Indian Air Force News & Discussions

[X_Killer]

FC-1 was developed for Pakistan since the start.

The FC-1 traces its origin to the Super-7 fighter programme, a joint Chengdu-Grumman development project worth US$500 million to upgrade the Chengdu J-7 (MiG-21F-13 ‘Fishbed-C’) fighter and the development agreement was signed in 1986 (parallel to TEJAS)

Whereas, the JV and agreement with PAKISTAN was signed in year 1999

Su-35 was purchased for reverse engineering and benchmarking purposes. We need to compare our thrust vectoring engines to a benchmark, else how do we know we have something better or comparable or worse?

Nice way to check/comparing the Capability. Narrow minds always has narrow mentality.
You can go by the process of certification, its Officially way of development and its 100% genuine. But, how do you know when you are addicted to theft procedures.

Anyways, don't ruin this Thread, if you want further communication on this topic than move to a desired thread.

Good Day

 

[Han Patriot]

The FC-1 traces its origin to the Super-7 fighter programme, a joint Chengdu-Grumman development project worth US$500 million to upgrade the Chengdu J-7 (MiG-21F-13 ‘Fishbed-C’) fighter and the development agreement was signed in 1986 (parallel to TEJAS)

Whereas, the JV and agreement with PAKISTAN was signed in year 1999


Nice way to check/comparing the Capability. Narrow minds always has narrow mentality.
You can go by the process of certification, its Officially way of development and its 100% genuine. But, how do you know when you are addicted to theft procedures.

Anyways, don't ruin this Thread, if you want further communication on this topic than move to a desired thread.

Good Day

FC-1 traces it's origin to Super 7, but it is not the same program, we used the technologies developed for Super-7 to create a new program, just like how J-10 was based on J-9 design. One is a program that was cancelled due to American embargo, one was a new program created with Pakistan together with experiences gained from reverse engineering some F-16 technologies provided by Pakistan.

What has benchmarking performance using a foreign jet got to do with certifications? You can keep on certifying your LCA as long as you like, but you won't know the performance compared to a SU-35 until you get one.

If it was just a simple copy and paste, China wouldn't be where she is today. Compare that with your pathetic spoon fed and paid 'TOT'?

 

[X_Killer]

FC-1 traces it's origin to Super 7, but it is not the same program, we used the technologies developed for Super-7 to create a new program, just like how J-10 was based on J-9 design. One is a program that was cancelled due to American embargo, one was a new program created with Pakistan together.

Either you are now getting mad or your are previously mad.
Both FC-1 & JF-17 are same program.
You can check out your official Chinese record.

AGAIN I REQUEST YOU NOT TO DERAIL THIS THREAD LIKE CHINA IS DOING At DOKLAM

 

[Han Patriot]

Either you are now getting mad or your are previously mad.
Both FC-1 & JF-17 are same program.
You can check out your official Chinese record.

AGAIN I REQUEST YOU NOT TO DERAIL THIS THREAD LIKE CHINA IS DOING At DOKLAM

You are the one who started asking this, so I am explaining it to you. FC-1/JF-17 and Super 7 are two different projects. Not sure why you said FC-1/JF-17 failed?

 

[X_Killer]

You are the one who started asking this, so I am explaining it to you. FC-1/JF-17 and Super 7 are two different projects. Not sure why you said FC-1/JF-17 failed?

If you have any Official Document which states that both are not same Projects, than only continue to reply on this topic otherwise keep your fake claims only upto you.

 

[Han Patriot]

If you have any Official Document which states that both are not same Projects, than only continue to reply on this topic otherwise keep your fake claims only upto you.

Then do you have official documents showing that both are the same project?. The burden of proof lies with the claimant. You were the first to state this, please prove it?

 

[ejaz007]

Analysts: India won't ink a single-engine fighter deal before 2019
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi, July 19, 2017 (Photo Credit: Saab)

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/analysts-india-wont-ink-a-single-engine-fighter-deal-before-2019

 

[desimorty]

You are the one who started asking this, so I am explaining it to you. FC-1/JF-17 and Super 7 are two different projects. Not sure why you said FC-1/JF-17 failed?

Super 7 never took off because the americans backed off.
Allow me to explain simply with the Pakistani designation.
F-1
J-7
JF-17
You see what I did there. The JF-17 is a mutilation of the J7. Although with minor improvements. Same is true with the J-10, although done with a more RnD behind it. You can find it in the development tree. China built on the infrastructure it had at the time. You see it with J8 and Q9. Its nothing to be ashamed of. Its a good development model. France used its Mirage designs the same way. China did this with its tanks to get medium tank, put more armour, got heavy tank. Remove the armour got a light tank. Reduces the cost. The Americans did this with the F-22, which is mutilated frame of the F-15 in order to reduce cost. Thats why at certain angles the look alike. However this is not applicable for Tejas, since it is a new air frame with out an existing aircraft manufacturing hub. So things like the AMCA are Tejas in design, mutilated for stealth. Which begs the questions of origins of J-20 and J-31. My thoughts is that the J-20 is just a twin engine J-10. We'll likely see a similar program by the Indians when the finally build a prototype AMCA.

