Indian education: wall of shame...

[bobsm]

Yet they don't disclose the data.... for 3 years.... that says everything......

Didn't you just claimed:"The fact that china did not allow other regions to take part but only shanghai was selected tells everything... "? The fact that even the poorest provinces scored about the same as oecd average says a great deal about China's educational system, disclosure or no disclosure.

Further reading on the Shanghai score,

educationtoday: Are the Chinese cheating in PISA or are we cheating ourselves?

An excerpt:

Short of arguments about methodology, some people turn to dismissing Shanghai’s strong performance by saying that Shanghai’s students are only good on the kind of tasks that are easy to teach and easy to test, and that those things are losing in relevance because they are also the kind of things that are easy to digitise, automate and outsource. But while the latter is true, the former is not. Consider this: Only 2% of American 15-year-olds and 3% of European ones reach the highest level of math performance in PISA, demonstrating that they can conceptualise, generalise and use math based on their investigations and apply their knowledge in novel contexts. In Shanghai it is over 30%. Educators in Shanghai have simply understood that the world economy will pay an ever-rising premium on excellence and no longer value people for what they know, but for what they can do with what they know.

PISA didn't just test what 15-year-olds know in mathematics, it also asked them what they believe makes them succeed. In many countries, students were quick to blame everyone but themselves: More than three-quarters of the students in France, an average performer on the PISA test, said the course material was simply too hard, two-thirds said the teacher did not get students interested in the material, and half said their teacher did not explain the concepts well or they were just unlucky. The results are very different for Shanghai. Students there believe they will succeed if they try hard and they trust their teachers to help them succeed. That tells us a lot about school education. And guess which of these two countries keeps improving and which is not? The fact that students in some countries consistently believe that achievement is mainly a product of hard work, rather than inherited intelligence, suggests that education and its social context can make a difference in instilling the values that foster success in education.

 

[Sneaker]

Didn't you just claimed:"The fact that china did not allow other regions to take part but only shanghai was selected tells everything... "? The fact that even the poorest provinces scored about the same as oecd average says a great deal about China's educational system, disclosure or no disclosure.

Further reading on the Shanghai score,

educationtoday: Are the Chinese cheating in PISA or are we cheating ourselves?

An excerpt:

Did you read the statements by PISA? One place they say only Shangai participated and other places they say 12 provinces and yet another place they say 9 province. That was the point of the link. Read before posting. No point in comparing the selected few with random samples.

 

[bobsm]

Did you read the statements by PISA? One place they say only Shangai participated and other places they say 12 provinces and yet another place they say 9 province. That was the point of the link. Read before posting. No point in comparing the selected few with random samples.

Where did it (PISA) mentioned only Shanghai participated? The article mentioned only Shanghai because it had no authorization to release the scores for the rest of the participating provinces. The 12 provinces were subsequently mentioned by the director of PISA, Andreas Schleicher, after questions were raised by the public about other Chinese participants. Btw, the point of the link was in case you move the goal post once again. Maybe you should do some research and think clearly, before posting.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Where did it (PISA) mentioned only Shanghai participated? The article mentioned only Shanghai because it had no authorization to release the scores for the rest of the participating provinces. The 12 provinces were subsequently mentioned by the director of PISA, Andreas Schleicher, after questions were raised by the public about other Chinese participants. Btw, the point of the link was in case you move the goal post once again. Maybe you should do some research and think clearly, before posting.

Andreas Schleicher, director of OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development), has responded to Tom Loveless' queries on China many times. If posters have any additional query on OECD, check PISA Technical Background Annex from the official website.

If posters still have query on any specific country, just focus on the other 73 entrants and that also provides good enough reference so see where india, subject of this thread, fares against other countries. PISA 2009 Results (Mathematics, Science, Reading):

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Yet more than 40% of students in US grad schools are Indians.

in 2012/13 there were reportedly almost 97,000 indian graduate students in the US....and there are 20 million (approx.) graduate students in the US

so not sure where you came up with that number

 

[Skull and Bones]

in 2012/13 there were reportedly almost 97,000 indian graduate students in the US....and there are 20 million (approx.) graduate students in the US

so not sure where you came up with that number

My analysis is limited to STEM fields. I have never seen a desi coming to US to study 'Theater arts'.

 

[Sneaker]

Where did it (PISA) mentioned only Shanghai participated? The article mentioned only Shanghai because it had no authorization to release the scores for the rest of the participating provinces. The 12 provinces were subsequently mentioned by the director of PISA, Andreas Schleicher, after questions were raised by the public about other Chinese participants. Btw, the point of the link was in case you move the goal post once again. Maybe you should do some research and think clearly, before posting.

Again did you read the source? PISA atmone time said only shangai test were its, other were chinese govt conducted. If only people could read.....

