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What was that weird name!!!.Please let us know
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What was that weird name!!!.Please let us know
Seems too good to be true. If it's true then it means
JF-17s played second fiddle to mirages in ground attack and to F-16s in air combat. Guy in this audio calls thunder as F-17 and mirage 2000c as 21C.
Also claims of 3 jets and a helicopter going down.
A win-win for Modi!!! He's making his financiers happy....Hi,
A BVR missile can be converted to surface to air mode.
The range going up would be less---but it is doable---.
Hi,
Here is the answer @Khafee ---. Modi confirmed the Paf claim of downing the SU30 and M2K---.
@sohail.ishaque Smart guy---very smart indeed---answer showed right in front of our faces and the message did not register---.
Modi's speech was an open admission that an SU30 and an M2K were shot down---.
There was no reason for him to be asking for the Rafale if his current top fighters were not shot down---.
@Khafee here is the reason why analysis keeps changing of a hot contested item---suddenly a different view is projected from a known known---you stand back a look at the picture from a different angle and then the perspective has changed---.
Suddenly---the intensity of the indian premier about the lack of Rafale emerges giving out a different message about the ever important " why he stated what he did --- what was the urpose and reason behind it ---what was the significance of that confusing statement ".
We see strength and weakness from our perspective---. We see the utility and strength of the SU30 and the M2K from our perspective---if we don't see the weakness---we would also not expect the weakness from these aircraft---.
So---the perspective of looking thru enemy's mindset and his operational status---shows a totally different picture that what we expected---.
He was crying telling the nation---look I told you this beforehand---these aircraft will fail and we needed to get that aircraft---.
A great observation!!! If true it means the total EW domination by the PAF!!! And, it further implies don't depend on the "export" versions from the "usual suspects"....And the remaining jigsaw puzzle was completed by IAF itself by awarding the SU 30 pilot for dodging the AMRAAM. But not for the SD 10 which implies that the elta Jamming and EW simply failed to miscue the SD 10 and the secure Link 17 bus.
telling it publically mean asking IAF to strike back.
its not bollywood
Yeah... That does sound a bit off
Seems like fighter pilots were flying a heli
after the indian elections...
Ratchet down the tensions is the primary reason. Simple as that. This is not a schoolyard fight for Pakistan to stick its thumb in Indian noses by making more claims when the public was being driven into a frenzy on the Indian side. Once the fighting occurred, both sides realized the need to de-escalate. For precedence, Pakistan too did not retaliate after the Atlantique was shot down killing 17 crew.If this is true then what is holding ISPR back to claim it ?
Is this the official version of india?PAF had nothing to do with Mi 17. Mi 17 had taken off without informing traffic controller. It was shot down by IAF.
And that is the truth.
PAF had nothing to do with Mi 17. Mi 17 had taken off without informing traffic controller. It was shot down by IAF.
And that is the truth.
Threatening to attack with missiles was a kind of message that IAF & IN both forces shown modi middle finger . Modi g we can attack but their response will be more destructive.. So better for us to announce missile attack then inform all big powers we are going to attack them with missiles, and modi team was confident that P5 will sure find a way for face saving.. And they did convince IK to release poilet urgently..Hi,
A BVR missile can be converted to surface to air mode.
The range going up would be less---but it is doable---.
Hi,
Here is the answer @Khafee ---. Modi confirmed the Paf claim of downing the SU30 and M2K---.
@sohail.ishaque Smart guy---very smart indeed---answer showed right in front of our faces and the message did not register---.
Modi's speech was an open admission that an SU30 and an M2K were shot down---.
There was no reason for him to be asking for the Rafale if his current top fighters were not shot down---.
@Khafee here is the reason why analysis keeps changing of a hot contested item---suddenly a different view is projected from a known known---you stand back a look at the picture from a different angle and then the perspective has changed---.
Suddenly---the intensity of the indian premier about the lack of Rafale emerges giving out a different message about the ever important " why he stated what he did --- what was the urpose and reason behind it ---what was the significance of that confusing statement ".
We see strength and weakness from our perspective---. We see the utility and strength of the SU30 and the M2K from our perspective---if we don't see the weakness---we would also not expect the weakness from these aircraft---.
So---the perspective of looking thru enemy's mindset and his operational status---shows a totally different picture that what we expected---.
He was crying telling the nation---look I told you this beforehand---these aircraft will fail and we needed to get that aircraft---.
Let them be daze and cook up stories and feeble. The fact of the matter is , the PAF strikes were lethal for IAF.Is that so? mind sharing when this was stated.
beside why would Mi 17 take off without informing the traffic given there were more than 2 people (pilot and co pilot) on board hence some form of pre-planned flight. Even if it did, do you always shoot down your own plane??
Normally dont you attempt to identify and air craft, make radio contact especially when its your own plane and if it turns out the it has gone rouge only than you would shoot it down.
It seems the knock on the head by PAF was ready biggie and you guys are losing you mind with each passing day.
No.. JF-17 has its own armament to deal with such threats and it proved. Information will make out to public very slowly but eventually, will come out by sometimes.
IAF lastly promised grieving families, 15 days to complete investigation for this. Still waiting for official statement. Is there any chance to read it soon?
However, this "Blue on Blue" thing is not a good sign at all. Don't want to play point scoring over death of fallen soldiers but, I am sure, such humiliating acknowledgment wouldn't be made just to avoid any Pakistani random claim.
What? Is that how IAF does to its own officers violating SoP? Shot down without any warnings? That too well inside indian airspace.
If this is true then what is holding ISPR back to claim it ?
Well people are not going to believe this, and will probably scream obscenities at me, but what I heard is, that the main rotor refused to be involved in "napak sajish," and said goodbye to the 6 commandos.
Is this the official version of india?
Is that so? mind sharing when this was stated.
beside why would Mi 17 take off without informing the traffic given there were more than 2 people (pilot and co pilot) on board hence some form of pre-planned flight. Even if it did, do you always shoot down your own plane??
Normally dont you attempt to identify and air craft, make radio contact especially when its your own plane and if it turns out the it has gone rouge only than you would shoot it down.
It seems the knock on the head by PAF was ready biggie and you guys are losing you mind with each passing day.
And how it was shot down???Nope, it is the inside story.
On the same day, when it happened.
can i get the link?okay deleted, but why. May wanna delete yours too...still shows the link.