Indian Air Force to convert Agra-Lucknow Expressway into India's first road runway: Reports

[thesolar65]

My question is as to what kind of road we are talking about? 4 lanes or six lanes or 8 lanes, because we will have dividers on the road. And also what should be road length (minimum and straight)?

@Abingdonboy

 

[Emmie]

Pakistan has needed to develop this capability because of the lack of depth that it possesses, India has no such issues and thus has not developed such capabilities to date.

For Pakistan that was out of necessity, for India it is more of a luxury to have this kind of capability.

Luxury is an accessory, better to spend funds for the welfare of people.

Considering the fact that main threat to Pakistan is from east I don't think Pakistan lacks the depth you're interested in. Have a look at the map, there are plenty of airstrips that can be used in emergency.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Luxury is an accessory, better to spend funds for the welfare of people.

With just 1.78% of GDP being spent on defence this is surely being done.

Considering the fact that main threat to Pakistan is from east I don't think Pakistan lacks the depth you're interested in. Have a look at the map, there are plenty of airstrips that can be used in emergency.

It looks like Pakistan's most Western base is Gwadar, what the distance from the IB to Gwadar? Not much really.


Thank you for posting the map, it highlights my point further.

 

[OrionHunter]

Such kind of projects must be kept confidential. Its kind of a open invitation to adverseries. If you have bombed our Plan A ( Airfield Runways) than also bomb our plan B ( Road Runways) too.

You can't keep such huge projects secret. Some clown will spill the beans sooner than later. After all, there would be hundreds of people involved in such projects. The only way out is to have a deception strategy by making a two or more stretches many miles apart so multiple options are available.

India's first???
Can anyone please help me and tell if there is not road patch that is or can be used as a runway for fighter jets and have tried and tested that???

It is the first such IN INDIA!!! It's never been done, tried and tested in India before!

Nations known to utilize the strategy of highways constructed to double as auxiliary airbases in the event of war are Singapore, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Poland, Taiwan, and Russia.

For a fighter jet to land on a highway you need...

> An absolutely straight min 3km stretch.
> No street lights in the area.
> No culverts/bridges with abutments.
> No slopes/bumps on the highway.
> A minimum three lanes available.
> Exit/approach from/to the highway.
> 'Runway' lights.
> A makeshift ATC.
> Temp infrastructure for refueling/arming etc.

Have I helped you as was your wish?

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Pakistan Airforce has had this facility for nearly 20 years now. I know PAF uses sections of M2 Motorway

M2 motorway (Pakistan) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This thread is about Indian expressway? who asked about your opinion about some shitty Pakistani road...

Read, read and read again. For Chrissake, it is the first such IN INDIA!!! It's never been done, tried and tested in India before!

Have I helped you as was your wish?

Dont try too hard...its an attempt to derail the thread and get it closed...there are couple of pakistani;s who always provide their shit opinion even when it was not required. and when countered they end up crying and name calling...

 

[Emmie]

With just 1.78% of GDP being spent on defence this is surely being done.

Again luxury is an accessory, luxury sounds absurd when a good percentage of people live below poverty line. It makes sense if luxury is indeed a necessity. Maybe we should review the term, what say you?

It looks like Pakistan's most Western base is Gwadar, what the distance from the IB to Gwadar? Not much really.


Thank you for posting the map, it highlights my point further.

Look at the map one more time, Gawadar can be a southern east or most southern base. Most western base, considering capital as standing location, is Peshwar. Now calculate the distance for yourself.

Read my post and please come again.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

You can't keep such huge projects secret. Some clown will spill the beans sooner than later. After all, there would be hundreds of people involved in such projects. The only way out is to have a deception strategy by making a two or more stretches many miles apart so multiple options are available.


Read, read and read again. For Chrissake, it is the first such IN INDIA!!! It's never been done, tried and tested in India before!

Nations known to utilize the strategy of highways constructed to double as auxiliary airbases in the event of war are Singapore, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Poland, Taiwan, and Russia.

Have I helped you as was your wish?

Seems logical to me. Thanks for being so helpful sir.

On behalf of Arsalan

 

[Armstrong]

Again luxury is an accessory, luxury sounds absurd when a good percentage of people live below poverty line. It makes sense if luxury is indeed a necessity. Maybe we should review the term, what say you?

Look at the map one more, Gawadar can be a southern east or most southern base. Most western base, considering capital as standing location, is Peshwar. Now calculate the distance for yourself.

Read my post and please come again.

There appear to be more than 40 airbases on that map; do we really expect the Indian Airforce to take out even half of them let alone all of them ?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This thread is about Indian expressway? who asked about your opinion about some shitty Pakistani road...


Dont try too hard...its an attempt to derail the thread and get it closed...there are couple of pakistani;s who always provide their shit opinion even when it was not required. and when countered they end up crying and name calling...

Shitty seems a appropriate word for a country that practicality is swimming in it's own crap - We all know India's superb sanitation facelities ...

 

[GR!FF!N]

I remember this one...

Gripen taking off and landed in a highway..

Indian Jaguar has capability to take off from any large field of the size of a football ground.if someone wonders why India never implemented it,the reason is India has so many Civilian Airbases/Airfields and Airbases that they never felt similar needs..

List of airports in India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

many of these Domestic Airports serve dual purpose..in this map,many airfields are missing.

