Also , I think there will be a trojan sitting inside no matter what we did.
My point never mentioned Trojan from US
Read my post again
My context was , Its the trojan from ...you know who (anyone US/China bcoz you are now picking up system from Commercial shelf)
And bcoz of revised contract
without CISMOA -
Sec 6.1 of Article 28 of the contract between the two governments states "US will be liable for
no penalties in the event that any "malicious code" is detected in the software that governs the P-8I's sensors and systems. " .
Easy said and done we should check and remove Trojan - but where are source codes for all systems running into thousands of lines of programming ???? .
Until you sign CISMOA - No right to cry foul about any Trojan being there (even US has control now to plant software bits to control functioning of avionics and extract relevant data , forget Chinese trojans coming bcoz of non-US equipment suite) .
Who is to be blamed -
US - (No they have every right to do mischief , India has signed contract )
Armed forces (No , until Gov gave them signal , no one would have moved forward)
Gov - (Yes and Yes , should have foreseen problems with CISMOA+BECA+ILA)
If it was so easy ....
Get all cutting edge avionics + put up GPS receiver of choice to receive signals from both Navtrek+Glonass , plus no BECA/CISMOA
all without signing Cismoa ------ much more suited to India and advantage to India ; Correct
But minds sitting in pentagon are not so foolish to allow India do .........
Its the fault of reporting that fails to highlight what equipment is missing from C130 , C17 , P8 of Indian version . That too when country is paying premium price to get Latest version with latest build tech ,
It is like turning blind if we were to believe only Navigation+Communications suits are missing from c130 .
Cismoa is much more than just - crucial avionics, satellite navigation aids, and secure communications equipment missing .
It also has -
Spectrum Management ,
electronic warfare ,
COMSEC ,
OPSEC ,
EMSEC Emission security ,
TRANSEC Transmission security ,
Traffic security ,
Secure Terminal Equipment,
SOI = Signal Operating Instruction
SKL = Simple Key Loader
TPI = Two Person Integrity
STU-III (secure phone)
AKMS = the Army Key Management System .......etc and list goes on .
Is there a substitute of par ---No
Will P8 carry MAD "Magnetic Anomoly Detector" - No
Will c130,c17,P8 carry
IFF device - No
Will C130 carry - Terrain Following radar - No
Will C17,C130 package includes FLIR Night/Bad weather navigation - No
Will c130,c17 carry Jammers --No
Crucial avionics goes missing or is downgraded as was stated by
Gates
Addressing the press after his meetings in New Delhi, a chagrined Robert Gates pointed out, “These agreements have been laying around for quite a while… this is not some new requirement that has just emerged. [These agreements] are preponderantly in India’s benefit, because they give high-tech systems additional high-tech capabilities… are enablers, if you will, to the very highest quality equipment in the Indian armed forces.”
Look at the price we are paying close to 1.1 bill for 6 C130 ,
Canada got c130 for 65 mill a piece . Isreal got 12 C130 for 1.5 bill
Why are we paying additional , still getting sub-standard equipment in comparison to others
1)Extra punch of superioir avionics - But is india getting that ----NO
2)Boeing Global maintenance network called the Globemaster III Sustainment Partnership, or GSP with Allied countries --- charges US $75 million every year -But will India use it ---NO
How does it matter in scenario of operation -
In the 21st century, communications equipment aren’t just some solid state radios where each side only needs to know a particular frequency to communicate on. Communications equipment are highly complex pieces of computerized hardware running equally complex software and encryption products. Sometimes it’s difficult to get the same equipment with the same country to work properly much less trying to conduct joint operations with different countries using different equipment.
You wont be able to place GPS receiver just like that , one get certification from US ITAR laws + Bear the cost of integration+Testing+certification , that too even after paying all the proce for premium equipment .
Communications such as these are only a fraction of what CISMoA can cover. Going back to the air strike scenario, if laser guided bombs are employed, the Indian ground troops may require a laser designator. It’s not just point and the aircraft shoots as the press and media will have you believe. That laser designator must be set to a specific agreed upon frequency of invisible laser light. The laser guided bombs loaded on the aircraft will also be set to accept that specific frequency. You can’t have the enemy using a similar frequency of laser light to direct our bombs back on us . If the frequencies do not match, the bombs won’t register a signal.
Who will guarantee compatibility of every system India purchases , more so security from highlighted part in above quote
A current real world problem for which the U.S. and other allies in the war theater’s (possibly even Indian units) are experiencing issues with unmanned air vehicles (UAV’s) communications. The frequencies are becoming ever more difficult to manage and they are jamming each other, making command and control more and more difficult if not impossible. Actually, the U.S. lost another Reaper last week in Afghanistan for an “unknown” reason which has already been traced to a loss of comm link.
This is where secure Military level GPS with Spectrum Management comes in place
8ak - Indian Defence News
Above are only few disadvantages of purchase without CISMOA
I had to write a long post bcoz IMO Purchase from US is a total compromise on part of Gov
I personally have always opposed this CISMOA+BECA+IGLA framework .
I have raised concerns about this few months back on this same defence.pk forum .
http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...arms-india-stumble-safeguards.html#post882021
