Indian CAS tol visit BD and take salute during BMA passing out parade

[Tiki Tam Tam]

There are too many upstarts who fake that they are the direct descendants.

Religion must be tempered with reality and not fantasy or day dreams.

This is worth noting from a Pakistani author's book

The author said that the Muslim people have generally been hesitant in self criticism and have not subjected the history of their civilization to critical observation and a sickening self love and self aggrandizement have been their driving passion which is behind the tendency to look down upon all cultures and civilizations which they aim ultimately at destroying in order to establish the supremacy of the Islamic way of life.

It is no longer enough to say, “misinterpretation of religion”. Who are the guardians, the true interpreters of religion? All sects claim authenticity over others. Every sect, or even person, I would say, is authentic in his or her interpretation because, at the end of the day, religion is belief. Belief is so unsubstantial by definition, that another variation of unsubstantiated theory cannot hope to counter, leave alone vanquish it.

If you start with belief, or supposition, how can you possibly then identify the correct or incorrect intention, interpretation, objective, practice or purpose of a belief system, a system unfounded on proof, logic or reason? All the millions of people, or hundreds of sects, who believe they can convince the other, are living in a fool’s paradise and condemned to eternal conflict. One ‘belief’ cannot win over another belief — unless by the sword.

Religion has been allowed to run amok in this country, to freely arouse emotions — and abandon reason and humanity — and is treated as if it were the ultimate, incontrovertible, disprovable, scientific, supreme truth. Not only that, it has, horrifically, been allowed to become the basis of the legal framework of this country. How in the world is mere belief accorded more deference than reason, dialogue and consensus reached judgement?

Book launching: Muslim narcissism feeding terrorism – The Express Tribune
http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...6375-muslim-narcissism-feeding-terrorism.html


And note what Muse, from the Think Tank has to say:

You may have read the lead article but I don't think you understood it because you've just done what the Author contends Muslims have become adept at, being uncritical of themselves and always, always, placing the blame for their ills on others -- in your case it's Christians and Jews -- and that's rather curious because as a Pakistani you have not been fighting Christians and Jews, but then again, wanna be Arabs, have to also internalize the so called struggles of the arbi super Muslims, who are Arbi first and then Muslim.

 

[integra]

I like it although if I am not wrong, then, the fake Sayyed was sent in hell directly. NO!!

I'm not sure about that but many betrayers of this land
where they supported the enemy back then had been thrown in Hell
for sure. Must be hell of a ride they are enjoying back there.

 

[Al-zakir]

I'm not sure about that but many betrayers of this land
where they supported the enemy back then had been thrown in Hell
for sure. Must be hell of a ride they are enjoying back there.

• Those who actively participated in the liberation war (1971), only; they will be allowed to stay at the administration. The rest of the officials would be sacked and the vacant posts would be filled up by Indian administrative officials.

• After the liberation war the Indian soldiers (required number) would stay in Bangladesh (there was no time limit about how long they would stay).From November, 1972 to review the matter a meeting between the two countries would be arranged in the following every year.

• There will be no separate Military for Bangladesh .

• To check the discipline of law and order in the country a Para Military force would be formed encircled by Mukti Bahini(Liberation force).

• The Indian Chief of the staffs of the Military would lead the possible India-Pakistan war, not the Chief of Mukti Bahini, and during the war time the Mukti Bahni would be under Indian command.

• The business of the two countries would be open market based. But the number of the business would be determined in every year and the dues would be paid by Sterling (Pounds.)

• In the case of relation between Bangladesh and other states, the Foreign Ministry would contact with Indian Foreign Ministry and India would assist as long she could.

The treaty was signed by Temporary President Syed Nazrul Islam. That man became fainted after he had signed the treaty. (According to Masudul haq, 1990, pp.93)

So I assume you agree with above agreement. If we have subservient people like you then who needs enemy. Bloody shame.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

What was brought out in the thread of PDF and from the book is a wake up call.

