India to Deploy Massive Tank Army Along Border With Pakistan

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Yes and a big goodbye to rotten filthbag that is Mumbia , Kolkata , Delhi..........


How many of you guys surrendered themselves and their families in Panipat! you Ganga folks are the last people in the world to talk alpha, even the Brits did not consider you folks as men.Log off dude.

Unfortunately, they pushed their women folks to fire!!!!! What a cruel practice!!!!! The British did one good thing - banned the practice of putting the widow along with the deceased into the fire...

 

[django]

Unfortunately, they pushed their women folks to fire!!!!! What a cruel practice!!!!! The British did one good thing - banned the practice of putting the widow along with the deceased into the fire...

This is the story they like to project, but I have heard of different accounts where they turned the other cheek as they say.Kudos bro

 

[django]

Brits didn't consider "us" as man. You and me are same. You just forgot your roots that you wer part of British raj. To be frank you ppl are just Hindus converted to Islam. U are no Arab. Arabs don't consider you Arab. Pakistan needed an identity for its two nation theory and choose Arab. Don't brag off by saying you are different from us. Just look at the social status of an Indian and a Pakistan outside your country. Here in US Pakistanis live ther lives pretending to be Indians. Fun part was pakis even gate crashed Indian independence days celebrations at our university last year trying to hit on girls. So much of your two nation theory.

HAHAHAHAHHAAAA, Pakistanis trying to be H!ndians LOL, I stopped reading at this point LOL.

 

[Little Falcon]

No Such Ordered has been placed , there is no Official Confirmation ..
So far we just have Cobra's and Zulu's are on their way .. but delivery will start from 2018 i guess ..
We need this baby in good Numbers

Yes it is not confirmed but according to Wikipedia it is on order: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAI/AgustaWestland_T129

 

[Isotope]

HAHAHAHAHHAAAA, Pakistanis trying to be H!ndians LOL, I stopped reading at this point LOL.

He is just a kid at some university, ignore him.

 

[django]

He is just a kid at some university, ignore him.

rumours are he is at an IIT.Kudos

 

[Little Falcon]

ATGM (Missiles)..not rockets....RPG(rocket) has many limitations


you would rather use ATGM platforms to counter enemy tanks than pitching own MBT's against them.

Own MBT's are conserved to make a thrust inside India on offensive.



how much time will be taken for deployment?

Indian IAB's are deployed near borders. Is it replacement of older tanks on border or new formations moving for escalation?

It is not yet confirmed! but i think it is replacement.
Note: The new MBTs will be equipped with new thermal imagining sights and will be divided up into ten new regiments.

Here is what wikipedia says:

India currently operates 1,250 T-90S which were procured in three separate orders. Two batches (310 tanks and knockdown kits in 2000 and a further 300 in 2006) were purchased from Russia. Heavy Vehicle Factory (HVF) at Avadi has delivered 24 tanks in 2009-10; 51 in 2010-11; another 50 were supposed to be delivered in 2012. A further 1,000 were to be produced locally by 2020. Of those, the first batch of 10 were delivered in August 2009. A ₹10,000 crore (US$1.5 billion) purchase of 354 new T-90MS tanks for six tank regiments for the China border has been approved. This takes the total of T-90 tanks to 2,011. In September 2016, Defence Acquisition Council cleared an order for 464 more T-90MS tanks from Russia at a cost of ₹13,448 crore (US$2.0 billion).The Indian Army has announced plans to procure driver's night sights based on uncooled thermal imaging technology for 1,400 of its T-90 tanks in order to permit full night operations.

 

[Soumitra]

Pakistan will respond any attack with all the available missile and nuclear warheads in its inventory by launching them at a same time whether they are low yeild tactical missiles or high yield hydrogen bombs they will be launced together at a same time

Even a thought of such an indian strike = Pakistan unleashing hell on india to where even bacteria wouldn't survive from delhi to madhurai and from mumbai to guwahati.

They talk about Nuclear War as if it is a joke. The outcome of a Nuclear War would not remain a local issue rather it would have implications for the entire world.

India will not start a Nuclear War. India's policy is No First use and massive second strike

First make up your minds. Will you use tactical nukes first or use all of your nukes at once. Either way it will result in massive second strike. Using all nukes at once (technically not possible) will be a foolish exercise as it will give you nothing for the second strike

Lets say that Lahore is in danger of being overrun will you try to save Lahore first or say to hell with Lahore we will nuke Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Hyderabad

Now to those who say we have less nukes than Pakistan the answer is simple. We have less nukes as we require less nukes to target a country with lesser area and population

Just see this Population density map

No need to target yellow areas. Just see the red areas and you can see how a large number of people are concentrated in a relatively smaller area. You can see how many nukes are required to target the red areas

Now the similar map of India

We have a larger population and spread over a larger area. To target this you will need larger number of nukes

