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[Lord Of Gondor]

Random images from back when the IAF was colourful
MiG 21 Type 75

MiG 21 bis (C2312) "Mamba" at Pathankot

From the "Cobras" Sqn.(You can see it just aft of the intake)

A two-tone [yellow and black] colour scheme of a MiG-21bis [C2316], from the No.24 Squadron, flying over the Himalayan mountain ranges.

MiG-21Bis [C2113] somewhere over the Gujarat Coast. The aircraft sports the squadron markings of No.15 Squadron Flying Lances

MiG 21 Type 96

A trio of MiG-21MFs [C1500, C1531 and C1478], from No.108 Squadron, in colourful markings used for air combat training.

@Gomig-21 :I have a feeling that you'll like these images.

 

[X_Killer]

When are Tejas deploying to Pak border?

Also we should send a few squadrons of Tejas to Sikkim ASAP

Only FOC LCA TEJAS would be deployed on Frontline bases.

 

[Gomig-21]

@Gomig-21 :I have a feeling that you'll like these images.

Most definitely. Thank you man.

I saw the video where the IAF Air Marshal took one of those out for a spin. I thought that was very courageous of him.

 

[Etilla]

54 India POW still in Pakistan Jail

Please release them now

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Replying here because another TT with access to CAG reports being a wiseass:

The Bison is BVR engagement capable:

http://toad-design.com/migalley/index.php/jet-aircraft/mig21/mig21-kopyo-radar/
It carries the R77 for such engagements

It's much less vulnerable to Radar guided missiles than other MiG 21 variants owing to reduced Radar signature and an integral Elta EL/L-8222 Electronic Warfare Jamming Pod:

It does point defense extremely well.

Because it deserves it?

https://theaviationist.com/2014/05/02/cope-india-2004-results/

plz cut this crap ...

http://www.cag.gov.in/sites/default...mpliance_Defence_Air_Force_Report_38_2015.pdf

Are you stupid?
None contradict what I've mentioned.

 

[CN_lang66]

Just a question for the indian trolls and non-trolls. Why do indians think their airforce is superior to China when they can't even mass produce their own aircrafts. During a wartime, how is the indian airforce going to fair against China when they can't replenish the downed aircrafts. Do you seriously think some few hundred old mk1s and 24 rafael going to last forever? LOL

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

Just a question for the indian trolls and non-trolls. Why do indians think their airforce is superior to China when they can't even mass produce their own aircrafts. During a wartime, how is the indian airforce going to fair against China when they can't replenish the downed aircrafts. Do you seriously think some few hundred old mk1s and 24 rafael going to last forever? LOL

No one thinks the humble IAF is better than the PLAAAAAAAF, melord.
China Stronk.

 

[X_Killer]

Indian Air Force's new C-130J-30 Super Hercules aircraft on their way to India.
The new aircraft are part of the second order of the 7 C-130J-30s for the second squadron of the type.
Image credits: Hugo Guerra

 

[X_Killer]

Just a question for the indian trolls and non-trolls. Why do indians think their airforce is superior to China when they can't even mass produce their own aircrafts. During a wartime, how is the indian airforce going to fair against China when they can't replenish the downed aircrafts. Do you seriously think some few hundred old mk1s and 24 rafael going to last forever? LOL

It's because IAF/India believes in Quality assured products whereas PLAAF/China depends on Quantity of products.
Rest you can judge.

Cheers

 

[Gomig-21]

No one thinks the humble IAF is better than the PLAAAAAAAF, melord.
China Stronk.

The other thing is; I really think there is a huge misconception with regards to being able to produce fighters in times of peace and equating that to having the ability to replace fighters during times of war. It doesn't work that way. You don't build a fighter and throw it in that easily. It just doesn't work that way, even if a war was a year-long. How many fully operating aircraft can any country produce and throw into the fray in a year, 3? 5? How many downed aircraft will that replace?

