Indian Field Marshal about Pakistan Army in East Pakistan

[shuntmaster]

It was never a war between Pakistan and India. It was actually a conflict between two brothers East and West Pakistan. It could have been solved without the intervention of any other country. It was transformed into a war by India. East Pakistan was actually very angry at that moment, and in the heat of the moment they helped India. West Pakistan kept its calm, as no one was thinking logically, and decided to surrender than to kill their own brothers.

Yeah.. a conflict between brothers involving killing raping of millions of one brothers family?? denying the human and fundamental rights of one brother and treating him like a third class citizen?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

It's okay we can give it to them. They fought bravely , but what they did with the civilians in Bangladesh was very cowardly.

 

[IND151]

It was never a war between Pakistan and India. It was actually a conflict between two brothers East and West Pakistan. It could have been solved without the intervention of any other country. It was transformed into a war by India. East Pakistan was actually very angry at that moment, and in the heat of the moment they helped India. West Pakistan kept its calm, as no one was thinking logically, and decided to surrender than to kill their own brothers.

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[ajtr]

Indians are so stupid.

There is a fine line between bravery and foolishness.

If the tables were turned, the Indians would have surrendered way before the fight even began.

Didn't you know that indians already surrendered after mumbai incident and are still sending their surrender papers aka dossiers duly signed in triplicate for almost 4 consecutive years.

 

[arp2041]

Nothing to take away from the PA but IMHO FM only said a thing which sounded politically, diplomatically & militarily correct, there is a saying - "Never underestimate your enemy" & being the FM of Indian Army who else will know this better than Sam Manekshaw.

 

[shuntmaster]

Didn't you know that indians already surrendered after mumbai incident and are still sending their surrender papers aka dossiers duly signed in triplicate for almost 4 consecutive years.

A Pakistan stamp depicting the 90,000 POWs in Indian camps. This stamp was issued by Pakistan with the political aim of raising global support to help secure their release. The POWs were released by India after the signing and ratification of the Simla Agreemen

 

[Contrarian]

What can I say?


If it's it one thing Pakistanis can do well, it is fight.

Not really. Apart from individual cases of bravery. Pakistani army has always put it's soldiers in positions where they had to be brave. Speaks not much for the competency of the men but the incompetence of the command.

As a nation Pakistan army has no military war success to speak much of.

 

[ashok321]

Didn't you know that indians already surrendered after mumbai incident and are still sending their surrender papers aka dossiers duly signed in triplicate for almost 4 consecutive years.

Above is a persuit and not a surrender.
If above is what you imply it is, then think Atlantique incident with 16 officers brought down......
What did pakistan do? Oher than ending up in the ICJ at hague and face defeat.....
You have audacity to prevaricate to your own consternation.....

 

[shuntmaster]

Didn't you know that indians already surrendered after mumbai incident and are still sending their surrender papers aka dossiers duly signed in triplicate for almost 4 consecutive years.

Atleast India is able to make those dossiers. For your information, we are making more than the triplicate copies of them and some of them are going to other countries, exposing Pakistan's complicity in terrorism. Result is that there was no more 26/11 after 2008, but Pakistan is experiencing 26/11 everyday.
On the other hand your leaders keep saying they have evidence to India's involvement in balochistan and NWFP and they have been making promises that they will release those evidence for the world at appropriate time since many many years.. Now, even the Pakistani's don't believe them..

 

[ajtr]

Above is a persuit and not a surrender.
If above is what you imply it is, then think Atlantique incident with 16 officers brought down......
What did pakistan do? Oher than ending up in the ICJ at hague and face defeat.....
You have audacity to prevaricate to your own consternation.....

Above is surrender and another surrender india did was in 1999 in kandhar during ic-814 hijacking.

 

[vsdoc]

Sorry wrong thread

 

[jhankar]

Are you kidding me? Pakistan killed well in excess of 100,000 (going by the most conservative estimates). To give you some perspective, the Bangladeshi Govt claims you killed 3 million.

Agreed on the first part of your post though. India was forced to intervene because all the refugees from Bangladeshis were pouring into our state, because you were killing them.

You're not giving the complete picture. Pakistani Government made Hamoodur Rehman commission which gave figures of 26000. Bangladeshi Govt claims 3 million. But you can't accept any of the claims. A renowned genocide scholar from Columbia University claims it to be between 300,000 - 500,000 from a neutral point of view.
He also says most of it were perpetuated and encouraged by Bangali nationalists against non-Bangali minorities especially Biharis.

I am not saying Pakistan army didn't do anything wrong. They might have also incited sectarian violence but it doesn't give India any excuse to create Mukhti Bahini , "a terrorist organization" which instead of diffusing the situation creates more violence.

 

[ajtr]

Atleast India is able to make those dossiers. For your information, we are making more than the triplicate copies of them and some of them are going to other countries, exposing Pakistan's complicity in terrorism. Result is that there was no more 26/11 after 2008, but Pakistan is experiencing 26/11 everyday.
On the other hand your leaders keep saying they have evidence to India's involvement in balochistan and NWFP and they have been making promises that they will release those evidence for the world at appropriate time since many many years.. Now, even the Pakistani's don't believe them..

India was was forced to type its own surrender papers....

 

[Contrarian]

Its easier to say that Indians caught 93K prisoners which is some sort of a world record. If you see it from Pakistan point of view, if they wanted they could have fought till the last man, but the destruction and collateral damage of civilians would have been irreversible by the both armies. They surrendered to save the lives of the civilians and infrastructure.

Please tell me your joking. I understand that for Pakistanis whatever the PA does is supposed to be brave. But these people were simply saving their lives by surrendering. The bengalis were out to murder every Pakistani there. Fighting further was guarantee for death for the PA by either IA or Bengalis.
They didn't surrender to avoid death of civilians. The PA were ordered to kill any Bengali they deemed fit and they did it with flair. Please dont peddle trash.

 

[shuntmaster]

India was was forced to type its own surrender papers....

You mean like this??