India vehemently ratifies the two nation theory after 8 decades of denial.

[Rafi]

We all know the things he banned he did so in the name of modernization yet he was still a Muslim he opened a ministry of religious affairs and started appointing state run Imams instead of any tom dick or harry opening up a mosque, heck Pakistan should have a similar system to check the crazy Mullahs.

BTW many of things he did like banning hijab was also done by the Shah of Iran at one point in time yet no one claimed he hated Islam only Ataturk has such accusations leveled at him. Anyway @xenon54 @Kaan @T-123456 can explain this better to you that their leader had no problem with religion, if he did they would not be Muslims today.

Yeah the deobandis who were against Pakistan leveled many accusations against him but this is what perhaps the most influential Muslim of the time had to say about Muhammad Ali Jinnah- Ameer e Millat Pir Syed Jamaat Ali Shah
Pir Syed Jamat Ali Shah Naqshbandi | Journey of a Seeker Of Sacred Knowledge

Some wretched fellow once made an abortive attempt to assassinate Quaid-e-Azam. Before long, Hazrat Qibla-e-Alam forwarded to the latter a consignment, which included a number of gift items, including the Holy Quran ; a prayer mat; a rosary; a shawl; a woollen cloth; and certain other valuables. Hazrat Qibla-e-Alam wrote in the letter that accompanied these gifts: “The nation has selected me as Ameer-e-Millat, and the invaluable efforts that you have been making for the establishment of Pakistan are truly appreciated, but are basically a part of my job. Nevertheless, I am now a man of over 100 years of age who has been overtaken by physical weakness and frailty. Therefore, you are, in fact, carrying my burden. Yet, I am duty bound to assist you in every possible manner.” He further urged that Quaid-e-Azam persist with his endeavours and predicted that the latter would definitely achieve his goal.

In reply, Quaid-e-Azam wrote: “It is an honour for me to receive the blessings of elders like you, and I can say that I have, sort of, reached the victory stand even at this moment. Let me assure you that no matter what obstacles come in my way, I will not retreat!” He added: “Your kind gift of the Holy Koran signifies that I am a leader of the Muslims. It is more than obvious that my leadership would be inconse-quential in the event that I am not knowledgeable about the Holy Koran and the Islamic law. I promise that I will study the Holy Koran, for which purpose I have already ordered various English translations and am on the lookout for some religious scholar who can teach me Koranic injunctions in English. Your second gift of the prayer mat denotes that when I do not obey Allah’s commands, how could I expect the public to abide by my directives. I assure you that I will offer my prayers regularly from now on. The gift of rosary demands that I recite benediction and salutation for Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam How can Allah’s blessings descend on a person who does not invoke Allah’s blessings for the Holy Prophet? I will certainly comply with this gesture, too.”

Hazrat Qibla-e-Alam was extremely pleased to get this reply and said: “At present, I am in Hyderabad,” [the city he was staying in at that time] “while Jinnah Sahib is in Bombay. From that far away location, how did he ever get to know about my motives, despite the fact that I never even mentioned them to anybody? For certain, Jinnah Sahib enjoys a special position in the realm of sainthood!”

At the 1946 All-India Sunni Conference, he publicly exclaimed (to counter those who accused Jinnah of being non-Muslim), “Jinnah is an intimate of God.” The conference was attended by 500 shaykhs, 7000 ulama, and over 100,000 other people, which encouraged the Muslim League to form Pakistan.

So despite some mullahs being against Muhammad Ali Jinnah the most influential power breaking Imams all supported MAJ, even the Caliph of the Ahmadis and the Aga Khan of the Ismaili Shias spoke out in support of the Quaid.


As for me being lashed for adultery sure next time I invite three people to come watch I can be lashed 100 times.

Drinking alchohol is a sin as is adultery and such things are between man and maker I can give two hoots what you think, there is only one sin which Allah swt will never forgive but these types of things are too much for pagan jahils to understand so stick to your religion and leave ours to us.

@Vinod2070

His interest in seeing you lashed, does speak to latent sado-macism - this little indian is bent.

We all know the things he banned he did so in the name of modernization yet he was still a Muslim he opened a ministry of religious affairs and started appointing state run Imams instead of any tom dick or harry opening up a mosque, heck Pakistan should have a similar system to check the crazy Mullahs.

BTW many of things he did like banning hijab was also done by the Shah of Iran at one point in time yet no one claimed he hated Islam only Ataturk has such accusations leveled at him. Anyway @xenon54 @Kaan @T-123456 can explain this better to you that their leader had no problem with religion, if he did they would not be Muslims today.