The book is not a J'Accuse. It is the heart wrenching cry of Pakistan who finds all the dreams going up in smoke because religion has been allowed to run amok and that there are too many wannabe Arabs who want to out Arab the Arab in the game to squeeze in some respectability in an Islamic eye.

The book merely is a statement to wake up and smell the coffee and not sink into Antediluvianism!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

So I assume you agree with above agreement. If we have subservient people like you then who needs enemy. Bloody shame.

What is the veracity of the document?

Any links?

Or mere propaganda and disinformation being spread?

But then one must understand the difference first!

 

[Zabaniyah]

What was brought out in the thread of PDF and from the book is a wake up call.

The book is not a J'Accuse. It is the heart wrenching cry of Pakistan who finds all the dreams going up in smoke because religion has been allowed to run amok and that there are too many wannabe Arabs who want to out Arab the Arab in the game to squeeze in some respectability in an Islamic eye.

The book merely is a statement to wake up and smell the coffee and not sink into Antediluvianism!

^^^

 

[integra]

So I assume you agree with above agreement. If we have subservient people like you then who needs enemy. Bloody shame.

There is still no complete proof about those treaties but I'll accept its true,
if I am not wrong it was mentioned by some RAW agent
Dr. Kalidas Bodyo (a self proclaimed agent) during 2006
in a book.

For the sake of conversation I'll accept the facts.
Mujeeb was in Jail when the so called treaty materialized .
The acting president Syed Nazrul must have been in
a dilemma either to save people of his country from
the massacre or stay shun like betrayers.

Lets also agree I'm sub-servant to my country
unfortunately for you, you have to suck up
to other nations for their compassion.

I had one or two Pakistani friends and they make
good friends, its time to move on.

Remember if you have to use a BD flag,
you have to respect the ones who fought for this country
otherwise just get rid of it.
It has nothing to do with Politics.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

The issue on a forum is that if indeed one is using the correct flag indicating his country.

I visit many countries and I log in from there on my own account in India.


But if I were to log in from another country, I could fly that flag too since the IP would indicate that indeed I am from that country.

Now if one is abroad for sometimes, for education or professional reason, what stops them to fly any old flag including Burkina Faso and as a citizen from the capital Ouagadougou?

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

^^^

Not a laughing matter.

Going by Al Zakirae, because I used to see QTV and PTV, (ask Mod Asim about it), it should make me a Muslim.

And indeed my pet name is Salim!

I find the logic as totally cockananny and bilge!

I find it pathetic and a sign of insecurity!

Let us tell you about Indian TV. On hot issues vis a vis Pakistan, Indian TV debates have eminent Pakistani personalities participating in a no holds barred debate. So, narrow minded chaps with total insecurity would feel that theTV channels are pandering to Pakistani propaganda. Far from it. They are only allowing Indians to see the issue in its totality and not be myopic and downright stupid!

 

[brational]

Where is Munshi? If any one there, pls tell him I'm missing him.. The Revolutionary writer and strategic thinker.. I'm proud of u..

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

In think the sage is banned for possibly calling one of the Mods some foul names.

 

[Al-zakir]

There is still no complete proof about those treaties but I'll accept its true,
if I am not wrong it was mentioned by some RAW agent
Dr. Kalidas Bodyo (a self proclaimed agent) during 2006
in a book.

For the sake of conversation I'll accept the facts.
Mujeeb was in Jail when the so called treaty materialized .
The acting president Syed Nazrul must have been in
a dilemma either to save people of his country from
the massacre or stay shun like betrayers.

Lets also agree I'm sub-servant to my country
unfortunately for you, you have to suck up
to other nations for their compassion.

I had one or two Pakistani friends and they make
good friends, its time to move on.

Remember if you have to use a BD flag,
you have to respect the ones who fought for this country
otherwise just get rid of it.
It has nothing to do with Politics.

Sure I have respect for those who died and fought like a man(wrong or right reason) but I have no respect for Dalals. I am a follower of hero like President Zia-ur-Rehman.

I do not recall any of those Awami Bharti Dalals fought on the field including this fake Syyed.