No one has an abundance of "almost ready" fighters that can be quickly finished and thrown into a fight. Factor in attrition rate as well. Even the best assembly lines don't work that way. What would make a bigger difference is the ability to churn out weapons as they're being depleted. Even that is not an easy task, just because you have the ability to produce them. You would still need a lot of pre-manufactured shells and warheads and other elements to be ready and shelved and then final fitting to be quickly put together and deployed. How would that work with complete airframes?

Unless you're the US, Russia or China, it's better to have a supplier in the form of a reliable ally which already has functioning AC in large numbers that can quickly deliver them to you and keep up with the attrition rate of a war.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

https://hushkit.net/2017/07/12/flyi...in-conversation-with-air-marshal-matheswaran/

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

This website is a treasure trove!
The articles have epic pictures too...
http://tejasmrca.weebly.com/

 

[Sameer25]

When are Tejas deploying to Pak border?

Also we should send a few squadrons of Tejas to Sikkim ASAP

its not even complete yet and you want it on the Pak border. why dont you delopy all 5 tejas in your inventory to the pak border

It's because IAF/India believes in Quality assured products whereas PLAAF/China depends on Quantity of products.
Rest you can judge.

Cheers

what ever makes you sleep man, china has both quality and quantity over IAF. the IAF isnt able to shoot down J-20s at all but when it comes to regular planes china has the SU-35S which is far Superior than Su-30MKI. China's Su-30MKK, J-11 and J-16 are equal to the MKI. so it is going to come down to piloting skills, which china has better pilots.

 

[desimorty]

Just a question for the indian trolls and non-trolls. Why do indians think their airforce is superior to China when they can't even mass produce their own aircrafts. During a wartime, how is the indian airforce going to fair against China when they can't replenish the downed aircrafts. Do you seriously think some few hundred old mk1s and 24 rafael going to last forever? LOL

Because domestic production doesn't mean crap. In war time, if a full scale war breaks out, a single production line lets say for jet engines can be stopped by hitting it with bombs missiles etc... this is not WW2. This was understood in the cold war. Hence the reason to have large numbers. The Americans realized that their production lines for aircraft would stop and the Russians realized that they're production lines would also stop because of missile and bomber strikes. For this reason the Soviets and Nato kept a huge arsenal in reserve. The Russians also knowingly reduced the quality of the aircraft, tanks and other weapons systems in order for it to be easier build in case of strikes. So its not about what you can build in terms of military weapons, but what you have and how you use it. The only production value that counts in war is replacement ordinance such as bombs, missiles, and bullets.
The Americans and Soviets could ramp up their production to 100 fighters per year in case of war, but was not guaranteed. China can produce what 20? will that help? Also aren't the engines of J-10 still Russian? or have Russian parts? This is why the US doesn't even have 100% domestication in their aircraft. Doesn't make a difference. Only thing it does is create gaps in the economy. Also the reason why they lost so many jobs in America. Sustainability is the key. The PLA and China play the nationlist card far too often. We don't know what china can produce or is license production. The first time J-11 came out, they said reverse engineering. But really it was license production of low end vanilla Su-27 and even in order to get that, the PLA had to purchase 200 directly from Russia. India got the Su-30 MKI line after 20 air frames.
The Indians for their superiority have more quality, training, and most importantly, more airbases on the Indo Tibet border than does PLAAF making it more effective.
I've argued with PLA fan boys in the early days where 52c was Aegis. Turns out its not and heavily unbalanced. The J-11s are domestic, turns out, they are license production. China and Russia both don't tell the details of sales because of the CCP request. Their are a lot of things the IAF and even the PAF are good at and even better than the PLAAF because unlike China. IAF and PAF have fought intense fast wars with mechanized formations and air roles. The one advantage that China has over India is missiles. Its the number of missiles China has that brings into doubt the role of IAF in a India-China war. Same way Indian missiles give doubt to PAF about a Pak-India war.

