Indian Army finally starts rifle trials

[acetophenol]

Interesting, isn't it? India sends mission to Mars but can't produce a rifle!!

Aree yaar, India has multitude of options, that why we are thinking of importing too!

India has been producing and using its own rifles for several years!

^^^OFB SLR (FN FAL) has been the Standard Issue rifle previously

^^^INSAS AR, the current standard Issue rifle

^^^AMOGH Carbine

These are some Indian rifles.

^^^ Thats the Multi Caliber Weapon System, it will complement the winner of the current trials, with the MCWS being in greater numbers.

 

[Kompromat]

Colt rifle has the best merit among all of the above.

@sandy_3126 - Why hk is not in the tender.? I someone making bucks by keeping them out?

chhut!y@ thakbi

Redesigned IWI Galil ace.

 

[asad71]

Aree yaar, India has multitude of options, that why we are thinking of importing too!

India has been producing and using its own rifles for several years!

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^^^OFB SLR (FN FAL) has been the Standard Issue rifle previously

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^^^INSAS AR, the current standard Issue rifle

^^^AMOGH Carbine

These are some Indian rifles.

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^^^ Thats the Multi Caliber Weapon System, it will complement the winner of the current trials, with the MCWS being in greater numbers.

That's a Belgian FN rifle you had been copy catting. Many times rejected by IA for poor quality but forced on them anyway.

 

[ni8mare]

Redesigned IWI Galil ace.

AFAIK india donot uses ace...........secondly ace is neither multical nor uses insas barrel

 

[Kompromat]

AFAIK india donot uses ace...........secondly ace is neither multical nor uses insas barrel

Please read what i have stated above again. The Galil ace itself is a hybrid of AK-47, Sig design features and M4.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Redesigned IWI Galil ace.

Not at all...

 

[ni8mare]

Please read what i have stated above again. The Galil ace itself is a hybrid of AK-47, Sig design features and M4.

and how that turn into redesigned ace?
MCIWS is evolution of insas with feature introduce from other rifles ......MCIWS is more closer to AR where ace is more closer to AK
also see post #79

 

[Kompromat]

Not at all...

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I do know my firearms.

Lets not derail the thread further. Whatever you choose to believe is your own problem. I shared my observation and any weapons expert who has actual experience with firearms will be able to tear this rifle into threads and tell which part came from where.

and how that turn into redesigned ace?
MCIWS is evolution of insas with feature introduce from other rifles ......MCIWS is more closer to AR where ace is more closer to AK
also see post #79

MICWAS is a redesigned ACE as per Indian specs (cheaper). The obvious overall visual similarities aside, from the Muzzle break, to flip up sights, handguard, gas operating mechanism, lower and upper receivers, rail placement, LOS alignment, butstock and pistol grip. They are of higher quality in ACE and of lower quality in MICWAS. The reason for that maybe because the IA might want to utilize its existing tooling to fabricate these firearms to keep them simple, cheap, easy to operate and easy to produce. Despite the much touted multi caliber specs, i as personally fail to see any merit of having a rifle with multiple calibres being brought into the battlefield. MultiCal rifles are well suited for Special Ops only.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

I do know my firearms.

Lets not derail the thread further. Whatever you choose to believe is your own problem. I shared my observation and any weapons expert who has actual experience with firearms will be able to tear this rifle into threads and tell which part came from where.

You can do the same with ANY modern rifle now of days. Some things come from other designs. Specially things looking like Scars or ACR.

The Indian one can fire 6.8×43mm which Galils dont. MCIWS prototype uses an INSAS barrel, ergonomics are different(not clean yet), and it's machined with aluminum alloy. And frankly, they look different from the very beginning!

 

[Kompromat]

You can do the same with ANY modern rifle now of days. Some things come from other designs. Specially things looking like Scars or ACR.

The Indian one can fire 6.8×43mm which Galils dont. MCIWS prototype uses an INSAS barrel, ergonomics are different(not clean yet), and it's machined with aluminum alloy. And frankly, they look different from the very beginning!

Which should explain the 'Redesigned' part of my post.

 

[kaykay]

MCIWS is a. multicaliber rifle, ACE is not. case closed!!!

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

BTW guys who are so called themselves expert haven't seen the firing mechanism of rifles and By just looking at physical appearance declared about product.....

With Request, so called Fire Arms expects before announcing your verdict , please elaborate the Guns mechanism with proof or else till then hold your so called expert theory to yourself.

All planes have same wings and some engine position , that doesn't mean all are same.

 

[ni8mare]

MICWAS is a redesigned ACE as per Indian specs (cheaper). The obvious overall visual similarities aside, from the Muzzle break, to flip up sights, handguard, gas operating mechanism, lower and upper receivers, rail placement, LOS alignment, butstock and pistol grip. They are of higher quality in ACE and of lower quality in MICWAS. The reason for that maybe because the IA might want to utilize its existing tooling to fabricate these firearms to keep them simple, cheap, easy to operate and easy to produce. Despite the much touted multi caliber specs, i as personally fail to see any merit of having a rifle with multiple calibres being brought into the battlefield. MultiCal rifles are well suited for Special Ops only.

most of the up coming rifle is resemble to each other in ergonomics ......what you saying is also common in other than ACE
>>>flip up sights, handguard ,lower and upper receivers, LOS alignment, butt stock...these are always present in rifle only now they have got modular and more flexible
>>>rail placement.....are requirement of today's warfare which is also common

lower quality in MCIWS is seen because its not refined it still going on trial.......

 

[MilSpec]

Colt rifle has the best merit among all of the above.

@sandy_3126 - Why hk is not in the tender.? I someone making bucks by keeping them out?



Redesigned IWI Galil ace.

Dont know, looks like they did have a muti caliber system

BTW guys who are so called themselves expert haven't seen the firing mechanism of rifles and By just looking at physical appearance declared about product.....

With Request, so called Fire Arms expects before announcing your verdict , please elaborate the Guns mechanism with proof or else till then hold your so called expert theory to yourself.

All planes have same wings and some engine position , that doesn't mean all are same.

rotating lock bolt with long breach gas piston action.... will be my educated guess...

I am no expert but I have fired a few guns...

Which should explain the 'Redesigned' part of my post.

MCIWS deserves a through review, I haven't gotten a chance to look into it, but just from the appearance to me it looks like a design based on a Ar15/M16 receiver with quick barrel change lug with long stroke gas piston instead of the direct gas impingement. A la-HK416 approach with modularity, (we often forget that AR15 platform is the first modular system to begin with)

It seems to have a AR styled machined receiver, both 6.8 and 556 are nato chambered and thus with collpsable breach lock will fit in the same reciever, for the 7.62 x 39, In my opinion it would be a upper change.

 

[acetophenol]

That's a Belgian FN rifle you had been copy catting. Many times rejected by IA for poor quality but forced on them anyway.

Did you even read my post?? OFB SLR is an Indian license made FN FAL, I've said that in my first post itself. FN FAL was successfully used as the standard issue rifle of the Indian Army for several years from the 1970s to the 1990s.Later it was replaced by the Indian made INSAS rifle which is the current standard issue.