Indian Diplomat's Take On: Pakistan's Yemen War

[Daneshmand]

Perhaps the State should get control over terrorists who want to cause sectarian conflict in Pakistan. Then perhaps the Shia in Pakistan will rather than themselves engaging against the State will support the State?

Perhaps you should visit Lebanon? Well, not now, most of the country is filled with refugees.



You're wrong, the Saudi's requested Pakistani troops, while Pakistan considered the request the Saudis had second guesses over their combat effectiveness against Saddam's 8-year hardened troops, the Saudis then went to the US.

And Pakistan did send troops but only in a symbolic measure, they were deployed to relieve Saudi troops guarding the Yemen border.

No, not at all. Saudis immediately went to US. There is no evidence that Saudis even considered Pakistan.

Symbolic or tymbolic. It does not matter. I was making a point to liar here who said, while Iran helped Pakistan during its wars with India, but Pakistan did not help Iran when Saddam attacked it because, Pakistan is supposedly a neutral state in Muslim affairs. It is a proof that Pakistan was not neutral and no such policy existed.

 

[SBD-3]

Perhaps the State should get control over terrorists who want to cause sectarian conflict in Pakistan. Then perhaps the Shia in Pakistan will rather than themselves engaging against the State will support the State?

Perhaps you should visit Lebanon? Well, not now, most of the country is filled with refugees. [/]

State's ability to control things become significantly weak as the propaganda of both the sides by continuous nurturing the extremist mindset. This creates not only active proxies but also sleeper cells which can be made active as and when needed. Shias and deubandis have long engaged each other as non-state actors and continue to do so to date.
Lebnon Govt is hostage to Hezb. But still they lent a tacit support the KSA over action against Iran-backed proxy despite having Iran's most powerful proxy I.e. Hezb in their cabinet.

 

[salarsikander]

It is a proof that Pakistan was not neutral and no such policy existed

Hi,

Then How did you get your nukes etc then ?

For the past few years since kargil I would say Iran has taken quite arrogant stance on pakistan. Remember when it was India republic when Irani prime minister went to celebrate it. The the whole saga of border guard patrol and shelling of the villages and then Irani siding with India be it their personal interst or not (chabar port) So you see you really cant gives us any lesson on that.

 

[SBD-3]

Symbolic or tymbolic. It does not matter. I was making a point to liar here who said, while Iran helped Pakistan during its wars with India, but Pakistan did not help Iran when Saddam attacked it because, Pakistan is supposedly a neutral state in Muslim affairs. It is a proof that Pakistan was not neutral and no such policy existed.

Two important things
1-Shah's regime had been toppled with a theocratic setup. This was the starting point of departure of Pak-Iran bilateral relations.
2-Saddam never had any friendly relations with Pakistan in the first place.So there was no point for Pakistan to do anything unlike Arab Israel War.

 

[Daneshmand]

Hi,

Then How did you get your nukes etc then ?

For the past few years since kargil I would say Iran has taken quite arrogant stance on pakistan. Remember when it was India republic when Irani prime minister went to celebrate it. The the whole saga of border guard patrol and shelling of the villages and then Irani siding with India be it their personal interst or not (chabar port) So you see you really cant gives us any lesson on that.

Pakistan officially admits that the nuke part was the action of a single individual and not a strategic decision on part of Pakistan.

Lets reverse the situation and see what you have done for Iran, the Iran that helped you in your wars:

Iran kills Pakistani diplomats in Iran.

Iran kills Pakistani diplomats in Yemen/Syria.

Iran invites Pakistani pilots on an official visit and then kills them.

etc etc etc.

What will you expect then happens. This is what you have been doing.

Anyways, this all started when a liar here, started attacking Iran, calling Iran "backstabber" and the rest.

I only responded and discredited this liar.

No need to get emotional. We all know what reality is.

The reality being, it is the Sunni extremists running on Saudi ideology that are at war with Pakistan and playing soccer with Pakistani soldiers body parts. It is the Sunni extremists who attack your schools and burn children and teachers alive. Not the Shias.

Try to see who is your enemy and who is not.

Do not turn friendly states into enemy.

Two important things
1-Shah's regime had been toppled with a theocratic setup. This was the starting point of departure of Pak-Iran bilateral relations.
2-Saddam never had any friendly relations with Pakistan in the first place.So there was no point for Pakistan to do anything unlike Arab Israel War.

So was Ayub Khan who we helped in 65. He was overthrown and Pakistan changed its constitution to an Islamic one (the same as a theocracy). According to this new Pakistan's constitution, the supreme law of the land is not man made but divine guiding of Quran and Sunnah. Read your constitution, before commenting.

Iran DID help you in your wars. You did not return the favor when Iran was under attack. So much so for your argument.

