India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

[Bhoot Pishach]

Now Shoooo.

Uncleji Which Car you Drive - TATA Indica, or Mahindra Bolaro????

Or atleast using Godraj Soap - Which One ?

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

Uncleji Which Car you Drive - TATA Indica, or Mahindra Bolaro????

Nahhh, Kid. My Nuts are too big for Your Mouth. Quite A Mouthful, aren't They?

Tsk...Tsk.

 

[Ind4Ever]

The decision to opt for steam driven catapults or EMALS has not been taken yet, so the Indian Navy could end up with either and both of the systems would be a big step up for the Indian Navy.

We are not going to be operating 40,000 ton "helicopter carriers"; it is only garbled up information which has been spewed by our witless scribes. The Indian Navy intends to operate 4 LHDs for HADR and marine combat operations, as such the top figure for the displacement of said LHD is going to be no more than 27,000 tons. Most importantly, a large helicopter carrier (by dint of being large) cannot simply operate a compliment of VL F-35s, the top deck would have to be specifically built for that purpose for it to be able to handle such operations (at the moment the Juan Carlos would have a better time at operating F-35s than the Izumo).

As to whether the Indian Navy is interested in the marine Rafales, one cannot say either way; irregardless the future of its fixed wing carrier-borne force is now tied to the Mig-29K until a decision is taken to either opt for a completely different fixed wing combatant (best of luck with that given the IN's resources are even more strained than the IAF's) or we will opt for a carrier design incorporating a ski jump and catapults (for heavier AEW&C platforms)

Bhai I seriously doubt that we will operate F35 or mig29 from Vishal . I don't see any other better replacement for RafaleM for our future carries. as Russians offer for Naval Mig35 for Vikrant already been turned down due to doubts on new platform. Instead we choose Mig29 again for Vikrant . It's not about the spec our IN is looking for but proven platform and RafaleM fits their rerequirements largely . Since its been in service with French Navy. And let's not doubt it's capabilities . It's a ripper at sea . F18 has no life left after 1 decade or so. Supply of spares will be a huge head for us . So its out of questions too.

And on F35 I seriously doubt it's capabilities so does our Navy. Spec alone won't win us war. I will chose F35 in small numbers for certain mission rather for all carrier operations. And it's not a proven platform with huge price tag if we want decent specs . And Japanese has no other option but to buy F35 under US pressure . And hence they came up with Helicopter carriers the likes of which we will operate . Most probably 27 T french vessel as you said. But am sure F35 can be operated from its deck . As VL and VT is very much similar to

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

Nahhh, Kid. My Nuts are too big for Your Mouth. Quite A Mouthful, aren't They?

Tsk...Tsk.

Butter Hurt

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

Sorry, can't hear You. You are choking ................... on My Nuts.

Uncle why getting angry? Auntiji engaged you in some TOT job like cleaning Utensils and Washing Clothes???

Complete you designated job before she knows about your roaming freely on PDF.

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

Uncle why getting angry? Auntiji engaged you in some TOT job like cleaning Utensils and Washing Clothes???

Complete you designated job before she knows about your roaming freely on PDF.

You are still choking ................... on My Nuts. So can't hear You.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Vishal Thapar @thaparvishal · 35m35 minutes ago
3/n #36Rafale@manoharparrikar: HAL's manpower reqt ratio of 2.7:1 (visavis OEM) high,driving up costs Details on Make in India in 2 months


So our HAL is inefficient and bcz of that cost is high??

Vishal Thapar @thaparvishal · 1m1 minute ago
#36Rafale Essence of @manoharparrikar 's explanation on @narendramodi deal with France: MMRCA tender scrapped, Rafale purchase cap at 36

Either this is a pressure tactic as details in 2 months indicate or the rumored Su35Stealth version is a reality or perhaps PAKFA procurement quickly upfront like MKI..

Bang On ... Get ready for Stealth Su35S boys

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

You are still choking ................... on My Nuts. So can't hear You.

Uncleji I will not degrade my self to your level. Afterall this is not your fault, its your parents who failed to give you proper upbringing!

So live in your Dirty World!

Bye!

 

[Pichkari]

THIS EXPLAINS EVERY THING. NO FURTHER PURCHASE OR "MAKE IN INDIA".

