Indian muslim :Javed Akhtar's Pakistan

[Manas]

 

[Leader]

Islam as a religion is our least concern, Islam as a Dheen what matters !!

 

[Manas]

Islam as a religion is our least concern, Islam as a Dheen what matters !!

Will you please elaborate on that ??

 

[Spring Onion]

what is he saying ? post points here

 

[Leader]

Will you please elaborate on that ??

by dheen we mean the political socio economic system of Islam, by religion we mean rituals and spirtual part of life.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

by dheen we mean the political socio economic system of Islam, by religion we mean rituals and spirtual part of life.

and i guess you are for political islam ?

 

[jayron]

what is he saying ? post points here

1. Pakistan was created by and for the Rich muslims of the subcontinent like Zamindars and Zagirdars, not for the poor ones. That's why feudalism was never abolished.

2. Indian muslims have more religious freedom than Pakistanis as an Ahmedi , Shia or a muslim of any sect could follow their religion freely without persecution.

3. Indian Hindu fanaticism and Pakistani Islamic fanaticism are a mirror image of each other and feeds of each other.

4. A secular India is not in Pakistani interest as it questions Pakistan's creation. So Pakistan would be happy if there are religious riots as it legitimizes their existence. Pakistani media and people deliberately ignore the flourishing the Indian islam and culture . Eg. they tend to ignore the urdu scholars of India even when they travel to Pakistan.

 

[Spring Onion]

can someone posts points what javed akhtar is saying ?

 

[LaBong]

1. Pakistan was created by and for the Rich muslims of the subcontinent like Zamindars and Zagirdars, not for the poor ones. That's why feudalism was neer abolished.

2. Indian muslims have more religious freedom than Pakistanis as an Ahmedi , Shia or a muslim of any sect could follow their religion freely without persecution.

3. Indian Hindu fanaticism and Pakistani Islamic fanaticism are a mirror image of each other and feeds of each other.

4. A secular India is not in Pakistani interest as it questions Pakistan's creation. So Pakistan would be happy if there are religious riots as it legitimizes their existence. Pakistani media and people deliberately ignore the flourishing the Indian islam and culture . Eg. they tend to ignore the urdu scholars of India even when they travel to Pakistan.

Javed Akhtar a smart guy.

 

[indianpatriot]

Javed Akhtar is a man filled with words that can burn both Indian and Pakistani reporters...better ask him about his movies not Politics because he is brutally truthful.

 

[Spring Onion]

thanks for posting let me reply his claims now

1. Pakistan was created by and for the Rich muslims of the subcontinent like Zamindars and Zagirdars, not for the poor ones. That's why feudalism was neer abolished.

The nawabi, raja mahraja feudalism existed in subcontinent after partition the feudal dint migrate to Pakistan but many were locals already and many grabbed lands and become ones,

look at the areas of concentration of feudals and you will see it in Punjab and Sindh mostly having their proximity with pre-independence .
The Pakistan movement was supported by common Muslims other than feudal or rich ones. there are some issue here but over all the plight farmers here despite less land is much much better than Indian ones who have are in bad conditions despite having a huge land.

2. Indian muslims have more religious freedom than Pakistanis as an Ahmedi , Shia or a muslim of any sect could follow their religion freely without persecution.

Its debatable and his own wife has been quoted by media saying they dont find houses on rent or otherwise because they are Muslims.

3. Indian Hindu fanaticism and Pakistani Islamic fanaticism are a mirror image of each other and feeds of each other.

fanaticism in Pakistan is mostly unleashed by those followers of fitna Indian deobandis and again those Indian so-called scholars including maududi who were against creation of Pakistan and today their remains are carrying on their agenda of damaging Pakistan.

