Indian air force has no tactical data link capability?

[GumNaam]

This and many other articles suggest that on 27th February the only functional communication between IAF jets , ground control and AWACS was voice communication and there was not data link as IAF has none.
http://forceindia.net/cover-story/security-expert/

Incorrect. phalcons are capable of data link & israel had upgraded india' mig bisons, m2ks & su30s making all of em data link enabled with the phalcon. I know cuz I read news articles on the old pdf about cooperation between the french dassault, russian mig, sukhoi corporations & isreal with all of em working on integrating their respective manufactured aircrafts with phalcons data link. I remember when isreali engineers started delivering the aircrafts integrated with isreali phalcon data link, all the indian members started jiggling their bellies & yapping "ab kia karay ga Pakistan" and what not. Fast forward to February 27th...indians ko pata lag gaya kay kia karay ga Pakistan?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.time...nt-incommunicado/amp_articleshow/72633716.cms

mister swaheeny is wrong...merely trying to cover up his military's ineptitude...understandable.

Claims are free and people are free to claim without a ground reality.

I can claim that today morning I went to moon for morning walk and just returned.

agreed, you are so right. your party planners should've listening to your advice & "claimed" you shot down 10 F16s instead of just one when the rest of the world says...

AAaah...tea is fantashtik!

 

[Trango Towers]

Turkey used datalink in Syria recently to shoot down two Su-24.

Supposedly both SU-24 were hit with AIM-120C-7 AMRAAMs guided by the RADAR of a Boeing 737 E-7 AEW&C and not the F-16 which kept its radar off.

The SU-24 likely did not even know they were being fire upon until the radar in the AMRAAM turned on seconds before impact and the SU-24 radar warning receiver even had a chance to detect what was happening.

Basically Turkish F-16 fired a missile that was datalinked to a 737, not to the F16 that fired it.

737's radar guided missile to hit the Syrian aircraft, since missile was datalinked using 737's radar and not the F16, the F16 turned off its radar and stayed invisible so the Su-24 hit by F16 had no idea or warning that F16 was even there.

Pakistan should develop a capability like this.

With this capability you dont need fighter aircraft. You need drones with missiles in combat scenarios and Awacs controlling and firing the missiles

 

[GumNaam]

With this capability you dont need fighter aircraft. You need drones with missiles in combat scenarios and Awacs controlling and firing the missiles

Well that's the future.

 

[alee92nawaz]

We had 9 lockon and should have shot all.
This was a great chance .

I think JF-17 with a better BVR will make us more capable of doing that. Having locks and actually shooting down something is bit different. Only those 2 were shot at whom threatened to engage our strike package. Mirages bugged out and Russian raptors were busy dodging

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Turkey used datalink in Syria recently to shoot down two Su-24.

Supposedly both SU-24 were hit with AIM-120C-7 AMRAAMs guided by the RADAR of a Boeing 737 E-7 AEW&C and not the F-16 which kept its radar off.

The SU-24 likely did not even know they were being fire upon until the radar in the AMRAAM turned on seconds before impact and the SU-24 radar warning receiver even had a chance to detect what was happening.

Basically Turkish F-16 fired a missile that was datalinked to a 737, not to the F16 that fired it.

737's radar guided missile to hit the Syrian aircraft, since missile was datalinked using 737's radar and not the F16, the F16 turned off its radar and stayed invisible so the Su-24 hit by F16 had no idea or warning that F16 was even there.

Pakistan should develop a capability like this.

And, all under the intense EW environment implemented by the indigenous systems!! Even the optoelecytonic and high frequency high power semiconductor devices have been designed, developed and fabricated in Turkey....

Now, consider the following scenario in the Indo-Pak context, where IAF has the demonstrated propensity to get into a panic mode after losing a couple of their jets:

• Fully autonomous AI/Deep-ML based and well "trained" (by the highly capable human pilots) PAF UAV fighter jets are flying in a net centric fashion at an altitude where nominal jet fighter pilots can't physically withstand the environmental condition for more than a couple of minutes
• The UAV jets are equipped with EW pods, having GaN based modules, to jam the enemy radar signals and create phantom images to deceive the enemy. Moreover, they have some low-cost sensor fusions, borrowing from the 5th gen concepts, and RAM coating to "spice up" the game
• The UAV jets have switched their AESA radars off. They are using low-power and ultra-secured micro-sat based links with the powerful AWACS, physically located far away off the front, to fire BVR missiles at the IAF jets
• Now, these UAV fighter jets are incredibly low cost, compared to fighters with "brand" names, with 100% indigenous components including engines, missiles, EW pods, radars, communication links, micro-sats etc. Hence, immune from "commercial" hacking to a large extent. Moreover, they can be put into the action in a very large number without any qualms of losing human pilots
• The Turkish folks are working day and night in multiple projects to have such a fleet of UAV fighter jets by 2023

Well that's the future.

As far as the Turkish folks are concerned it needs to be "present" ASAP...

 

[GumNaam]

As far as the Turkish folks are concerned it needs to be "present" ASAP...

It will be sha Allah! In sha Allah!

 

[Beast]

i think future bvr should be AI based capable of detecting and hitting targets on their own without need of datalink from awacs after being fired

Not possible. Can you install a very powerful radar inside a small missile? Powerful radar that can cover hundred to thousand miles equal to bigger the better.

AWACS are powerful becos of themassive size of their emitter and radar dome.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Whatever Pakistan does can be easily implemented by India

Offtopic gibberish. Post reported.

