India turns down US plans to counter China

[E Pencho]

You're welcome china.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Why should we thank you?

I would prefer it if you gave up the nonsense about having an "independent foreign policy" and let the US have military bases on your soil, like another Indian was threatening me with yesterday.

That way, India will never be a "pole" in a multipolar world. You'll just be an extension of another great power (America), not one in your own right.

That is the best long-term solution for us. One less future competitor to worry about.

Well, they don't need bases in other countries these days. Also, maintaining bases in other countries is extremely expensive.

I am still not sure as to how India's foreign policy is being shaped. Right now, we can't really say anything because nothing in their policy is certain.

If you want my opinion, India can start of with improving relations with its neighbors before going in with the "big boys" if you know what I mean

See, their media even claimed that there is going to be a US naval base in my country. Of-course, this claim was officially denied by the US not once, but twice. And their media pushed it again even after the US ambassador to Bangladesh denied it for the first time.
US envoy denies presence of Spl Forces in Bangladesh
US plans naval base in Ctg: Indian TV | Bangladesh | bdnews24.com
http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=236775

The intent according to some here is to turn some sections of Bangladeshi society toward being anti-American. Easy to do and perceive by others since it is a Muslim-majority country if you know what I mean.

If that succeeds (i.e. turning the majority of Bangladeshis into being anti-American), that would justify India's control over Bangladesh and contain or destroy the "Razakars" they keep whelping about. And in turn, ensure they have complete control over their volatile north eastern parts.

The report of this naval base in Chittagong, Bangladesh was done for the sole purpose of propaganda according to some here.

Naive and a cheesy intent if you ask me. At times I've come to think that those people are indoctrinated to hate their neighbors through their schools and media. I don't know...

Bottom line: Don't buy anything the Indians claim until their foreign policy goes more with the flow of the interests of its neighbors. Not just a "I eat everything while you starve" attitude. Those guys always expect too many free meals. We all know there's no such thing.

 

[cyphercide]

Bottom line: Don't buy anything the Indians claim until their foreign policy goes more with the flow of the interests of its neighbors. Not just a "I eat everything while you starve" attitude. Those guys always expect too many free meals. We all know there's no such thing.

In what has been and will always be,regardless of which government is in power,India chooses to be non aligned.We talk trade and cooperation with everyone;Be it Israel or Iran,Russia or the United States,Communists or Capitalists etc.

It ain't that hard to comprehend.The only people who find that mantra too hard to fathom are usually ones with malice in their own intent. Hence,we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

 

[notsuperstitious]

In what has been and will always be,regardless of which government is in power,India will always choose to be non aligned.We talk trade and cooperation with everyone;Be it Israel or Iran,Russia or the United States,Communists or Capitalists etc.

It ain't that hard to comprehend.The only people who find that mantra too hard to comprehend are usually ones with malice in their own intent. Hence we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Very well said. India has remained independent and non aligned throughout and pursued a policy of good working relations with everyone. We have good relations with Singapore - Malaysia, Iran - US, UK - France, Saudi - Israel etc etc because we try to be pragmatic.

Indias small neighbors whine too much. If india's neighbors want good relations then they must offer business, and i don't mean the illegal cow smuggling.

 

[cyphercide]

Indias small neighbors whine too much. If india's neighbors want good relations then they must offer business, and i don't mean the illegal cow smuggling.

Let's not open that can of worms...

 

[fly2012]

Good for India, same old Divide and Conquer trick to maintain the edge. One line a British guy drew 100+ years between India and China still cause animosity between the two countries today, as this is not sad enough.

 

[IND151]

this news is not surprising

India only does things which are in our favor

we have no intention to contain China unless China does something which poses us great threat

china already has acknowledged that India ocean is India's influence zone and sends its ships in Indian ocean only to show that they have a fleet





http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...terview-yekaterina-kudashkina.html?highlight=

He is a Pakistani dude.. Tasked to screw up good vibes between Indians and Chinese on this forum..

??????????

Thanks buddy.

Which language is that, and what is Ram Ram?

when hindus in India meet their friends or relatives , they say Rama Rama ( mostly in Rural areas)

its like Hello

 

[Zabaniyah]

In what has been and will always be,regardless of which government is in power,India chooses to be non aligned.We talk trade and cooperation with everyone;Be it Israel or Iran,Russia or the United States,Communists or Capitalists etc.

It ain't that hard to comprehend.The only people who find that mantra too hard to fathom are usually ones with malice in their own intent. Hence,we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Really? The NAM? Really??

Well, Bangladesh is also a member of NAM. Where the hell did they get that the US plans to set up a base in Chittagong? If it were true, it would have been huge news around the globe. Fishy.....

NAM is a nice concept, yet utopian at best. America won the Cold War, while the rest gathered up the pieces like roaches.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

dont expect too much from this country of lackeys for 2 centuries and still going on strong, Comrade!

amazing! you have a pair of microscopic eyes!

A bit rich coming from someone who still reels from horror of century of humiliation.

we wrote Sun Tze - the Art of War when indians were wearing banana leaves and learning to help their bites with their bare hands.

Sun Tze - the Art of War was written sometime before 496 BC

Isn't the grand Chinese e-warrior argument that India did not exist before 1947, So why are you using the term indians ?


Unless you wish to say that India was geographical term encompassing modern day Pakistan and Bangladesh , If so then why are you insulting Pakistani and Bangladeshi members by mentioning that in that era they were : "wearing banana leaves and learning to help their bites with their bare hands"

I thought you Chinese liked Pakistanis and bangladeshis ?


@ontopic


India benefits as long as China and the West balance each other. China is born contained, not the same in case of the West.