Yeah the deobandis who were against Pakistan leveled many accusations against him but this is what perhaps the most influential Muslim of the time had to say about Muhammad Ali Jinnah- Ameer e Millat Pir Syed Jamaat Ali Shah
Pir Syed Jamat Ali Shah Naqshbandi | Journey of a Seeker Of Sacred Knowledge

Some wretched fellow once made an abortive attempt to assassinate Quaid-e-Azam. Before long, Hazrat Qibla-e-Alam forwarded to the latter a consignment, which included a number of gift items, including the Holy Quran ; a prayer mat; a rosary; a shawl; a woollen cloth; and certain other valuables. Hazrat Qibla-e-Alam wrote in the letter that accompanied these gifts: “The nation has selected me as Ameer-e-Millat, and the invaluable efforts that you have been making for the establishment of Pakistan are truly appreciated, but are basically a part of my job. Nevertheless, I am now a man of over 100 years of age who has been overtaken by physical weakness and frailty. Therefore, you are, in fact, carrying my burden. Yet, I am duty bound to assist you in every possible manner.” He further urged that Quaid-e-Azam persist with his endeavours and predicted that the latter would definitely achieve his goal.

In reply, Quaid-e-Azam wrote: “It is an honour for me to receive the blessings of elders like you, and I can say that I have, sort of, reached the victory stand even at this moment. Let me assure you that no matter what obstacles come in my way, I will not retreat!” He added: “Your kind gift of the Holy Koran signifies that I am a leader of the Muslims. It is more than obvious that my leadership would be inconse-quential in the event that I am not knowledgeable about the Holy Koran and the Islamic law. I promise that I will study the Holy Koran, for which purpose I have already ordered various English translations and am on the lookout for some religious scholar who can teach me Koranic injunctions in English. Your second gift of the prayer mat denotes that when I do not obey Allah’s commands, how could I expect the public to abide by my directives. I assure you that I will offer my prayers regularly from now on. The gift of rosary demands that I recite benediction and salutation for Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam How can Allah’s blessings descend on a person who does not invoke Allah’s blessings for the Holy Prophet? I will certainly comply with this gesture, too.”

Hazrat Qibla-e-Alam was extremely pleased to get this reply and said: “At present, I am in Hyderabad,” [the city he was staying in at that time] “while Jinnah Sahib is in Bombay. From that far away location, how did he ever get to know about my motives, despite the fact that I never even mentioned them to anybody? For certain, Jinnah Sahib enjoys a special position in the realm of sainthood!”

At the 1946 All-India Sunni Conference, he publicly exclaimed (to counter those who accused Jinnah of being non-Muslim), “Jinnah is an intimate of God.” The conference was attended by 500 shaykhs, 7000 ulama, and over 100,000 other people, which encouraged the Muslim League to form Pakistan.

So despite some mullahs being against Muhammad Ali Jinnah the most influential power breaking Imams all supported MAJ, even the Caliph of the Ahmadis and the Aga Khan of the Ismaili Shias spoke out in support of the Quaid.


As for me being lashed for adultery sure next time I invite three people to come watch I can be lashed 100 times.

Drinking alchohol is a sin as is adultery and such things are between man and maker I can give two hoots what you think, there is only one sin which Allah swt will never forgive but these types of things are too much for pagan jahils to understand so stick to your religion and leave ours to us.

@Vinod2070

 

[Rafi]

He is a bitter person idk why he bothers to come to pdf of all places since he hates Pakistanis so much. I agree most probably his father was a Pakistani who ran out on his mother and poor vinod has been a spiteful hindutva ever since.

Yes he suffers from what is known as the Oedipal Complex, that is why he hates on us, Pakistanis - very good observation Mamba bro, are you a psychologist or psychiatrist in your professional life.

 

[VelocuR]

You have no answer. These things did happen on his watch and you can't deny that.

For Pakistanis to start worrying about religious minorities in other places is more than a little ironic.

It is interesting that you should be so worried about secularism in India when it has nothing to do with you. It is our internal matter.

As I said, I don't want to waste my times, you illiterate uneducated filthy Indians.

You can continue to attack Islam if you want, all of your posts are REPORTED

 

[Secur]

It is funny that 1000 people killed in a riot (these included almost 300 Hindus) when he had just become a chief minister, make Modi a "terrorist". Even though Muslims are propering in Gujarat and increasing in population just like all over India. Hundreds of rioters (mostly Hindu) were killed in Police firing in that riot (something they just ignore).

By the same token, what would these Pakistani call Mr. Jinnah? He presided over almost complete ethnic cleansing of Hindu Sikhs (led by Muslim league guards on horses, sponsored by Muslim league and official machinery)?

Let's see if any of these people can answer this. Any one of them!



You have no answer. Because I mentioned facts.

And yes, Raja Purushottam was a Hindu and a staunch Dharmic Indian.

Presided over ? Sponsored ? Now , this is a strong claim , care to back it up for one ? Remember , we do not ask the Nazi's the image of the Fuhrer .

 

[Iggy]

As I said, I don't want to waste my times, you illiterate uneducated filthy Indians.

You can continue to attack Islam if you want, all of your posts are REPORTED

I hope you feel better about yourself!!

 

[Rafi]

Also, people East of Indus and West of Indus don't share anything in common except a common religion.