 

[Secularindian]

Read article Before posting

India Has this capability From 10 years It was Only Last year It start Procurement

While the HAL-developed SDR-2010 has been available since 2011, it was only last year that the IAF commenced efforts on procuring 473 + 3,125 SDRs worth Rs 630 crore (including the integral tactical data-link component) for achieving real-time connectivity between all IAF aircraft/helicopters and the IACCCS’ terrestrial and airborne combat and combat-support elements. For its 83 projected Tejas Mk.1A L-MRCAs, the IAF has specified RAFAEL of Israel’s BNET-AR SDR for installation. However, the IAF’s first combat aircraft to possess such tactical data-links will be the 36 Rafale M-MRCAs that are destined for re-equipping the No.17 ‘Golden Arrows’ and No.101 ‘Falcons’ squadrons at Ambala and Hashimara, respectively.

For supplying the BNET-AR SDRs to the IAF, Hyderabad-based Astra Microwave Products Ltd and RAFAEL Advanced Defense Systems Ltd of Israel have formed a joint venture company called Astra Rafael Comsys Pvt Ltd (ARC) that will carry out production, integration, customisation, marketing, sale, life-cycle support and additional activities connected with the operationalisation of the BNET-AR SDRs. The ARC plant is spread across an area of 48,000 square feet, the ARC plant in Hardware Tech-Park (In the close vicinity of Rajiv Gandhi International Airport in Hyderabad.

 

[Nefarious]

Whatever Pakistan does can be easily implemented by India because of massive economic strength and manpower, in every field India is leading.. forget technology and military in medical, agri all we r leading, why dear Pak bros why dont u build better hospitals to treat poor, why ur poor country men r flocking to India for medical treatment.. just think it over.. most of the post i read like.. am sure, my friend in army said, Inshanalla, i bet all. BS. Ive been in this group for less than month and my Pak bro r in a dreamy world as PMIK dreamt abt a Massive oil find in the sea,

Stop wasting peoples time with off topic bull. Bois locker room is missing you.

 

[Yaseen1]

bvr can reach max to 200km range and I was meaning of datalink after missile is fired from jet which involves 200km distance,before missile is fired awacs work is needed as in past

Not possible. Can you install a very powerful radar inside a small missile? Powerful radar that can cover hundred to thousand miles equal to bigger the better.

AWACS are powerful becos of themassive size of their emitter and radar dome.

 

[notorious_eagle]

Turkey used datalink in Syria recently to shoot down two Su-24.

Supposedly both SU-24 were hit with AIM-120C-7 AMRAAMs guided by the RADAR of a Boeing 737 E-7 AEW&C and not the F-16 which kept its radar off.

The SU-24 likely did not even know they were being fire upon until the radar in the AMRAAM turned on seconds before impact and the SU-24 radar warning receiver even had a chance to detect what was happening.

Basically Turkish F-16 fired a missile that was datalinked to a 737, not to the F16 that fired it.

737's radar guided missile to hit the Syrian aircraft, since missile was datalinked using 737's radar and not the F16, the F16 turned off its radar and stayed invisible so the Su-24 hit by F16 had no idea or warning that F16 was even there.

Pakistan should develop a capability like this.

Pakistan already has this capability.

The front line fighters of PAF are data-linked to PAF's Aerial and Ground Assets. PAF has developed one of the most sophisticated C4I system in the world and something we can be proud off. PAF realized long time ago it cannot match IAF modern fighter for modern fighter. Best strategy would be to acquire multiple force multipliers and integrate them into the force which gives PAF's fighters more legs/range.

 

[Beast]

Datalink is not something sophisticated thing in the 21th century warfare...

The most sophisticated one are able to withstand lvl 2 ECM jamming and at the same time maintain high refresh rate and fast transmission.

Something like telecom of 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G... Depend on which level u are at.

IAF I believed do have datalink but the problem is if your datalink has weak transmission and low encrypted lvl. There is no point using datalink becos your enemy can tap and know all your unit positions. That will be disaster. That maybe be reason IAF off the datalink during the aerial battle.

German panzer during WWII gain advantage with every tank unit having a radio which helps to coordinate mass panzer attack but as the war worn on , allies tap into German insecure radio system and know where German panzer unit heading too..

The German in the end, abandon radio set and resort to flag and hand signal to coordinate later stage of armour warfare in WWII.

 

[Jungibaaz]

We had 9 lockon and should have shot all.
This was a great chance .

What PAF did was already perfect, even with two shot down and local air superiority achieved, IAF was sidelined by their own leadership later. Indians moved to launch BrahMos strikes on us, they were to target our port infrastructure in the South. We would not have a the ability to respond without significantly escalating.

Indians were apparently already very recklessly shunning the usual lines of communication and de-escelation that day. With one abhinandan captured, the other jet they lost was effectively covered up. More losses could not been hidden, they would be then very strongly compelled to escalate. To impel the gravity of the situation, the next morning they had BrahMos and we had Shaheen SSMs ready to go at one another. Indians at every stage behaved recklessly, from the initial strike in Balakot, to their intended method of escalation. We did the opposite and it paid off.

 

[Smoke]

Claims are free and people are free to claim without a ground reality.

I can claim that today morning I went to moon for morning walk and just returned.

Except that you'd be full of shit as missions to the moon are usually breaking news. I think you mean you finally found a toilet and you could finally rest your own moon down on the porcelain.