As a matter of fact, almost all Awami cowards were Hiding in Bharat while normal people were force to fight. Your hero Mujib surrendered himself(to save his behind) to Pak army while sent his family to safe sanctuary in Europe left behind six corror people without any direction. Also notable that Muib were enjoying kabab and Basmati rice in west Pakistan while innocent people were left to die in East Pakistan.

I find those are hereditary Ghaddar that support Bharti Dalals Awami who wants to turn BD a subservient of Delh.

 

[Zabaniyah]

There is still no complete proof about those treaties but I'll accept its true,
if I am not wrong it was mentioned by some RAW agent
Dr. Kalidas Bodyo (a self proclaimed agent) during 2006
in a book.

For the sake of conversation I'll accept the facts.
Mujeeb was in Jail when the so called treaty materialized .
The acting president Syed Nazrul must have been in
a dilemma either to save people of his country from
the massacre or stay shun like betrayers.

Lets also agree I'm sub-servant to my country
unfortunately for you, you have to suck up
to other nations for their compassion.

I had one or two Pakistani friends and they make
good friends, its time to move on.

Remember if you have to use a BD flag,
you have to respect the ones who fought for this country
otherwise just get rid of it.
It has nothing to do with Politics.

Sure I have respect for those who died and fought like a man(wrong or right reason) but I have no respect for Dalals. I am a follower of hero like President Zia-ur-Rehman.

I do not recall any of those Awami Bharti Dalals fought on the field including this fake Syyed.

As a matter of fact, almost all Awami cowards were Hiding in Bharat while normal people were force to fight. Your hero Mujib surrendered himself(to save his behind) to Pak army while sent his family to safe sanctuary in Europe left behind six corror Euople without any direction. Also notable that Muib were enjoying kabab and Basmati rice in west Pakistan while innocent people were left to die in East Pakistan.

I find those are hereditary Ghaddar that support Bharti Dalals Awami who wants to turn BD a subservient of Delh.

Both of these responses are valid.

But it is time to move on. And honestly, our political environment needs to be changed drastically if Bangladesh is to move forward in a positive direction, and not become some lapdog of India. If Bangladesh ultimately fails, it'll become the inevitable, no, not a reunification or anything. Much worse in fact.

I would be the happiest person in the world to see Hasina being exiled in India. Let her score points against Bangladesh from there. It'd be interesting to see...

The woman has become a traitor in my eyes after the Pilkhana tragedy.

 

[Al-zakir]

Both of these responses are valid.

But it is time to move on. And honestly, our political environment needs to be changed drastically if Bangladesh is to move forward in a positive direction, and not become some lapdog of India. If Bangladesh ultimately fails, it'll become the inevitable, no, not a reunification or anything. Much worse in fact.

I would be the happiest person in the world to see Hasina being exiled in India. Let her score points against Bangladesh from there. It'd be interesting to see...

The woman has become a traitor in my eyes after the Pilkhana tragedy.

Wise will choose the better alternative.

Bangladeshi and Islamic nationalist are forward looking. They are Bangladesh centric with a flavor of serving Ummah. If you notice BNP is not obsess about the 71. It is more concern about the current situation.

on flip side. Awami league is obsess with 71 and Bharat. It can not even think without the bloody event of 71.

When BNP comes in Power, Bangladesh produce more friends in aboard whereas Awami come in power to serve Bharti agendas. I firmly believe if any Bangladeshi possess any patriotic blood then he or she can not support Awami because Awami league simply a Ghaddar party.

 

[desioptimist]

Both of these responses are valid.

But it is time to move on. And honestly, our political environment needs to be changed drastically if Bangladesh is to move forward in a positive direction, and not become some lapdog of India. If Bangladesh ultimately fails, it'll become the inevitable, no, not a reunification or anything. Much worse in fact.

I would be the happiest person in the world to see Hasina being exiled in India. Let her score points against Bangladesh from there. It'd be interesting to see...

The woman has become a traitor in my eyes after the Pilkhana tragedy.

Zabanya, any reason you are angry with India now a days?