The other thing is; I really think there is a huge misconception with regards to being able to produce fighters in times of peace and equating that to having the ability to replace fighters during times of war. It doesn't work that way. You don't build a fighter and throw it in that easily. It just doesn't work that way, even if a war was a year-long. How many fully operating aircraft can any country produce and throw into the fray in a year, 3? 5? How many downed aircraft will that replace?

I know, i've been saying that for a while. Its not WW2. Missiles have brought everything under strike range.

No one has an abundance of "almost ready" fighters that can be quickly finished and thrown into a fight. Factor in attrition rate as well. Even the best assembly lines don't work that way. What would make a bigger difference is the ability to churn out weapons as they're being depleted. Even that is not an easy task, just because you have the ability to produce them. You would still need a lot of pre-manufactured shells and warheads and other elements to be ready and shelved and then final fitting to be quickly put together and deployed. How would that work with complete airframes?

Unless you're the US, Russia or China, it's better to have a supplier in the form of a reliable ally which already has functioning AC in large numbers that can quickly deliver them to you and keep up with the attrition rate of a war.

The Americans and Russians have large number in cold reser/ves and the Russians even sell from that stock. India also keeps Migs in cold storage for this purpose. Get and old pilot and an old plane and hope for the best. AFAIK the Mig-23/27 are in cold storage. IDK about the Mig21 bisons. Other Mig-21 variants very found to be unfeasible in storage.

its not even complete yet and you want it on the Pak border. why dont you delopy all 5 tejas in your inventory to the pak border

Dude the JF-17 flies around with a single Falcrum engine. Deemed unsafe in single engine air frame by soviets. Applause to PAF pilots but finger pointing at Pak MoD and politicians. While yes, the JF-17 is operational and out of necessity doing patrols, the IAF still has bisons with R-77 missiles. They could afford to wait for better qaulity.
Also Tejas was designed for high altitude operations. The Tejas frames went through more testing than the JF-17. That should have atleast raised some eyebrows in Pak.

what ever makes you sleep man, china has both quality and quantity over IAF. the IAF isnt able to shoot down J-20s at all but when it comes to regular planes china has the SU-35S which is far Superior than Su-30MKI. China's Su-30MKK, J-11 and J-16 are equal to the MKI. so it is going to come down to piloting skills, which china has better pilots.

They have more. Give them that. But what did it cost them? If they had J-20 why buy Su-35? or parts for that matter? When the MKI reached operation, it was one of the first swing role aircraft. Other being rafale. Typhoon not even operational. Now the MKI needs a MLU. Also did you take into consideration the operations and training exercises the IAF does? Red Flag etc...? The number of airbases near the Indo Tibet border veruses PLAAF airbases? The altitude of the airbases? The IAF still has more quality. The Russians still don't want to sell China anything deemed too sensitive. The CCP won't admit they still buy quality weapons systems from Russia. China did buy blueprints and shipped science test to China for the J-15. The one thing China has is more money. However, there military suffers from more corruption than does Indias. IAF is not dreaming. IAF operates Mirages Sukios and Migs. Perhaps more in the future. They have variety of air to air missiles and air to ground weapons. Possibly the most adapt air force in the world. Both the PLAAF and IAF recoginize their weaknesses. Hence why the bench mark for both air forces is the USAF.
Also the J-20 hasn't impressed any aviator. Just surprised them at the time frame of the project.

 

[X_Killer]

what ever makes you sleep man, china has both quality and quantity over IAF. the IAF isnt able to shoot down J-20s at all but when it comes to regular planes china has the SU-35S which is far Superior than Su-30MKI. China's Su-30MKK, J-11 and J-16 are equal to the MKI. so it is going to come down to piloting skills, which china has better pilots.

Wake up dude,
None of the Chinese jet is quality checked and test.
Will you please share FOC Document for any of the Chinese junk like j-20, j-11, j-10, j-16 or even jf-17. If you are not able to share the same than please put you tale between your legs and get out of Indian stuff.

And good news for you, that US put PAKISTAN in the list of countries which provides safe heaven to Terrorists.

Cheers!