India vehemently ratifies the two nation theory after 8 decades of denial.

[Vinod2070]

The indian state is separate from the indian people in my opinion, and it the indian state that seeks to dominate and brow beat my nation.

Regarding poverty and backwardness - we are fighting a similar battle, I wish indian people God speed in tackling these problems.

Well, you are welcome to believe that. I doubt your hatred is related to anything we do or don't do.

 

[Rafi]

I knew that would be your best bet and I actually typed it out before deleting it - waiting for your answer - We enjoy meddling with your insecurities. I do appreciate the admins of this forum - not because that they are Pakistani's but because they are - inspite of it.

"meddling with insecurities" ehmm - that is a classic sign of inferiority complex, thank you for proving my contention.

 

[Vinod2070]

And your opinion about Hazrat Muhammed Ali Jinnah, Quaid-E-Azam is also completely and utterly irrelevant. Also remember this is a Pakistani forum and you are a guest here.

He was an Indian for far longer than he was a Pakistani.

Though I will never abuse him or belittle him as he is a leader of another country that respects him.

I am just discussing facts here that can't be disputed.

 

[illusion8]

"meddling with insecurities" ehmm - that is a classic sign of inferiority complex, thank you for proving my contention.

That's not called inferiority complex - I would say - it's more sadist in nature - but no where near an inferiority complex.

 

[Rafi]

TNT makes your geography just an accident. It is just the faith that define Pakistan and Pakistanis.

So your assertions of any history based on geography is revisionism.

Though this is something I welcome personally.
BTW, do you think the bolded portion is halal.

What has halal got to do with it.

 

[Secur]

Well, for now I will just leave it at this to say that apply the same standards to Modi.

We can have this discussion on Jinnah's cupability some other time.

Unfortunately , there's compelling evidence against the former and a notorious reputation . Lets leave it for other time , though I expected better for " A question for all " .

 

[Rafi]

He was an Indian for far longer than he was a Pakistani.

Though I will never abuse him or belittle him as he is a leader of another country that respects him.

I am just discussing facts here that can't be disputed.

Those are not facts, but biased opinions based upon your nationality and ethnic and religious identity.

 

[Emmie]

What "back up"? You just have to see the facts.

The Hindu Sikh population reduced from 15%-20% to <2%-3% under his watch. These are facts that no one can deny.

Also the fact that Muslim league guards (ex army) on horsebacks presided over these massacres and genocides and ethnic cleansing.

So a riot under his rule makes Modi a terrorist while an ethnic cleanising on a much biggest scale makes Jinnah a saint?

Prove the bold part or take your words back...

And please find another analogy... Kahan Raja bhoj..................................!

 

[Vinod2070]

Unfortunately , there's compelling evidence against the former and a notorious reputation . Lets leave it for other time , though I expected better for " A question for all " .

Well, we can go deeper but many of your compatriots are already complaining.

And no one has provided any response so far to the question raised by me.

 

[Rafi]

That's not called inferiority complex - I would say - it's more sadist in nature - but no where near an inferiority complex.

Sadist, well seeing as how horrible and wretched india is and was - and the sadistic nature of how indians treat each other, I think we can safely add sadism onto your national inferiority psychosis.

 

[illusion8]

Sadist, well seeing as how horrible and wretched india is and was - and the sadistic nature of how indians treat each other, I think we can safely add sadism onto your national inferiority psychosis.

I confess I am and am sad about it, I might in some level revel that Pakistan is much more pathetic than any country in the world and how gifted we are compared to Pakistani's, who - apparently separated from us looking for a better future - but its amazing to see how pathetically they failed in their failed endeavor. The more I read about Pakistan the more I figure that even Bihar and UP is far more blessed than the wretchedness that surrounds our neighbor and I am serious about it - I would have felt the same if I was a honest Pakistani.

 

[Vinod2070]

Sadist, well seeing as how horrible and wretched india is and was - and the sadistic nature of how indians treat each other, I think we can safely add sadism onto your national inferiority psychosis.