 

[Zabaniyah]

we wrote Sun Tze - the Art of War when indians were wearing banana leaves and learning to help their bites with their bare hands.

I don't think the Art of War said anything about Indians.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

I don't think the Art of War said anything about Indians.

Its his delusional verbal diarrhea about Indians being primitive in 490 BC.

 

[Hafizzz]

India not sold on closer military ties with U.S.
India not sold on closer military ties with U.S. - latimes.com

NEW DELHI — Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta urged India on Wednesday to build a closer military relationship with the United States, but Indian leaders appeared more interested in buying U.S. weapons than in aligning strategically with Washington.

Senior Indian officials made it clear in two days of talks that they will continue to set their own course on U.S. national security priorities, including isolating Iran and building upAfghanistan'smilitary forces, sometimes in tandem with Washington and sometimes not.

Panetta is visiting Asia this week to bolster military ties as the Obama administration, wary ofChina's growing clout in the region, seeks to reassert America's presence in the Pacific after a decade of war in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The Pentagon chief described enhanced defense cooperation with India as "a linchpin" of the new strategy. But India has charted an independent foreign policy for decades, and its response was decidedly cool.

Panetta held meetings with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Defense Minister A.K. Antony, National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon and other government officials. But he did not hold a joint news conference with his Indian counterpart, as he usually does when he visits friendly countries.

"We'll never be an alliance partner with the U.S.," said Lalit Mansingh, an analyst and a former Indian ambassador to Washington. "The limit is a partnership."

The Pentagon has stationed tens of thousands of troops, plus aircraft and warships, at bases in Japan and South Korea since the end of World War II. But the U.S. withdrew from most of Southeast Asia after the Vietnam War ended in 1975, and major bases in the Philippines closed in the early 1990s.

The U.S. maintains a large Navy ship and submarine support facility and air base on Diego Garcia, a British-controlled atoll in the Indian Ocean. It has no bases in India.

The new strategy aims to restore aU.S. militarypresence across the Asia-Pacific region, but not by building permanent bases or deploying large forces.

Instead, Panetta emphasized, the United States seeks to build up the militaries of friendly governments with arms sales and joint training with U.S. forces deployed on short rotations. The message was meant to reassure Indian officials, who are eager to modernize their armed forces but not to appear too cozy with Washington.

"Our vision is a peaceful Indian Ocean region supported by growing Indian capabilities," Panetta said in a speech at the Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses, a think tank associated with the Indian military. "America will do its part … but the fundamental challenge is to develop India's capabilities so it can respond to challenges."

U.S. officials have said publicly that the new strategy is not aimed at confronting China, but Panetta's trip took him to India and Vietnam, two of China's historic rivals. Both nations have border and territorial disputes with Beijing and concerns about its expanding military might.

Senior officials traveling with Panetta said they hoped India would take a greater role in training Afghan army and police forces as the U.S. and its allies withdraw combat troops from Afghanistan over the next 2 1/2 years.

India brings a small number of Afghan officers to its military academies for instruction. It has balked at sending Indian troops to Afghanistan, even as trainers.

Panetta's travel plans don't include a stop in Pakistan, where CIA drone strikes this week killed Al Qaeda's No. 2 leader. Pakistan has repeatedly condemned the drone attacks as a violation of its sovereignty. It has also refused to allow truck convoys to supply U.S. and NATO troops in Afghanistan since errant U.S. airstrikes killed 24 Pakistani soldiers in November, causing severe strains in relations.

In answer to a question at the think tank, Panetta was blunt about the problems between Islamabad and Washington.

"It's a complicated relationship, oftentimes frustrating, oftentimes difficult," he said. "They have provided some cooperation. There are other times when frankly that cooperation is not there. But the United States cannot just walk away from that relationship."

He urged India to improve relations with its traditional rival. The nuclear-armed neighbors have fought three wars since 1947.

India is the world's largest arms importer. Washington was disappointed last year when U.S. companies lost out on a $12-billion deal to sell 126 fighter jets to New Delhi.

India maintains that the U.S. offered older aircraft technology. Officials also bridle at what they see as U.S. reluctance to transfer other sensitive technology, and Washington's insistence on after-sales, on-site inspections of equipment, part of U.S. policy to ensure sophisticated weapons aren't diverted to rogue states.

There are some signs that New Delhi and Washington are finding some middle ground, analysts said.

Several arms deals in the pipeline, amounting to about $8 billion in sales, have been signed with U.S. companies, partially allaying concern on Capitol Hill that India isn't fully committed to a defense relationship.

Both sides reportedly also are looking for ways to prevent diversion of sensitive technology without intrusive inspections.

Although India has recently test fired her latest version of advance missile (Agni 5) but she knows that her country is still NO MATCH for China and hence decided not to gang up with Uncle SAM to take on China. Like the Indians have once told the Americans : "You guys live so far away but we live next door to China and of course we care scared".

Indians have finally woke up and smelled the Coffee.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Although India has recently test fired her latest version of advance missile (Agni 5) but she knows that her country is still NO MATCH for China and hence decided not to gang up with Uncle SAM to take on China. Like the Indians have once told the Americans : "You guys live so far away but we live next door to China and of course we care scared".

Indians have finally woke up and smelled the Coffee.

Not getting you.

 

[Vibs]

Not getting you.

Thats a common reaction to Hafizz's posts .

 

[Luffy 500]

India now should go under the shadow of the chinese century , as India known that she can't be a counterweight to china even
in the next zillion years. Rather go under the protection of big brother china and allow the rise of
a peaceful asia lead by china.