#36Rafale Essence of @manoharparrikar 's explanation on @narendramodi deal with France: MMRCA tender scrapped, Rafale purchase cap at 36

— Vishal Thapar (@thaparvishal) April 13, 2015

Bang On ... Get ready for Stealth Su35S boys

NO Chance dude.
IAF won be going for su 35 or su34.

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

Uncleji I will not degrade my self to your level. Afterall this is not your fault, its your parents who failed to give you proper upbringing!

So live in your Dirty World!

Bye!

Tsk...tsk.... Still Choking!

 

[Bhoot Pishach]

NO Chance dude.
IAF won be going for su 35 or su34.

Bitter Medicine for IAF is here for not having - NO "PLAN - B".

Now Tejas-MK1/MK2 (In large Numbers will be shove down their Throat), More Su-MKI (Super version) or Su-35s ---- If PKFA/FGFA goes late.

This will Keep IAF in GOOD HEALTH.

This will CURE "PHORAIN MALL" disease of IAF.

 

[Vasily Zaytsev]

In Berlin, Chancellor Merkel, will be rubbing her hands in glee after hearing this news of MMRCA cancellation.
The guys at EF will try their level best to prepare the best G to G deal which the GOI finds it very difficult to refuse.

Interesting times ahead. Get the Popcorn. The Rafale Vs EF game is still on.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Future Rafale deals will also be under govt to govt: Manohar Parrikar
By: Press Trust of India | New Delhi | Posted: April 13, 2015 8:54 pm | Updated: April 13, 2015 10:32 pm

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Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar.
India on Monday said all future negotiations for purchase of French Rafale fighters would be through government to government route, Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar said, discarding direct talks with manufacturers.

The disclosure came two days after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced purchase of 36 Rafale fighter aircraft in fly-away condition from the French government directly, sidestepping a grueling three-year negotiations for the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft(MMRCA) tender.

While initially the tender was valued at about USD 10 billion for 126 aircraft, the current price is estimated to be over USD 20 billion, over which India had serious reservations.

Noting that negotiations had entered into a “loop” or a “vortex” with no solution in sight, Parrikar said direct negotiations with France will now decide how much more Rafale aircraft has to be bought and whether it will be under ‘Make in India’ programme.

The Minister refrained from giving a direct reply to questions whether the requirement of Air Force for more MMRCA will be through Rafale or if any other player can come into action.

“Scope was only possible in Government to Government deal. Instead of going through the Request for Proposal (RFP) route where there was lot of confusion and chaos, it was decided that we will go through the G2G route,” he said explaining that 36 Rafale jets would be procured in ready-to-fly condition.

He said what has to be done about the rest would be decided after discussions between the two government.

Asked what it means to the eight-year-old tender process for MMRCA, for which Rafale was shortlisted, Parrikar said it has not been decided yet.

“But if this (G2G) route is followed, obviously, one car cannot travel on two different roads. There were a lot of problems on that (tender) road. That is why we have adopted the procedure of direct government to government,” he said briefing reporters at South Block.

Replying to another query if future deals on Rafale would also be through G2G route, Parrikar said, “All deal(s) will be in G2G only. The 36 are in fly-away condition which means they will be manufactured by the company in France and supplied in fly away conditions”.

Under the MMRCA contract, while 18 aircraft were to be bought off the shelf, 108 were to be manufactured by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited under a license from Dassault Aviation, the manufacturers of Rafale.

Though Rafale was shortlisted in 2012 after a five-year tending process, a final contract could not be signed due to differences over two issues – pricing and Dassault’s reluctance to stand guarantee for planes manufactured by HAL.

- See more at: Future Rafale deals will also be under govt to govt: Manohar Parrikar | The Indian Express

 

[wiseone2]

is it 36 or 63 Rafale fighters ?

 

[Ind4Ever]

In Berlin, Chancellor Merkel, will be rubbing her hands in glee after hearing this news of MMRCA cancellation.
The guys at EF will try their level best to prepare the best G to G deal which the GOI finds it very difficult to refuse.

Interesting times ahead. Get the Popcorn. The Rafale Vs EF game is still on.

Of course if EF can be offered with good deal as they said before with full Tot etc why not ? Germans was always there with MMRCA . May be ... JUST MAY BE keeping this in mind and heavy cost of rafale PM might have cancelled MMRCA so EF can be negotiated

Start speculation as usual

If it came true I wish I could see our neighbours faces

is it 36 or 63 Rafale fighters ?

36 so far conformed