Indian LCA Tejas Or Pakistani JF-17: Who Is Winning The Malaysian Fighter Jet Contract?

[VkdIndian]

Ok moron. You fail to realise you made that happen yourself by ignoring my links from PAC itself when you requested it

' You are wasting others time here while you don’t even know how to quote a post and keep posting lengthy posts which are full of BS'

I give up on you. A guy who claims that active seeker of a missile is opened and it can be launched at more range than the radar itself. You really are superior.

I can’t compete with such high intellect.

Just one request though. Don’t take your high intellect to your heart and stop posting your high level content for some time. Considering your posts it might so happen that Malaysians might order JF-17even before trying Tejas.
I hope would accept this request.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

I give up on you. A guy who claims that active seeker of a missile is opened and it can be launched at more range than the radar itself. You really are superior.

I can’t compete with such high intellect.

Just one request though. Don’t take your high intellect to your heart and stop posting your high level content for some time. Considering your posts it might so happen that Malaysians might order JF-17even before trying Tejas.
I hope would accept this request.

Malaysian left the chat after reading the intensity of the comments.

No I'm calling you dumb, because you are genuinely dumb. You are being stupid and ignorant.


'You quoted a Thr to Wt ratio with WS-13 engine. Did you produce a source for that?
Now who is dumb here?
For last few posts you have been constantly posting BS.
Whatever suits you is claimed as a credible performance. Wherever you feel like you show as if your credible info was denied. You claimed Thr to Wt ratio of more than 1. I asked for its source. You couldn’t produce one.'

Oh so now its about the ws13 engine source? Ah yes, be completely vague about your question. Just ask for a link for the T/W ratio. Not about the specific ws13 T/W ratio WHICH I STILL GAVE YOU.

Do you know what? Here. Here is the actual video with the ws13

https://www.reddit.com/r/PakistaniMilitary/comments/jhqh25

'Are you dumb or an idiot who doesn’t understand simple English inspite of being explained clearly.
Now I feel like calling a a dumb shit.
JF-17 can’t track a target more than 200 Km due to radar limitation but it can fire at a target more than 200 Kms. And missile will find out a target more than that range on its own and then track it too. [emoji12][emoji12]
What did you eat today? Go and get your glucose level checked. Your brain is failing you.'

Are you that retarded to not see the pl15 has an active seeker warhead which means it doesn't need the radar of the JF17 or any other jet for that matter to track the target? Up until a certain point in the pl15s flight, its own ARH will activate. It will track the target by its self. Hence why its fire and forget. The Klj7a will aid the pl15 to a certain range before the pl15 tracks the target by itself further increasing the range.

Also I haven't eaten since 3:50 in the morning, I am fasting.

'Literally shown by whom amd where? In your dreams?'

Here is the pl10 on the jf17blk3

https://www.reddit.com/r/PakistaniMilitary/comments/mzs8vs

Funnily enough if you had went onto the blk3 development thread on pak def, you would've seen the JF17 with the pl10 equipped.

'You are wrong again. Tejas has a FBW in all axis while JF is limited only in one axis. Who told you that FBW is only for stabilising? You are a dumb crack who doesn’t know anything.'

Where you succeed in one thing you fail in the rest [emoji17]

Also I know the JF17 has a single FBW as of now. Blk3 will have full FBW system incorporated into it. You were making out it never had a FBW to begin with lul.

Also FBW is for stabilising the aircraft and also so the pilot doesnt push the aircraft beyond its limit/ flight envelope. I never said it was ONLY for stab. I srsly doubt the average 82iq of India. Urs is far below it.

I am a dumb crack? What?

'I wouldn’t go on further with your post because it is filled with nothing else but pure BS. Your posts are full of unproven info.'

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Ok moron. You fail to realise you made that happen yourself by ignoring my links from PAC itself when you requested it [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

' You are wasting others time here while you don’t even know how to quote a post and keep posting lengthy posts which are full of BS'

You haven't posted a single quote yourself [emoji23][emoji23]

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please cool down. no need to get emotional.

 

[VkdIndian]

Malaysian left the chat after reading the intensity of the comments.

 

[Tornado23]

I give up on you. A guy who claims that active seeker of a missile is opened and it can be launched at more range than the radar itself. You really are superior.

I can’t compete with such high intellect.

Just one request though. Don’t take your high intellect to your heart and stop posting your high level content for some time. Considering your posts it might so happen that Malaysians might order JF-17even before trying Tejas.
I hope would accept this request.