 

[SBD-3]

Pakistan officially admits that the nuke part was the action of a single individual and not a strategic decision on part of Pakistan.

Lets reverse the situation and see what you have done for Iran, the Iran that helped you in your wars:

Iran kills Pakistani diplomats in Iran.

Iran kills Pakistani diplomats in Yemen/Syria.

Iran invites Pakistani pilots on an official visit and then kills them.

etc etc etc.

What will you expect then happens. This is what you have been doing.

Anyways, this all started when a liar here, started attacking Iran, calling Iran "backstabber" and the rest.

I only responded and discredited this liar.

No need to get emotional. We all know what reality is.

The reality being, it is the Sunni extremists running on Saudi ideology that are at war with Pakistan and playing soccer with Pakistani soldiers body parts. It is the Sunni extremists who attack your schools and burn children and teachers alive. Not the Shias.

Try to see who is your enemy and who is not.

Do not turn friendly states into enemy.



So was Ayub Khan who we helped in 65. He was overthrown and Pakistan changed its constitution to an Islamic one (the same as a theocracy). According to this new Pakistan's constitution, the supreme law of the land is not man made but divine guiding of Quran and Sunnah. Read your constitution, before commenting.

Iran DID help you in your wars. You did not return the favor when Iran was under attack. So much so for your argument.

1-Pakistan was an Islamic Republic from onset. There had been measures to introduce Islamic laws in basic doctrine of the state I.e. Constitution. And Pakistan remained a liberal and religiously moderate country until the systemic attempts by Zia ul Haq to introduce theocracy in Govt by forming Islamist Parties but also to create society driven by theocratic structure. However,Never had Pakistan been ruled by a supreme council of clergy because in general Pakistani can do anything to appease clerics yet would not like to entrust them with their vote.
2-Like I said before Pakistan enjoyed warm relationships with Pakistan in Shah's regime and had Iran-Iraq war happened whilst Iran under Shah, you would have seen a more pro-shah approach.

 

[salarsikander]

Pakistan officially admits that the nuke part was the action of a single individual and not a strategic decision on part of Pakistan.

Lets reverse the situation and see what you have done for Iran, the Iran that helped you in your wars:

Iran kills Pakistani diplomats in Iran.

Iran kills Pakistani diplomats in Yemen/Syria.

Iran invites Pakistani pilots on an official visit and then kills them.

etc etc etc.

What will you expect then happens. This is what you have been doing.

Anyways, this all started when a liar here, started attacking Iran, calling Iran "backstabber" and the rest.

I only responded and discredited this liar.

No need to get emotional. We all know what reality is.

The reality being, it is the Sunni extremists running on Saudi ideology that are war with Pakistan and playing soccer with Pakistani soldiers body parts. It is the Sunni extremists who attack your schools and burn children and teachers alive. Not the Shias.

Try to see who is your enemy and who is not.

Do not turn friendly states into enemy.

Hi,

I am not entirely sure what do you mean by bold parts or they were necessarily relevant to the conversation.

About Nuke you think Pakistani govt would officially admit giving nukes to Iran, really? and then take the warth of whole world for it. It much better to place the blame on one individual rather than whole state taking balme for it.

Secondly, its not like you guys aren't supporting the proxy war either.

friendly states exhibit their friendless through their policies not through attacking in cold-blood, then supporting our arch-rival, so you see its more of reaction to the stated policies observed by Iranian state.

spare me from emotional bullshit, I can confidently say that both of You state of Al saud and state of Mullah suffer from severe complex of superiority and I support Neither

 

[Dalit]

Pakistan is in no position to say no. All the reasons you wrote go out the window when the Saud dangle a couple dollars in front of the appropriate 'leaders'.



Free Gas for Pakistani Fighter jets landing in Iran.
Military & Diplomatic support in 71.
Cobra Gunships and various material support against the Baloch uprising. (Iran supplied Spare Parts for Pakistan's American War Machine everytime)
Preferential Oil Pricing.
Re-establishing diplomatic ties with Afghanistan.
Anti-Soviet Occupation.
Support's Pakistan's claim to Kashmir.
Supported Pakistan's Nuclear Program.

But you're welcome to forget that since Iran supported the Northern Alliance against the Taliban.

In other words, become part of another American war. Nice one. Like Pakistan already hasn't had enough of American wars.

Thanks, but no thanks. As for the American coalition of the willing, they are free to fight as much as they like.

Pakistan will not become party in this Saudi/Israeli/American war.

 

[Daneshmand]

Hi,
personal interst or not (chabar port) So you see you really cant gives us any lesson on that.

Well, at least know country. If Iran has been developing Chabahar it is none of your business since you are not helping at all.

By comparison it is Iran that is helping Gwadar. Your Gwadar port is not connected to Pakistan's national electricity grid. It is connected to Iran's national electricity grid.