4. A secular India is not in Pakistani interest as it questions Pakistan's creation. So Pakistan would be happy if there are religious riots as it legitimizes their existence.

the religious rights by Hindus dates back to pre-independence when Pakistan was not even present so its not our fault if there are riots staged by Indians since many decades against Non-Hindus mostly then Javed akhrat should probe and study it and find out the reasons instead of coming up claims that Pakistan will be happy. surely we will be as long as you are happy in adding fire to our ethnic tensions. you are no saints

Pakistani media and people deliberately ignore the flourishing the Indian islam and culture . Eg. they tend to ignore the urdu scholars of India even when they travel to Pakistan.

if our media is promoting Indian hindu culture why we would be ignoring Urdu scholars ??? his claims are childish. he should provide logical backing to his claims first as to how many scholars visits Pakistan and how many interact with our media.
btw if so how he was interviewed by Pakistani channel wherein he is spewing venom against Pakistan which has been posted in this thread as well

 

[Manas]

^^^ you should listen him making overarching incisive but honest points about Pakistan to get a better idea ,rather than making rebuttal on a short summary.

 

[Spring Onion]

^^^ you should listen him making overarching incisive but honest points about Pakistan to get a better idea ,rather than making rebuttal on a short summary.

Manas those who sided with India i dont consider their views on my country as honest.

his many points rebounds on him. would it not be better for him to work for own community's betterment and speak about their problems in India instead of hiding behind sentiments against another country

 

[indianpatriot]

thanks for posting let me reply his claims now



The nawabi, raja mahraja feudalism existed in subcontinent after partition the feudal dint migrate to Pakistan but many were locals already and many grabbed lands and become ones,

look at the areas of concentration of feudals and you will see it in Punjab and Sindh mostly having their proximity with pre-independence .
The Pakistan movement was supported by common Muslims other than feudal or rich ones. there are some issue here but over all the plight farmers here despite less land is much much better than Indian ones who have are in bad conditions despite having a huge land.

well then why didn't pakistan abolish feudalism after partition?that means they were backed by them to some extent plus why didn't dring the creation of Pakistan Jinnah didn't care about employed Muslims in other parts of India?Why they were sidelined?What is the basis of creation of Pakistan if it was meant only for a fraction of rich Muslims?Why there were more Muslims in India than in Pakistan is Pakistan was created as a state for SA muslims?

Its debatable and his own wife has been quoted by media saying they dont find houses on rent or otherwise because they are Muslims.

watch the whole interview first.It was a deliberately made clip to defame India.

fanaticism in Pakistan is mostly unleashed by those followers of fitna Indian deobandis and again those Indian so-called scholars including maududi who were against creation of Pakistan and today their remains are carrying on their agenda of damaging Pakistan.






the religious rights by Hindus dates back to pre-independence when Pakistan was not even present so its not our fault if there are riots staged by Indians since many decades against Non-Hindus mostly then Javed akhrat should probe and study it and find out the reasons instead of coming up claims that Pakistan will be happy. surely we will be as long as you are happy in adding fire to our ethnic tensions. you are no saints [?QUOTE}

why the same Deobandi sect is not creating any tensions in India?Even the name Deoband means(Devi's Forest-Durga's Forest).Is there zero possibilities that certain people who are trying to make multiple targets with one arrow are deliberately including Indian name in their misdeeds so that they can divert your resources towards a neutral target,justify your Islamic nation and control it at the same time.

if our media is promoting Indian hindu culture why we would be ignoring Urdu scholars ??? his claims are childish. he should provide logical backing to his claims first as to how many scholars visits Pakistan and how many interact with our media.
btw if so how he was interviewed by Pakistani channel wherein he is spewing venom against Pakistan which has been posted in this thread as well

Your the people of TWO NATION THEORY we are not because JINNAH proposed it we didn't and that includes HINDUS and MUSLIMS are different,have a different history and culture.Now its just warming not wanting of you to promote INDIAN CULTURE in your country.You only claim URDU as yours and sideline at the same time.Aren't you being hypocritical that way?

 

[Sinnerman108]

That is the thing i believe.

Now "musicians" and "poets" will pass judgments on Islam and Pakistan.