India set to ink defence deals worth more than 1 Lakh Cr (USD 15bn) with Russia

[$@rJen]

India cant afford such costly Air defense. India can focus on the local BMD which is 2 layered defense comprising of AAD-PAD/PDV. The acquisition of S-400 should be conditional to some kind of tech transfer otherwise, its big loss for India

India can afford, that's the reason behind India going for such 12 systems. Indian BMD Systems are purely for Missile defence while S-400 is multi purpose. for Jets,AWACs and Missiles

Dont take it offensive bro!! I am asking this purely out of curiosity and to educate myself. Why do you think Arihant should not be a part of a CBG?

Because its a Ballistic Ship, you don't want let the enemy know the presence of it. Its works is to sneak in or with a long rang missile hide somewhere and fire the weapons and get home safely. SSK or the SSN would be in fit to patrol and safeguard the CBG than a slow moving SSBN

 

[Ind4Ever]

India cant afford such costly Air defense. India can focus on the local BMD which is 2 layered defense comprising of AAD-PAD/PDV. The acquisition of S-400 should be conditional to some kind of tech transfer otherwise, its big loss for India

S400 is a huge game changer for India. Chinese are no fools to take s400 threat very lightly. More over S400 which India will get will include already updated technology which is ment for s500 missile systems. India could pair it's powerful radar from Israel and home built radar and lots more Russian help in creating United Sam system across the country. Think about it. PAF is literally irrelevant if India managed to field S400 at well protected area.

 

[Assange]

Well Americans will be really upset just because the amount of arms deals India and China is making with Russia....

 

[Ind4Ever]

India and Russia are likely to sign several high profile defence agreements during Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Moscow for his annual summit with President Vladimir Putin. The deals include a mega contract to acquire S-400 anti-ballistic missile systems at a cost of around Rs 70,000 crores, top sources in the Defence Ministry said.

Mr Modi is likely to visit Moscow immediately after the winter session of Parliament, most probably on December 24-25. Other defence deals, which may on the table include the purchase of 48 Mi-17V5 attack helicopters for the IAF and 50 Kamov multirole choppers for the Indian Navy. Talks to lease one more nuclear submarine from Russia seems to have hit the road block. “We are no more considering to lease the nuclear submarine,” said a top level naval official.

The Russians had offered Kashalot K-322 nuclear power submarine of project 971 Shchuka to India and the talks were going on for some months. Indian Navy is already operating a Nerpa class Russian nuclear-powered submarine ‘INS Chakra,’ which it leased from Moscow in 2012 for ten years. The Indian Navy operated a Russian nuclear submarine for ten years back in the early 1980s.

The Russians have offered to upgrade the submarine based on Indian requirements and promised to handover the charge of the vessel in 2018 after the repair, upgrade and testing work and the Indian crew’s training are completed. The official would not say why the talks for leasing submarine is not fructifying. However, deal for S-400 missile system said to be firmly on track.

The modalities, including the price of deal and number of systems to be acquired, were agreed upon during the meeting of India-Russia Inter Governmental Commission on Military-Technical-Cooperation (IRIGC-MTC) which was co-chaired by Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and his Russian counterpart Sergei Shoigu in the first week of last month.

No SSN for lease?

 

[AMCA]

Because its a Ballistic Ship, you don't want let the enemy know the presence of it. Its works is to sneak in or with a long rang missile hide somewhere and fire the weapons and get home safely. SSK or the SSN would be in fit to patrol and safeguard the CBG than a slow moving SSBN

You got a Point there mate. A nuclear submarine is of no use if its a part of CBG, unless the deployment is very far away.

 

[sankranti]

You are talking about Shourya missile, which is a quasi ballistic missile that never leaves the atmosphere. Sagarika on the contray is a balistic missile. Shourya will eventually make our SSGNs.

Shourya is the land version of Sagarika. Sagarika Missile is now called K-15.

Nirbhay cruise missile will make it on our SSGN in due time.

 

[$@rJen]

Are we crazy to buy frigates from russia while we can make them cheaply at home.

Yes we can build but where would you build them??? all the ports the busy in buildng and upgrading their facilities. we build the last frigate like 2 years ago but the next new Gen frigate would come only after 5 years from now. till then we're only adding Destroyers and Kamorta's so only this option is available. and this Frigtes kneels are available they're the same design Talwar class. so it wouldn't hurt to buy them

 

[sankranti]

Arihant class will never escort the AC.. it doesn't qualify.. Using an SSBN to escort the CBG is just more than Crazy. INS Arihant will be still studied for the dev purposes in future and will be purely used as SSBN. K-4 or 5 will be equipped on it in future

Its not enough to give your "expert opinion". You are required to JUSTIFY it using Facts and Logic.