Now lets talk numbers

Last pakistan census in 1998 (shows how efficient your govt is that you cant conduct a census for almost 20 years) has just 8 cities with population over a million and if we consider cities with over 500,000 it is 10 cities,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_Pakistan

To target these 10 cities nukes needed

Karachi 3-4 Nukes
Lahore 2-3 Nukes
Faisalabad 2-3 Nukes
Rawalpindi 1-2 Nukes
Multan 1-2 Nukes
Hyderabad 1-2 Nukes
Gurjanawala 1 Nuke
Peshawar 1 Nuke
Quetta (No need to target. We need friendly govt in Baluchistan )
Islamabad 1 Nuke

Total 13- 16 nukes lets round it up to 20 nukes

Now compare the same with India

there are 46 cities with a million + population and approx 100 cities if you take population of over 500,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_India_by_population

It should be obvious to you that you do not have numbers to cover all these cities

Lets talk numbers. Lets say you target only Big Important Cities

Mumbai 6-7 Nukes
Delhi 12-14 Nukes Delhi area is double that of Mumbai
Bangalore 7-8 Nukes
Hyderabad 6-7 Nukes
Ahemdabad 4-5 Nukes
Chennai 4-5 Nukes
Kolkata 4-5 Nukes
Surat 2-3 Nukes
Pune 2-3 Nukes
Jaipur 1-2 Nukes
Lucknow 1-2 Nukes

49-61 Nukes lets round it to 65 nukes

You will be using almost 60% of your arsenal in just trying to target 10-11 Indian cities

 

[Areesh]

Me and my family live in Spain where most of you Pakistanis run cheap Indian restaurants and introduce yourself as Indians.

What?/

Already ran away ran away from Bharat mata?

Bharat mata not good enough for you and your family??

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

India will not start a Nuclear War. India's policy is No First use and massive second strike

Did you read my post independently or merged it with what the others were saying?

As far as for the policy of India's No First Strike.
Over the years many strategists and defence analysts have argued and many relevant documents regarding this topic have been made public and discussed on this forum. (Just use the search feature and read about them.)

The problem they all faced is what India might consider a nuclear attack.
If India considered Tactical Nuclear Strike as first strike then this would become very difficult for USA to stop an all out war between nuclear powers. Hence it is important that India makes her own Tactical Nuclear weapons.

If India considered Nuclear strike on one of its cities then it is considering loss of one or more cites before a counter strike is launched. Then India does not require her own tactical nuclear weapons.

Now why has Pakistan opted for Tactical Nuclear weapons is because they know they can not stop a massive attack. To counter such an attack the option Pakistan has is to have such weapons.

Any use of Nuclear weapon on Pakistani City after the use of Tactical Nuclear weapon would be an over kill which would amount to Pakistan and China destroying every inch of India.

Now it is your call...Read this to understand more.
http://carnegieendowment.org/2016/0...apons-and-their-impact-on-stability-pub-63911

First make up your minds. Will you use tactical nukes first or use all of your nukes at once. Either way it will result in massive second strike. Using all nukes at once (technically not possible) will be a foolish exercise as it will give you nothing for the second strike

It depends on how India fields her military. If India massed her armed forces in major city and they posse an imminent threat during war then Pakistan might consider other options.

Lets say that Lahore is in danger of being overrun will you try to save Lahore first or say to hell with Lahore we will nuke Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Hyderabad

If your forces have massed at Lahore then the logical step should be to cut there exit routes to India. But wait a minute why not hit the advancing forces before they enter Lahore?

Now to those who say we have less nukes than Pakistan the answer is simple. We have less nukes as we require less nukes to target a country with lesser area and population

India's main enemy is China not Pakistan atleast this is what your politicians and MOD argues before any procurement. Yet now you are basing every thing on Pakistan.

Just see this Population density map

If this is what you basing then you have to consider that your population would suffer more.

 

[Soumitra]

The problem they all faced is what India might consider a nuclear attack.
If India considered Tactical Nuclear Strike as first strike then this would become very difficult for USA to stop an all out war between nuclear powers. Hence it is important that India makes her own Tactical Nuclear weapons.

If India considered Nuclear strike on one of its cities then it is considering loss of one or more cites before a counter strike is launched. Then India does not require her own tactical nuclear weapons.

It is clear from India's end. We will consider any attack tactical or strategic as a nuclear attack and will give massive retaliation. this has been said by one of the top policy makers (I am unable to find the link now will update once I get the link)

Now why has Pakistan opted for Tactical Nuclear weapons is because they know they can not stop a massive attack. To counter such an attack the option Pakistan has is to have such weapons.

Fair Enough. however you should also consider that purely with conventional ability Pakistan will find it difficult to overrun an Indian City. As such we do not need tactical nukes

Any use of Nuclear weapon on Pakistani City after the use of Tactical Nuclear weapon would be an over kill which would amount to Pakistan and China destroying every inch of India.