And you know this how, please reveal to us your years of scientific research on the cultural and historical links of east of Indus and west of Indus. Come on professor indic - your bias and prejudice knows no bounds.

 

[Vinod2070]

Presided over ? Sponsored ? Now , this is a strong claim , care to back it up for one ? Remember , we do not ask the Nazi's the image of the Fuhrer .

What "back up"? You just have to see the facts.

The Hindu Sikh population reduced from 15%-20% to <2%-3% under his watch. These are facts that no one can deny.

Also the fact that Muslim league guards (ex army) on horsebacks presided over these massacres and genocides and ethnic cleansing.

 

[M. Sarmad]

just some fancy comment. As I wrote

Choose First Speech of 22 March 1940: Pakistan was meant to be a nation exclusive for Muslims, where they won't have to live with Hindus.
Choose Second Speech 11 August 1947: Pakistan was meant to be a secular state where Hindu and Muslims will live together.

With this conflicting speeches, entire Pakistan still confused after 7 decades.

Alright my little Indian friend , prove this , or else quit trolling .......


@Aeronaut @Emmie ... this thread was posted in senior`s cafe for serious discussion I believe , and look at the Indian trolls trying to ruin the thread . Check this @Vinod2070 guy for example ..... the thread needs to be cleaned and a few trolls need to be banned here ....

 

[Iggy]

@Azlan Haider to be fair Vinod didnt started it.. What he is asking is a valid question..

 

[Rafi]

This vinod guy needs to see a doctor - his hatred is consuming him from inside like termites. Sad to see a human being - so obsessed - with something he presumes to hate.

 

[Rafi]

Back to the topic at hand, now that our little indian friend vinod - has taken his medication.

I am glad modi has won, this will make more visible the fissures in indian society more apparent. Which will allow our people to take advantage.

I have only retorted after people attacked my religion.

You filth should know that.

And anyway you have nothing here so no need to respond.

Calm down my little indian friend, it is not good for your sanity.

 

[Secur]

What "back up"? You just have to see the facts.

The Hindu Sikh population reduced from 15%-20% to <2%-3% under his watch. These are facts that no one can deny.

Also the fact that Muslim league guards (ex army) on horsebacks presided over these massacres and genocides and ethnic cleansing.

So a riot under his rule makes Modi a terrorist while an ethnic cleanising on a much biggest scale makes Jinnah a saint?

If I am supposed to take your word instead of getting proof/evidence for what you claim , I really wouldn't bother to carry on this discussion . So , where a credible source confirming what you said ?

 

[illusion8]

What "back up"? You just have to see the facts.

The Hindu Sikh population reduced from 15%-20% to <2%-3% under his watch. These are facts that no one can deny.

Also the fact that Muslim league guards (ex army) on horsebacks presided over these massacres and genocides and ethnic cleansing.

So a riot under his rule makes Modi a terrorist while an ethnic cleanising on a much biggest scale makes Jinnah a saint?

@Vinod2070, the fact that they cleansed Pakistani Punjab by slaughter of Hindus and of Sikhs makes them no better than Indian Punjabi's who retaliated in equal measure does not put them in any higher level plus the ethnic cleansing of Bangladeshi's of 1971 and other minorities of the present day Pakistani's does not even give them a moral ground to question India where the Muslim minority ls growing by leaps and bounds in India compared to the minorities of Pakistan who are being systematically getting eradicated as we speak leaves little to be spoken about the present state of Pakistan. We should strongly condemn the occurrence - but the fact that we do not expect anything better from Pakistan is a fact. The days of Pakistani minorities are numbered - they will either be killed or will be forcibly be converted by rape or kidnapping is not surprising.

 

[Vinod2070]

@Vinod2070, the fact that they cleansed Pakistani Punjab by slaughter of Hindus and of Sikhs makes them no better than Indian Punjabi's who retaliated in equal measure does not put them in any higher level plus the ethnic cleansing of Bangladeshi's of 1971 and other minorities of the present day Pakistani's does not even give them a moral ground to question India where the Muslim minority ls growing by leaps and bounds in India compared to the minorities of Pakistan who are being systematically getting eradicated as we speak leaves little to be spoken about the present state of Pakistan. We should strongly condemn the occurrence - but the fact that we do not expect anything better from Pakistan is a fact. The days of Pakistani minorities are numbered - they will either be killed or will be forcibly be converted by rape or kidnapping is not surprising.

Well, they have already turned on other Muslims for decades now.

First it was Ahmedis (with enthusiastic backing of the Shia) and now it is the turn of the Shia.

Then of course the Sufi followers etc. etc.

 

[M. Sarmad]

@Azlan Haider to be fair Vinod didnt started it.. What he is asking is a valid question..

No , he isn`t asking any valid questions , it is the usual BS one can expect from Indian trolls . And if he wants to discuss this , he may open a new thread for that . He started it or not , but now he is trying to insult Jinnah and Islam with his stupid rants and he is derailing this thread ...