 

[Shotgunner51]

IQ and the Wealth of Nations is a 2002 book by Richard Lynn, Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, Professor of Political Science. The book argues that differences in national income (in the form of per capita gross domestic product) are correlated with differences in the average national intelligence quotient (IQ). Differences in average national IQs constitute one important factor, but not the only one, contributing to differences in national wealth and rates of economic growth. The 2006 book IQ and Global Inequality is a follow-up to IQ and the Wealth of Nations by the same authors.

The results of IQ by country are as below:

Data for India : IQ Score 81 ; ranked #60 out of 81 countries.​

Similar to PISA results, in which India ranked 72~74 out of 72 countries, IQ score is not high. As per analysis by IQ and Global Inequality , India's economy will naturally be among the world's poorest, in fact India's per capita GDP is even lower than Sub-Saharan Africa (see below data from World Bank, 2005-2013).

With exception of a handful of resources-rich countries (e.g. Qatar), human capital is the key productivity factor for economic development. India needs to take solid steps to address this IQ issue, and education.

 

[Dr. Sen]

IQ and the Wealth of Nations is a 2002 book by Richard Lynn, Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, Professor of Political Science. The book argues that differences in national income (in the form of per capita gross domestic product) are correlated with differences in the average national intelligence quotient (IQ). Differences in average national IQs constitute one important factor, but not the only one, contributing to differences in national wealth and rates of economic growth. The 2006 book IQ and Global Inequality is a follow-up to IQ and the Wealth of Nations by the same authors.

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The results of IQ by country are as below:
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Data for India : IQ Score 81 ; ranked #60 out of 81 countries.​

Similar to PISA results, in which India ranked 72~74 out of 72 countries, IQ score is not high. As per analysis by IQ and Global Inequality , India's economy will naturally be among the world's poorest, in fact India's per capita GDP is even lower than Sub-Saharan Africa (see below data from World Bank, 2005-2013).

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With exception of a handful of resources-rich countries (e.g. Qatar), human capital is the key productivity factor for economic development. India needs to take solid steps to address this IQ issue, and education.

Somehow, India can build and maintain a space industry, an advanced nuclear weapons program, a top notch IIT program, a burgeoning pharmaceutical industry, replicate Western weapons (aka nuclear subs), etc. India has received millions of high IQ jobs in programming and engineering from other countries. If there were NO high scorers in India (as PISA indicates), then India could not have performed these tasks AT ALL.

According to this test most Arabs(Qatar very low!), Sri Lanka, Egypt and has lower IQ than India. Iran has a low iq of 84 similar to India. And you beleive this bullshiit? Sri Lanka is about to be the next Singapore(thats what you guys say) and the Persians are dumb? And what about Arab scientists during the golden period of Islam?

In addition, the chinese IQ tests were done in Beijing and Shanghai. The Indian IQ tests were done not in Delhi and Bangalore, but in Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, and Orissa, which are the poorest, most illiterate and malnourished and backward places.

Haha your 'IQ and wealth of nations'...poor country of Qatar with low iq and Sri Lanka will be like sub saharan africa forever according to you!

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I think the OP must meet some bihari villagers
They will sell him off in a market,without even letting him know

Might be for the better, but cattle trading is not banned

 

[Brahma Bull]

Might be for the better, but cattle trading is not banned

I am not the ordinary bull ,i am "The Rock"

 

[Sneaker]

IQ and the Wealth of Nations is a 2002 book by Richard Lynn, Professor of Psychology, and Tatu Vanhanen, Professor of Political Science. The book argues that differences in national income (in the form of per capita gross domestic product) are correlated with differences in the average national intelligence quotient (IQ). Differences in average national IQs constitute one important factor, but not the only one, contributing to differences in national wealth and rates of economic growth. The 2006 book IQ and Global Inequality is a follow-up to IQ and the Wealth of Nations by the same authors.

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The results of IQ by country are as below:
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Data for India : IQ Score 81 ; ranked #60 out of 81 countries.​

Similar to PISA results, in which India ranked 72~74 out of 72 countries, IQ score is not high. As per analysis by IQ and Global Inequality , India's economy will naturally be among the world's poorest, in fact India's per capita GDP is even lower than Sub-Saharan Africa (see below data from World Bank, 2005-2013).

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With exception of a handful of resources-rich countries (e.g. Qatar), human capital is the key productivity factor for economic development. India needs to take solid steps to address this IQ issue, and education.

IQ has been junked long ago as any accurate measurement of intelligence. May be they forgot to inform you.

 

[bobsm]

Again did you read the source? PISA atmone time said only shangai test were its, other were chinese govt conducted. If only people could read.....

This was your original statement: "The fact that china did not allow other regions to take part but only shanghai was selected tells everything... "? "

Why are you dismissing what the director of PISA had said in the above wiki quote? The director obviously knows who he tested. Don't you agree? Based on the statement from the PISA director, 12 provinces were tested. What is so hard to understand and accept? If you have problems with the his statement, take it up with the director.

 

[Nicky G]

I know the Economist is mostly leftist trash these days, but do they no longer cite sources in their articles?