Not to mention dozens of airfields and landing strips never included,as well as Airstrips and helipads of HAL and others...

 

[Abingdonboy]

Look at the map one more time, Gawadar can be a southern east or most southern base. Most western base, considering capital as standing location, is Peshwar. Now calculate the distance for yourself.

Read my post and please come again.

The most Westerly base on that map is Jiwani (I missed that before, sorry) if you are using India as the reference point.


If you are saying Peshawar is the most Western base I don't understand what reference point you are using for that sir, but anyway, apparently Peshawar is 296km from Srinagar airbase or 226km from Uri.

For a comparison one can see that Lahore to air bases in Gwalior in central India is a distance of over 700km, Lahore to Chabua is over 2,000 km and Lahore to Car Nicobar is over 3,000 km(all as the crow/plane flies).

I guess it is quite clear why Pakistan needs to develop such secondary options.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Shitty seems a appropriate word for a country that practicality is swimming in it's own crap - We all know India's superb sanitation facelities .

and pakistan is the top growing country in the world with its biggest industry of terrorism..

 

[Emmie]

The most Westerly base on that map is Jiwani (I missed that before, sorry) if you are using India as the reference point.


If you are saying Peshawar is the most Western base I don't understand what reference point you are using for that sir, but anyway, apparently Peshawar is 296km from Srinagar airbase or 226km from Uri.

Base/airstrip to be used as alternative has to be within Pakistan, instead of periled base why would we use India as reference point? Even if we use India as a reference point it, Jiwani, still isn't most westerly placed base/airstrip. Using Srinagar as a reference point it's more southerly placed and using India in general as a reference point it's southwesterly placed.

I used the capital as reference point and I mentioned that specifically but prolly you didn't read. Used it for a reason, M2 motorway airstrip is closed to flying Nur Khan Airbase and if Nur Khan is in peril using airstrip in Gawadar or most westerly placed base would be sheer stupidity. There are numerous bases around Nur Khan which can be and will be used. Anyway, please find a cluster of bases around Nur Khan in the map.

Tell me if from Pakistani side Halwara is in peril will you utilize your depth ability and move your jets to Kochin?

Unlike IAF, Pakistan has only one front to defend and in war time if our flying base is in danger we'll use a base in its close proximity. That's the reason why I posted a map, there are numerous bases in east and center which can be used. Moving jets to most westerly or deeply placed base or airstrip would serve no purpose.

I don't know what you are trying to put up by polishing depth thingy.

For a comparison one can see that Lahore to Gwalior in central India is a distance of over 700km, Lahore to Chabua is over 2,000 km and Lahore to Car Nicobar is over 3,000 km(all as the crow/plane flies).

I guess it is quite clear why Pakistan needs to develop such secondary options.

Lol, secondary options? Do you think PAF has half a dozen bases at its disposal? At least depth didn't make it to this part of your post, good.

I except much professional posts from your end, cares!

 

[kadamba-warrior]

Again luxury is an accessory, luxury sounds absurd when a good percentage of people live below poverty line. It makes sense if luxury is indeed a necessity. Maybe we should review the term, what say you?

By that logic, India shouldn't even be maintaining an Air Force till the last poor is brought above poverty line - much less build expressways as makeshift runways!

The point (and I thought you knew better) is that India already spends a significant portion of its GDP on welfare programs - so much so that previous government lost elections because it did ONLY that and nothing else. Money hasn't been the problem for a long time now.

If India is lacking in something, it is the honest people in good numbers that are needed to make sure that welfare programs reach all the intended targets. Simply throwing more and more money at this problem is only going to make the fat cats, fatter - while poor continue to be poor!

 

[Arsalan]

You can't keep such huge projects secret. Some clown will spill the beans sooner than later. After all, there would be hundreds of people involved in such projects. The only way out is to have a deception strategy by making a two or more stretches many miles apart so multiple options are available.


It is the first such IN INDIA!!! It's never been done, tried and tested in India before!

Nations known to utilize the strategy of highways constructed to double as auxiliary airbases in the event of war are Singapore, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Poland, Taiwan, and Russia.

For a fighter jet to land on a highway you need...

> An absolutely straight min 3km stretch.
> No street lights in the area.
> No culverts/bridges with abutments.
> No slopes/bumps on the highway.
> A minimum three lanes available.
> Exit/approach from/to the highway.
> 'Runway' lights.
> A makeshift ATC.
> Temp infrastructure for refueling/arming etc.

Have I helped you as was your wish?

Yes you have thanks!!
Infact, you have over cooked it a bit i was just surprised that India do not have any Highway Stripe for aircraft. PAF currently have three four designated patches that can be used as runway.

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That was a simple question i asked dont know why everyone felt insecure, i mean, we are all here to discuss and learn something right?
Anyway, thank for your detailed reply, i really appreciate it.

Unlike smaller nations India has ample territorial depth and thus has not thought it necessary to develop such capabilities to date. There are still plenty of airbases in central India (and is building more in the South) and the Su-30MKI has the range to fly from any base in India to any border without requiring refueling.
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No dear, that is not a valid reason, Russia is much bigger, and the Su30 and all are there planes but they still have this policy, so do many others so being big and operating Su30 is not a reason for not developing road patches that can be used as runway. What about China?? again the have much more geographic depth and use similar heavy fighter jets, still, they also have develop and employ the Highway Stripe policy! There are many examples!