Arihant is going to be handed over to the Indian navy on February 2016 ....... it will be OPERATIONAL. So No more "studying" will take place after that. Only its operational reports an issues will be reported back.

An SSBN with only 4 missiles is unheard of in Naval history.

Aridhaman and its successor will be the True SSBN.

Arihant will always be a technological demonstrator who will take up more practical operational roles till it learns to operate by itself. THEN it will move away from Carrier group protection.

 

[sharma1111]

Yes we can build but where would you build them??? all the ports the busy in buildng and upgrading their facilities. we build the last frigate like 2 years ago but the next new Gen frigate would come only after 5 years from now. till then we're only adding Destroyers and Kamorta's so only this option is available. and this Frigtes kneels are available they're the same design Talwar class. so it wouldn't hurt to buy them

Buying them is fine if they come with design transfer/ other sweeteners. Not a single weapon purchase should happen without any deal

 

[Archie]

I think S400 would be a good buy, specially when we have people shouting We are Atoumi Quwat, you cant keep on ignoring us.

S400 would allow us to reduce the level of noise pollution

As far as Navy is concerned.

Parikar needs to tell the navy to make best use of available funds

Funds are better off being utilized for purchase of 12 new Mine sweepers, 126 New NMRH and 9 New SSKs rather than being spent on 4 LHDs and IAC2 with 36 F35/Rafales

 

[PoKeMon]

Dont take it offensive bro!! I am asking this purely out of curiosity and to educate myself. Why do you think Arihant should not be a part of a CBG?

First ask yourself why CBG need subs to escort them, perhaps you will get the answer.

 

[$@rJen]

Its not enough to give your "expert opinion". You are required to JUSTIFY it using Facts and Logic.

Arihant is going to be handed over to the Indian navy on February 2016 ....... it will be OPERATIONAL. So No more "studying" will take place after that. Only its operational reports an issues will be reported back.

An SSBN with only 4 missiles is unheard of in Naval history.

Aridhaman and its successor will be the True SSBN.

Arihant will always be a technological demonstrator who will take up more practical operational roles till it learns to operate by itself. THEN it will move away from Carrier group protection.

So a SSBN escorting CBG is a expert Opinion for you!!!??

please reread again I'm using facts and Logic (except arihant might be still used for further studies) while you're guessing.

Please i advice you to read the history of SSBN before commenting ""An SSBN with only 4 missiles is unheard of in Naval history.""

what do you think 4 missile's are not enough in a ship for deterrence?? the same class has another 2 more ships. and the fact is INS Arihant is a first in its class and India's first try its always going to be built with minimum capabilities as per Indian standard. but that doesn't mean it'll not be used for the purpose it was build. Using a slow moving strategic assets for protecting a cbg is foolishness.

 

[DRDO KALI 10000]

Are we crazy to buy frigates from russia while we can make them cheaply at home.
India should ask Russia to give us more access to Su30 components,sub-system. With 50% serviceability Su30 usage is question mark for Indian air froce

I think you dont know in SU 30 there was agreement with Russia We can not Use some parts which is ~50% by value Indigenous even we get expertise. Already we achieved 50% Indigenous Level by Value terms in content terms even more Indigenous.
So, there is no scope left in SU 30.

 

[$@rJen]

Buying them is fine if they come with design transfer/ other sweeteners. Not a single weapon purchase should happen without any deal

We already have the same Ships(talwar class) in 6 numbers. and i think Talwar class was studies when designing Shivalik class frigate. as for the weapons Brahmos and B-8 will be used on it.

 

[nik141993]

I think S400 would be a good buy, specially when we have people shouting We are Atoumi Quwat, you cant keep on ignoring us.

S400 would allow us to reduce the level of noise pollution

As far as Navy is concerned.

Parikar needs to tell the navy to make best use of available funds

Funds are better off being utilized for purchase of 12 new Mine sweepers, 126 New NMRH and 9 New SSKs rather than being spent on 4 LHDs and IAC2 with 36 F35/Rafales

If S 400 come our airspace is completely secure from ballastic missiles of our main adversary for at least next 3 decade only Chinese help & possible sale of F 35 could create problem but then again the sale & assistance will have political ramification