Active radar homing - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Tornado23]

Malaysian left the chat after reading the intensity of the comments.

please cool down. no need to get emotional.[/QUOTE]

I cri evrytym

 

[Surya 1]

India is assembling a state of art gallerium nitrate based AESA radar. It will be an excellent radar with wide coverage angle and many advance feature like teacking of multiple targets while searching the sea or land and guide AAM simultaneously. Astra Mk2 is coming. New flight conttol system, advance network centtic capability, sendor fusion etc will make Tejas a very advance plane of 4.5 generation. Its Radar will easily locate stealth aircraft. Tejas and grippen shall be the best in clas aircraft.. With the arrival of 110 kn engine, india's light and mefium aircrafts shsll be at the par eith best atleast.

 

[Fighting Falcon 01]

India is assembling a state of art gallerium nitrate based AESA radar. It will be an excellent radar with wide coverage angle and many advance feature like teacking of multiple targets while searching the sea or land and guide AAM simultaneously. Astra Mk2 is coming. New flight conttol system, advance network centtic capability, sendor fusion etc will make Tejas a very advance plane of 4.5 generation. Its Radar will easily locate stealth aircraft. Tejas and grippen shall be the best in clas aircraft.. With the arrival of 110 kn engine, india's light and mefium aircrafts shsll be at the par eith best atleast.

This will come ... that will come... IOC... FOC .... Dude your AESA is not the only GAN based radar in the world neither it is the first one to track multiple targets and detect over air land and sea and engage multiple targets.... so what's the point of writing something that doesn't even exist at this point? Not a single MK1A exists with an operational version of the AESA radar you are making....even the radar is in testing phase...... tejas at this point is a dud just leave it and start from scratch.... JF 17 block 3 already has started production and has two new prototypes as well one of which was recently seen carrying the PL10E ..... so when that happens come back and compare it with gripen or even block 3 thunders

 

[In arduis fidelis]

Bhai koi pls btaday kya final hua phir kis ka jahaz bik raha hai? 18 pages nai parh sakta.

 

[Surya 1]

This will come ... that will come... IOC... FOC .... Dude your AESA is not the only GAN based radar in the world neither it is the first one to track multiple targets and detect over air land and sea and engage multiple targets.... so what's the point of writing something that doesn't even exist at this point? Not a single MK1A exists with an operational version of the AESA radar you are making....even the radar is in testing phase...... tejas at this point is a dud just leave it and start from scratch.... JF 17 block 3 already has started production and has two new prototypes as well one of which was recently seen carrying the PL10E ..... so when that happens come back and compare it with gripen or even block 3 thunders

In its current avatar also, it is state of art aircraft unmatched buy anything else except Grippen.

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

The 'deficiencies' in the JF17 blk1 was no where near the same as of those in the tejas MK1. Firstly it could actually turn. Tejas could not. Secondly it was actually inducted. Tejas wasn't. Thirdly it met constant support and development which led to the timely arrival of the block 2 which had already solved all those 'deficiencies'.

With the tejas, all we got is an example of development hell, mixed with poor execution. Its a frankenstein of a jet, that is said to be indigenous. You have a delta winged Air craft that has huge amounts of drag acting on it, sluggish turn time and a poor development history. How long did it produce and order your tejas mk1a?

First revealed and flew in 2001. Inducted in 2015...14 years.

JF 17? First flew 2003. Inducted 2007. 4 years. That's a pretty big difference mate.

No choice? We could've easily turned to the Chinese and bought off the shelf fighter jets. But we wanted our own. Something we can manufacture to save money and also export to make some extra cheddar cheese on the side.

Also yeaaaa it doing so well isn't it... Talk to me when it actually sees combat.


Claims of the 1500km range? Huh?

Claims of combat range is 1352km and that's with drop tanks I'm pretty sure, w/o using after burner possibly. I'm not to sure on the after burner part. I agree to an extent its somewhat debatable although someone did the math on pdf a long time ago regarding its range. Imo I would put it somewhere around 850-1000km combat range with 3 drop tanks.


What do i mean by limited bvr? I mean range. Your best bvr the tejas can fire is the astra mk1. A pure aim 120c5 copy with a range similar to that of the aim 120 c5. 105km-110km. Jf 17s current best bvr is the pl12/sd10a with 100km and 38g pull intercept. Although in literally less than a years time the first blk3 will land changing it to the pl15 with a quoted 250-350km range. Completely out ranging ALL ur a2a missiles even the ones that are currently in development hell.

Also ur stand off weaponry game is weaker than the jf 17s.

Anti shipping missile capability

Tejas can use kh59mk with a reported 115km to 200km range cruising at mach 0.88.

JF 17 uses Cm400akg with a 250km+ range which attacks its target at mach 4+

Next ashm

Tejas uses kh35 with a 130km range traveling at mach 0.95

Jf 17 uses the cm802a and cm802akg and c705.