 

[Lord Of Gondor]

K3603 "Nabhadoot" spotting, twice in the last few months, both times transporting CoAS Bipin Rawat:
Army One?

Delivery Flight Dec 9, 2005!

 

[X_Killer]

IAF MiG-29UPG 'Blue 921' armed with an RVV-AE BVRAAM at Zhukovsky.

921 is a temporary Russian tail number for flight testing in Russia. The Indian tail number for this aircraft is KBU3123. Previously the unupgraded aircraft had the KB3123 tail number, addition of 'U' in the tail number prefix denotes that this is the upgraded UPG model.

 

[Anish1]

Analysts: India won't ink a single-engine fighter deal before 2019
By: Vivek Raghuvanshi, July 19, 2017 (Photo Credit: Saab)

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/analysts-india-wont-ink-a-single-engine-fighter-deal-before-2019

India will gets its first Rafale in 2019.

Choice between F-16 and Gripen will be made shortly.

Then the order placed to replace the old Migs

 

[Hindustani78]

Ministry of Defence
16-July, 2017 09:32 IST
Casualty Evacuation by Indian Air Force Helicopters

Air Force Station Jammu was tasked today for casualty evacuation of passengers on board the passenger bus which accidentally tripped down in the valley between Ramban and Banihal.

The task was assigned to AF Stn Jammu and AF Stn Udhampur at 1515 hrs to launch MLH fleet helicopters for transporting the injured (20) and the dead (14) to Jammu. Immediately the first Mi-17V5 was launched from Udhampur at 1534 hrs which carried 12 injured persons to Jammu. The second Mi-17 1V was launched at 1657 hrs from AF Stn Jammu which carried eight injured persons to Jammu.

The third helicopter Mi-17V5 was launched from Udhampur at 1730 hrs and landed at Jammu at 1835 hrs carrying 16 dead bodies (14 Males + 02 Females) to Jammu. The State Govt responded to the situation in time with dedicated effort and sufficient number of ambulances to carry the injured promptly to the hospital and the dead bodies to the mortuary.

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Ministry of Defence

16-July, 2017 11:25 IST
Visit of Chief of the Air Staff to France

Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa PVSM AVSM YSM VM ADC, Chief of the Air Staff is on an official visit to France from 17-20 Jul 17. The visit is intended to further strengthen the existing defence cooperation between the Air Forces of the two countries. The areas of cooperation presently include exchanges in military training courses, mutual visits by subject matter experts and joint air exercises.



During his stay at France the Chief of the Air Staff is scheduled to hold bilateral discussions with the senior military officials of the French Armed Forces. The challenges faced by the Armed Forces of both the countries in the current geo-political scenario are expected to be discussed during these meetings. The main focus of the visit will be on improving bilateral relations, promote Defence ties, and outline further areas of defence cooperation between the two countries. The CAS will visit Headquarters of French Air Force and a few operational Air Bases. The CAS would interact with representatives of Military Aviation Industry in France and visit Indian Rafale PMT Infrastructure. The CAS is also planned to fly a sortie in Rafale.


This visit of the Air Chief would provide further impetus towards increasing defence cooperation between the two Air Forces and pave the way for greater interaction and cooperation in the future.

The Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal B.S. Dhanoa after a sortie in Rafale during his ongoing visit of France on July 18, 2017.

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[Lord Of Gondor]

IAF MiG-29UPG 'Blue 921' armed with an RVV-AE BVRAAM at Zhukovsky.

921 is a temporary Russian tail number for flight testing in Russia. The Indian tail number for this aircraft is KBU3123. Previously the unupgraded aircraft had the KB3123 tail number, addition of 'U' in the tail number prefix denotes that this is the upgraded UPG model.

Although it's looks are weird, the UPG program will make these Fulcrums one of the most capable warriors on the subcontinent.
From memory, the MiG 29s can get airborne in less than two minutes from a QRA position and dominate the IB/LC in less than Five! The MiG 29(Black Archers Sqn) have some of the best close combat pilots on the IAF payroll, IIRC.

 

[Hindustani78]

The Chief of Defence Staff, United Kingdom, Air Chief Marshal Sir Stuart Peach meeting the Vice Chief of the Air Staff, Air Marshal S.B. Deo, in New Delhi on July 20, 2017.

 

[ejaz007]

India will gets its first Rafale in 2019.

Choice between F-16 and Gripen will be made shortly.

Then the order placed to replace the old Migs

And your source is?