So much so for helping someone.

 

[salarsikander]

So much so for helping someone.

read my post on Nukes .
if you dont agree to that, then al i can say is you're one ungrateful person and so is your nation

 

[Daneshmand]

Hi,

I am not entirely sure what do you mean by bold parts or they were necessarily relevant to the conversation.

About Nuke you think Pakistani govt would officially admit giving nukes to Iran, really? and then take the warth of whole world for it. It much better to place the blame on one individual rather than whole state taking balme for it.

Secondly, its not like you guys aren't supporting the proxy war either.

friendly states exhibit their friendless through their policies not through attacking in cold-blood, then supporting our arch-rival, so you see its more of reaction to the stated policies observed by Iranian state.

spare me from emotional bullshit, I can confidently say that both of You state of Al saud and state of Mullah suffer from severe complex of superiority and I support Neither

The bold parts are the things Pakistan has been doing to Iran.

Iranian diplomats were killed in Pakistan.

Iranian air force pilots were invited on an official visit to Pakistan and gunned down.

Iranian diplomats were killed in Afghanistan by a force supported by Pakistan.

The least you can do, is actually know your own history and what has been happening in Pakistan.

And spare us BS.

read my post on Nukes .
if you dont agree to that, then al i can say is you're one ungrateful person and so is your nation

No, it is you who is ungrateful.

You did not say, why you killed Iranian diplomats and air force pilots.

After all the help Iran extended to you.

 

[salarsikander]

The bold parts are the things Pakistan has been doing to Iran.

Iranian diplomats were killed in Pakistan.

Iranian air force pilots were invited on an official visit to Pakistan and gunned down.

Iranian diplomats were killed in Afghanistan by a force supported by Pakistan.

The least you can do, is actually know your own history and what has been happening in Pakistan.

And spare us BS.

Provide the links for what you mentioned, there is difference between state sponsoring killing and someone doing it own personal capacity, what you did to guards was pure state policy

 

[Sky lord]

The only concern is the Takfiri elements becoming so strong in Pakistan (as evidently they are becoming) that they do a coup or revolution taking over Pakistan's military and the nuke stockpiles.

Of course, Iran will be the first target. No doubt about that. But the second target will be you and China.

If you guys could think big, you would stop trying to be a US poodle and instead made up with China. It would have enormous benefits for the region. And the world.

Hey Dude, I think you make a lot of sense - possibly falling on deaf ears....any target will always be first India then Iran.

And who you calling poodle ? Pug maybe but never poodle, those are the French.

 

[Daneshmand]

1-Pakistan was an Islamic Republic from onset. There had been measures to introduce Islamic laws in basic doctrine of the state I.e. Constitution. And Pakistan remained a liberal and religiously moderate country until the systemic attempts by Zia ul Haq to introduce theocracy in Govt by forming Islamist Parties but also to create society driven by theocratic structure. However,Never had Pakistan been ruled by a supreme council of clergy because in general Pakistani can do anything to appease clerics yet would not like to entrust them with their vote.
2-Like I said before Pakistan enjoyed warm relationships with Pakistan in Shah's regime and had Iran-Iraq war happened whilst Iran under Shah, you would have seen a more pro-shah approach.

Mumbo jumbo semantics.

Iran DID help you in your wars.

You refused to help Iran when Iran was under attack by Saddam.

But you helped Saudis when Saudi Arabia was under threat of Saddam.

Enough said.

Hey Dude, I think you make a lot of sense - possibly falling on deaf ears....any target will always be first India then Iran.

And who you calling poodle ? Pug maybe but never poodle, those are the French.

Provide the links for what you mentioned, there is difference between state sponsoring killing and someone doing it own personal capacity, what you did to guards was pure state policy

I put the link up there before. The liar admin, censored it and threatened to "lock" me out. Go ask the liar. Otherwise Google is always there. And these acts were not random, one of a kind. They continued over decades.

 

[salarsikander]

Mumbo jumbo semantics.

Iran DID help you in your wars.

You refused to help Iran when Iran was under attack by Saddam.

But you helped Saudis when Saudi Arabia was under threat of Saddam.

Enough said.







I put the link up there before. The liar admin, censored it and threatened to "lock" me out. Go ask the liar. Otherwise Google is always there.

Hi,

I have searched up by writing Pakistan gunned down iranian pilots and nothing came up
perhaps you can tell me specific keyword

 

[gau8av]

Two important things
1-Shah's regime had been toppled with a theocratic setup. This was the starting point of departure of Pak-Iran bilateral relations.
2-Saddam never had any friendly relations with Pakistan in the first place.So there was no point for Pakistan to do anything unlike Arab Israel War.

meanwhile in Pakistan, while they were ending the Shah's reign in Iran, Zia happened... so both societies were radicalized around sectarian ideas at the same time.