Massive retaliation is out stated nuclear doctrine so we already know it will be overkill. Why state the obvious. And why will China enter an Indo Pak Nuclear conflict specially when it is triggered by Pakistan's nuclear explosion? China is pragmatic not suicidal. Any start of nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan and all big powers will do their best to contain it as soon as possible and not add fuel to the fire

India's main enemy is China not Pakistan atleast this is what your politicians and MOD argues before any procurement. Yet now you are basing every thing on Pakistan.

China is our bigger adversary and many platforms are procured keeping china in mind. We dont need Agni 5 to target Pakistan or 3 Aircraft Carriers. We are not basing everything on Pakistan but we are not leaving out everything also

If this is what you basing then you have to consider that your population would suffer more.

I have not said our population will not suffer. But just shown that even with less nukes we can inflict high damage to Pakistan

 

[Little Falcon]

India will not start a Nuclear War. India's policy is No First use and massive second strike

First make up your minds. Will you use tactical nukes first or use all of your nukes at once. Either way it will result in massive second strike. Using all nukes at once (technically not possible) will be a foolish exercise as it will give you nothing for the second strike

Lets say that Lahore is in danger of being overrun will you try to save Lahore first or say to hell with Lahore we will nuke Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, Hyderabad

Now to those who say we have less nukes than Pakistan the answer is simple. We have less nukes as we require less nukes to target a country with lesser area and population

Just see this Population density map

No need to target yellow areas. Just see the red areas and you can see how a large number of people are concentrated in a relatively smaller area. You can see how many nukes are required to target the red areas

Now the similar map of India

We have a larger population and spread over a larger area. To target this you will need larger number of nukes

Now lets talk numbers

Last pakistan census in 1998 (shows how efficient your govt is that you cant conduct a census for almost 20 years) has just 8 cities with population over a million and if we consider cities with over 500,000 it is 10 cities,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_populous_cities_in_Pakistan

To target these 10 cities nukes needed

Karachi 3-4 Nukes
Lahore 2-3 Nukes
Faisalabad 2-3 Nukes
Rawalpindi 1-2 Nukes
Multan 1-2 Nukes
Hyderabad 1-2 Nukes
Gurjanawala 1 Nuke
Peshawar 1 Nuke
Quetta (No need to target. We need friendly govt in Baluchistan )
Islamabad 1 Nuke

Total 13- 16 nukes lets round it up to 20 nukes

Now compare the same with India

there are 46 cities with a million + population and approx 100 cities if you take population of over 500,000

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_India_by_population

It should be obvious to you that you do not have numbers to cover all these cities

Lets talk numbers. Lets say you target only Big Important Cities

Mumbai 6-7 Nukes
Delhi 12-14 Nukes Delhi area is double that of Mumbai
Bangalore 7-8 Nukes
Hyderabad 6-7 Nukes
Ahemdabad 4-5 Nukes
Chennai 4-5 Nukes
Kolkata 4-5 Nukes
Surat 2-3 Nukes
Pune 2-3 Nukes
Jaipur 1-2 Nukes
Lucknow 1-2 Nukes

49-61 Nukes lets round it to 65 nukes

You will be using almost 60% of your arsenal in just trying to target 10-11 Indian cities

Nuke is no joke, its not like a normal missile flying from one to second and from second to back, One is enough to kill generations.

Looks like bollywood has a lot of effect comparing population density. You also said Mumbai needs 6-7 Nukes to get destroyed and this is what an unprofessional would say but here is the FACT: only one is enough.
Want me to prove it, request and i would d so.

 

[Riz]

Cheast trumping again. India has over 2000 tanks and they cant be used on border with china figure.

No trumping, dude u really need to think, we know every movements of your army tanks etc, whenever we will feel threatened we will bomb them even inside your territory, we can't sit and watch only, and we have every right to defend overself from any aggression

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

doesn't matter. Tanks can easily be destroyed now a days and also Pakistan is also working on alkhalid new version.

It's not war hysteria, its contingency planning. India exercised utmost restraint every time there was aggression from Pakistan. Please keep in mind Pakistan's policy has been that if India does not talk we will use terrorism to force them to come to the table. India has typically fought terrorism only on its soil with terrorist alone. This works for Pakistan as they are sending non-state actors and even losing them is no grief as losing soldiers. India has changed policy. We have never initiated war, all wars are Initiated with Pakistan. This deployment says we will respond to terrorism differently and prepared for war if Pakistan escalates. So bottom line war will only happen if you initiate it, we will not resist from responding to avoid war, it has to be both ways. A recent report suggests approx 3 billion in war reserves have been ordered to be prepared.

so you will start a war if some kashmiri burhan wani kills your soldiers after his brothers are killed?

 

[tarrar]

After failing in spreading rented terrorism in Pakistan, India starts its new tactics & still sticking to the old one which is to protect ganja league.