.

“Relations between Pakistan and India have not been very good and the reason is that Pakistan and India are not having any dialogue," he said.

He added that lack of such dialogue had allowed the relationship between the two countries to deteriorate.

"We also believe that it is for the [best for] our two counties to sit at the table and share each other's perspectives,” Chaudhry said.

However, he added that the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a group dominated by Russia and China, was not the correct platform to hold bilateral dialogue.

Pakistan and India's full membership to the powerful SCO was approved by its Council of Heads of State at its 15th Summit last year. In July, Pakistan signed the Memorandum of Obligations (MoO) with the objective of obtaining full membership of the organisation.

Chaudhry described the SCO as "a good forum to work for maintenance of regional peace, security and stability, economy and trade."

UN's role in Kashmir
Chaudhry said the role of the UN Monitoring Observer Group in India and Pakistan was critical to peace between Pakistan and India.

"The Group can also independently monitor ceasefire violations," Chaudhry said, alleging that India had violated the ceasefire agreement 310 times since September.

He said the international community, too, should play its role in ensuring that India respects its international obligations and commitments.

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personal attacks??..


lol

they only can do personal attacks. Why do you think they have the reputation that they have?..