Well, we have not killed 15000 Shia, taken them down from buses and killed if their names sounded like Shia?

Itni kyon naraazi hai.

Hawa subah ki taazi hai...

 

[Rafi]

Opposite of haram in this case.

Can a land be holy in Islam? That too a non Arabic land?

We surely consider the land of ancient India a holy land and I have seen some Pakistani liken it to "but parasti".

I have also seen some Pakistanis write that they are willing to sacrifice the whole land of Pakistan a thousand times for a single grain of Arabic desert sand. That too on a Pakistani forum.

So it is a bit interesting...

For me Pakistan was, is and will remain a Holy Land, it is why we call it our Motherland, the relationship with ones Mother is holy, Paradise is described as being from under ones mothers feet.

And the Motherland is the ultimate manifestation of that.

Those Pakistanis - who do say that are in a clear minority, the vast majority of Pakistanis love their country, and consider it holy.

 

[Koovie]

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Today after 8 decades of self inflicted denial the Hindu majority of India have finally ratified the two nation theory for themselves, by themselves on the democratic ballot box without compulsion or coercion. A resounding victory for the Hindu nationalist leader Narendra Modi indeed is a new chapter in South Asian history. For his Hindu nation he represents a strong leader, for Muslims of India he remains the butcher of Gujarat with blood on his hands.

With his fundamental support coming from the right wing Hindu camp of the BJP being sufficient for such a victory, the BJP did not care about the Muslim vote for the first time ever. They were simply sidelined as no effective election campaign was mounted to attract the Muslim vote. This electoral segregation will have a deep imprint and strategic implications on Indian social makeup of the future. Since the Muslim vote is not included, their participation in an overwhelmingly BJP govt will cease to exist.

For Pakistan it marks the end of an ideological battle spanning 8 decades. This is a victory we must celebrate, as our historic pretext has dawned into the day of correctness and approval. Visionaries who coined the two nation theory saw this day coming 8 decades ago. Its because of their genius, connection to our past, hard work and sacrifices that we Pakistanis today see the dawn of a day which proved us 'historically right' from this side of the border. It also therefore proves that the struggle of our ancestors for independence was both historically correct and strategically right, henceforth the long treacherous journey, that has tested the Pakistani time and again, has been worth it.

What tomorrow holds for India's Muslim is unknown, though for us we can finally rest this debate and move on with our nation building, knowing that our struggle had been righteous despite the tact of Gandhi and Nehru in order to convince our forefathers to the contrary. Those who asked us for proofs and ridiculed us, themselves have democratically ratified the robustness and righteousness of our historic narrative.

Let it be a source of humility and confidence for the Pakistani, as those who conspired to mislead our march in the past, today find themselves marching willingly and proudly along a parallel route, the same route our ancestors had created. Today we can safely write this for the historians that the future of sub continent was shaped by none other than our ancestors.

"The truth can only be delayed"

Aeronaut.

Nonsense. This vote only showed that many Indians voted for the real issues of the nation instead on religion and other communal issues.

In fact, Muslim voters could have simply "voted up" the number of Muslim MP´s in the LS, but they did not do it this time.

Poll data shows large number of Muslims voted for Modi


Read more at: Poll data shows large number of Muslims voted for Modi : Highlights, News - India Today

Poll data shows large number of Muslims voted for Modi : Highlights, News - India Today


And concerning the two nation theory,
India is not a religious state and never will be. Its embedded in the very first lines of our constitution and cannot be changed, except if there is a 2/3 majority. Apart from that, that would obviously break apart the national integrity.

 

[Vinod2070]

For me Pakistan was, is and will remain a Holy Land, it is why we call it our Motherland, the relationship with ones Mother is holy, Paradise is described as being from under ones mothers feet.

And the Motherland is the ultimate manifestation of that.

Those Pakistanis - who do say that are in a clear minority, the vast majority of Pakistanis love their country, and consider it holy.

In some ways you still are carrying your pre-Islamic Dharmic culture that has dominated this holy land for tens of thousands of years.

Well, I am personally glad for that.