India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[KS]

Question which missiles Rafale will use if selected: MICA? AMRAAM? R-77? Which targeting pod - Damocles, Litening III?

Mica will be the SRAAM and the Meteor will be the BVRAAM I suppose.

The targeting pod will be the Damocles.

 

[metro]

Ok. so have we finally decided which aircraft is better ?

 

[JayAtl]

Ok. so have we finally decided which aircraft is better ?

PAK FA we have a consensus on that for now

 

[KS]

Dog Fight for India

An absolute shocker at 13:50 -

--- Unclear if either the Rafale or the EFT will clear the commercial offset requirements - if neither do, then the entire process comes to a nought and there will have to be a re-tender or the process will have to be scrapped.

 

[metro]

Dog Fight for India

An absolute shocker at 13:50 -

--- Unclear if either the Rafale or the EFT will clear the commercial offset requirements - if neither do, then the entire process comes to a nought and there will have to be a re-tender or the process will have to be scrapped.

Haha..

gai bhens pani me.

 

[hembo]

And yet you voted for EF.. explain that

Ha ha ha!! Caught red handed.. lol

 

[SpArK]

Carnegie's Ashley Tellis: "U've settled for a plane, not a relationship".

IAF to Ashley: "Not looking for a relationship,but a plane, thanks"

 

[hembo]

They are not fools. They have ability to build their own planes, their own simulators and what not. We are buying their stuff if that idea is lost on you. Comparing us to actual makers is downright idiotic. India has very shoddy maintenance record. If you had actually build that plane, then we can argue about the merits and demerits and 2 engine plane.

Are you actually sore that F-16 and F/H-18 S/H bit the dust or just bringing in these crappy debates just for fun?

If you are interested in debating two engine/ single engine, two pilot/ single pilot or any other issues ridiculed in your loved forum you mentioned, why don't you open another thread to discuss it? This thread is about MMRCA shortlisting and do keep it that way.

 

[hembo]

India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist​

The Indian Ministry of Defense has issued letters, on Wednesday, to two of the six vendors competing in the estimated USD 10 billion Indian Air Force (IAF) tender for 126 Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA), asking them to extend the validity of their commercial bids, which will expire on Thursday, tomorrow.

StratPost can confirm that the European Eurofighter Typhoon consortium and the French Dassault’s Rafale have been invited to do so, effectively making up the shortlist.

StratPost can also confirm that according to the IAF and the ministry, the other aircraft in the fray, the US Boeing’s F/A-18 Super Hornet, the US Lockheed Martin Corporation’s F-16, the Russian MiG-35 and the Swedish SAAB’s Gripen did not pass the technical evaluation conducted by the IAF.

It is noteworthy that this comes just a day before the commercial bids of all six vendors were to expire.

It would not be unsurprising if this move by the ministry and it’s coincidentally sharp timing were to raise the hackles of the spurned vendors. Industry insiders are already expecting to see a robust response from these vendors and their countries of origin, at least in private, to this decision.

One question some of the vendors losing out are already asking is why the ministry asked all the vendors to resubmit their offset proposals early this month if they already knew the outcome of the technical evaluation submitted by the IAF last summer, and waited till a day before the expiry of the commercial bids to effectively announce a shortlist by inviting extension of commercial bids from only two vendors.

The commercial bids of the other four vendors will lapse on Thursday, tomorrow.

Something else the uninvited vendors are ready to question is the basis for judging technical compliance, with robust speculation that none of the MMRCA-6 aircraft were actually completely compliant with the IAF’s 643 parameters listed in the Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQRs) for the tender.


India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

This probably is the most thanked post in the history of this forum!!! I am so envious of Spark, why could not I open this thread????

 

[SpArK]

This probably is the most thanked post in the history of this forum!!! I am so envious of Spark, why could not I open this thread????

A mighty flame followeth a tiny spark.

 

[DV RULES]

EF far better than Rafale, in case Indian MOD goes for Rafale then they decide loosing technology superiority of Typhoon.

In 2004, United States Air Force Chief of Staff General John P. Jumper said after flying the Eurofighter, "I have flown all the air force jets. None was as good as the Eurofighter."

The Typhoon's combat performance, compared to the F-22 Raptor and the upcoming F-35 Lightning II[129] fighters and the French Dassault Rafale, has been the subject of much discussion. In March 2005, Jumper, then the only person to have flown both the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Raptor, talked to Air Force Print News about these two aircraft. He said,

The Eurofighter is both agile and sophisticated, but is still difficult to compare to the F/A-22 Raptor. They are different kinds of airplanes to start with; it's like asking us to compare a NASCAR car with a Formula One car. They are both exciting in different ways, but they are designed for different levels of performance. …The Eurofighter is certainly, as far as smoothness of controls and the ability to pull (and sustain high g forces), very impressive. That is what it was designed to do, especially the version I flew, with the avionics, the color moving map displays, etc. — all absolutely top notch. The maneuverability of the airplane in close-in combat was also very impressive.

Suerly it is hard to compare typhoon with F-22 but for Indian air force typhoon is best option than any other.

 

[SpArK]

In February a company called G2 Solutions has made an analysis.. Here it is.. I think its never been posted.

MMRCA: Our initial analysis​

The following table is a quick G2 Internal exercise conducted in early February that shows where, at the time, we believed each competitor was likely to end up in the final selection. It’s highly qualitative in nature and based solely on open source intelligence.

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MMRCA: Our initial analysis | G2 Solutions News Analysis

 

[hembo]

---------- Post added at 12:07 AM ---------- Previous post was at 12:06 AM ----------

HAL is not in the same business as DRDO. They are different agencies, different work, cannot be compared.

HAL does manufacturing primarily, and they've done a pretty good job in that (manufacturing)

With replies like this, you are no longer Just an Observer.. Consider changing your nick.. lol!!

 

[hembo]

In February a company called G2 Solutions has made an analysis.. Here it is.. I think its never been posted.

MMRCA: Our initial analysis​

The following table is a quick G2 Internal exercise conducted in early February that shows where, at the time, we believed each competitor was likely to end up in the final selection. It’s highly qualitative in nature and based solely on open source intelligence.

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MMRCA: Our initial analysis | G2 Solutions News Analysis

Amazingly close analysis except they had rated F-16 in the top tier!!

 

[dbc]

So Typhoon and Rafale it is, I am both surprised and disappointed the F/A-18 E/F did not make it.
It is time for me to switch allegiance to the Rafale, I have that luxury since I'm half French.