Cm802 a range 180km, mach 0.9

Cm802akg reported 250km range

Cm705 170km range


Then we got A2G missiles

Tejas

Spice 2000, 40km range

HSLD 30km range max. Literally seems like an lgb.


Drdo glibe bombs 100km range

SAAW 100Km range

Jf17 uses

H4 140km range

H2 60km range

LD 10 ARM 80km

CM 102 100km range

MAR 1 100km range

RAAD 2 600km range

GB6 60km range

Takbir 100km range.


Do I need to say more?

Then with the uttam radar. Lol again at that.

I am not into Tejas vs j17 debate. But some info are incorrect. Cm400 isn't integrated with JF17. It was said to be integrated and has one picture with it at most.
Same goes for Raad , or KH missiles for Tejas. It's not that difficult to integrate missiles but it's not easy task either.

 

[Tornado23]

I am not into Tejas vs j17 debate. But some info are incorrect. Cm400 isn't integrated with JF17. It was said to be integrated and has one picture with it at most.
Same goes for Raad , or KH missiles for Tejas. It's not that difficult to integrate missiles but it's not easy task either.

Hm? I'm pretty sure the Cm400akg is integrated on the jf17

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

Hm? I'm pretty sure the Cm400akg is integrated on the jf17

Nope. JF17 flew with 2 mock ups of that missile in an airshow. In China. Reports came in that even if bought some missiles. But there are no reports of integration, test firing on JF17 yet. I am not saying it hasn't happened, but there is no evidence to prove otherwise. Air launched BrahMos even with multiple test fires with Su30 is still under dev trials.

 

[Euro fighter]

The MOST SHOCKING thing i have learnt is the contract with China is for 30 planes only in block 3 version only.

Why am i shocked ............. Well you have spent 10 years inducting 120+ Block 1 & 2 with all metal alloy airframes and there are rumours of fatigue on some planes already. No surprise there All the euro canards come with composites. The flight control is single axis FBW once again trying to reduce cost you have cut corners and increased manuel control needs so more work for pilot .

You learnt lessons and are overcoming these deficiences in block 3 versions ... but now we are told only 30 planes thats 1.5 sqaudrons.

Whilst you can spend another 5 years upgrading the block 1 & 2 cockpit with Aesa FCR and ew suites and other sensors like MAWS you cannot change the airframe deficiency .

This is where india got it right ordering only 40 block 1 Tejas and then 83 much more advanced mark1a

By the way somebody joked Tejas on Truck versis JF17 block 3 . that jokes a bit tiresome and dated now

look below

They have intergrated both Derby BVR and Python 5 hobs missles
Remember these 40 planes come with HMD and quadruplex fbw and composites in version 1 NOT in version 3 which you guys will not have until 2022

By the time you induct 30 mark 3 Thunders by 2024-2025 their version mark1a will be in full production

Pakistanis wont like this last remark but you guys are testing and improving your thunder in chengdu and adding chinease radar and weapons

Indians are testing and improving at home in india with both Indian & israeli weapons and sensors .

 

[Tornado23]

The MOST SHOCKING thing i have learnt is the contract with China is for 30 planes only in block 3 version only.

Why am i shocked ............. Well you have spent 10 years inducting 120+ Block 1 & 2 with all metal alloy airframes and there are rumours of fatigue on some planes already. No surprise there All the euro canards come with composites. The flight control is single axis FBW once again trying to reduce cost you have cut corners and increased manuel control needs so more work for pilot .

You learnt lessons and are overcoming these deficiences in block 3 versions ... but now we are told only 30 planes thats 1.5 sqaudrons.

Whilst you can spend another 5 years upgrading the block 1 & 2 cockpit with Aesa FCR and ew suites and other sensors like MAWS you cannot change the airframe deficiency .

This is where india got it right ordering only 40 block 1 Tejas and then 83 much more advanced mark1a

By the way somebody joked Tejas on Truck versis JF17 block 3 . that jokes a bit tiresome and dated now

look below
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They have intergrated both Derby BVR and Python 5 hobs missles
Remember these 40 planes come with HMD and quadruplex fbw and composites in version 1 NOT in version 3 which you guys will not have until 2022

By the time you induct 30 mark 3 Thunders by 2024-2025 their version mark1a will be in full production

Pakistanis wont like this last remark but you guys are testing and improving your thunder in chengdu and adding chinease radar and weapons

Indians are testing and improving at home in india with both Indian & israeli weapons and sensors .

This is the most low effort troll post I have ever encountered. Couldn't you have at least put some effort into it?


Anyways enjoy the report.

 

[gangsta_rap]

Indians are testing and improving at home in india with both Indian & israeli weapons and sensors .

Why won't you fix your flags?