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India seeks nod from China on UN Council seat

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So said, so done. India must not support announced the one-China policy.
If only say, afraid to do, India govt is the long nose Pinot Cao.
 
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Just for the sake of argument, if China decides to use this as an opportunity to break the "cycle of hostility"... what will be the Indian response?

More specifically, how will the politicians (Sonia et al.), the nationalist voters and the Indian media, allow the GoI to respond?

I think any friendly move on China's side will just end up as a regretful loss of face for us, because the GoI cannot respond in a similar manner. Just my opinion.

CD,

Its fair for you or anyone else for that matter to feel this way.

My view is that both China & India are keeping their cards close to their chests as of now and showing little just to see what bargains they can drive from each other.

India holds a Govt in exile,land claimed to be S Tibet , has good relations with Formosa ( now Taiwan) , all of which are an irritant to China. Not to mention its domination in S Asia - a region dear to China for the access it provides to the gulf and the shortening of its logistic chain into regions of China which could get developed . The interest in the port of Gwadar is a link to the same. The 'disturbance' in Baluchistan will come in the way & with its presence in Af and ' other' means India has the ability to if not scuttle the plan but cause serious setbacks. India also by its presence in Bhutan coupled with Sikkim being an Indian state is not soother to China either.

China on the other hand holds Aksai Chin, has an ever increasing claim line, ferments trouble in the NE states and tries to woo the Indian neighborhood. The defeat of 62 is something that affects the India psyche and has not been forgotten ( an event which can only be matched by the presence of the US 7th fleet in the Bay of Bengal in 71). Its support to Pak is worrisome but not a major concern as events in 71 showed that besides making noises no nation embroils itself in anothers fight and own interests are paramount.

There surely are many other considerations some of which have been hinted at & others are best left unsaid.

The bottom line is that both nations need to & will grow in the days ahead. This century is undoubtedly that of Asia & China & India shall be the major drivers. It may seem to some as competition but there is room for both & both need stability to move ahead. Both nations have stable forms of Govt which may seem odd to outsiders but the ppl of both nations are happy with their systems. My recent trip to China showed to me that if the Chinese system is bad ( lack of democracy etc) as ppl like to say, hell its works well there. May all nations have such 'bad ' systems.

All in all there are more commonalities in interests than divergences.

To me it appears quite like the bargaining ladies do while shopping when they begin from a virtual zero and strike a bargain midway. It actually ends up with a win -win both for the buyer & the seller.

The UNSC issue may well turn out to be a good thing for both India & China & both need to see it positively. We Asians have elephant memories & an even larger ego.
 
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What more did you want?

The final goal of these efforts is warm ties.

That sounds all warm and fuzzy, but doesn't really serve any practical purpose.

If we do this, relations "might" improve, lol. Sorry but in my eyes that is really not worth anything.

It is all hypothetical anyway so nevermind.
 
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CD,

Its fair for you or anyone else for that matter to feel this way.

My view is that both China & India are keeping their cards close to their chests as of now and showing little just to see what bargains they can drive from each other.

India holds a Govt in exile,land claimed to be S Tibet , has good relations with Formosa ( now Taiwan) , all of which are an irritant to China. Not to mention its domination in S Asia - a region dear to China for the access it provides to the gulf and the shortening of its logistic chain into regions of China which could get developed . The interest in the port of Gwadar is a link to the same. The 'disturbance' in Baluchistan will come in the way & with its presence in Af and ' other' means India has the ability to if not scuttle the plan but cause serious setbacks. India also by its presence in Bhutan coupled with Sikkim being an Indian state is not soother to China either.

China on the other hand holds Aksai Chin, has an ever increasing claim line, ferments trouble in the NE states and tries to woo the Indian neighborhood. The defeat of 62 is something that affects the India psyche and has not been forgotten ( an event which can only be matched by the presence of the US 7th fleet in the Bay of Bengal in 71). Its support to Pak is worrisome but not a major concern as events in 71 showed that besides making noises no nation embroils itself in anothers fight and own interests are paramount.

There surely are many other considerations some of which have been hinted at & others are best left unsaid.

The bottom line is that both nations need to & will grow in the days ahead. This century is undoubtedly that of Asia & China & India shall be the major drivers. It may seem to some as competition but there is room for both & both need stability to move ahead. Both nations have stable forms of Govt which may seem odd to outsiders but the ppl of both nations are happy with their systems. My recent trip to China showed to me that if the Chinese system is bad ( lack of democracy etc) as ppl like to say, hell its works well there. May all nations have such 'bad ' systems.

All in all there are more commonalities in interests than divergences.

To me it appears quite like the bargaining ladies do while shopping when they begin from a virtual zero and strike a bargain midway. It actually ends up with a win -win both for the buyer & the seller.

The UNSC issue may well turn out to be a good thing for both India & China & both need to see it positively. We Asians have elephant memories & an even larger ego.

Who told you our claim line is increasing? It has been the exact same claim for 40 years. The Indian government on the other hand has an ever increasing claim line. After all, nothing actually defines an Indian. For all we know, Beijing could be defined as Indian in the future.
 
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UNSC seat can be got in other ways besides the china route- has been proved many times. The only question is why does India need it- its a completely bogus body with no power or real teeth. What has more power is relationships with Taiwan and countries that trade with china- to go grab all those deals and take it away from China ,as much as possible. NO UN participation can touch that move!

a non violent and business savvy move...last time I checked it is a competition for business and economic growth.
 
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How many cards does india have (except the land stolen from us)? It is naive to make China surrender and give up the vote by showing off the political monk(y) and its 'government in exile' as well as india's relations with Taiwan? If indian put its nose into the Straight Affair to challenge China, it will face counter-action in IoK of course.
 
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UNSC seat can be got in other ways besides the china route- has been proved many times. The only question is why does India need it- its a completely bogus body with no power or real teeth. What has more power is relationships with Taiwan and countries that trade with china- to go grab all those deals and take it away from China ,as much as possible. NO UN participation can touch that move!

a non violent and business savvy move...last time I checked it is a competition for business and economic growth.

I don't think that's going to happen. People think that just because India and China have large populations, they must follow the same growth pattern. In reality, China has several key differences from India that make it far more attractive for both foreign and domestic investment.
 
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That depends on weighing,who"ll be more supportive towards China.Brazil,India, Germany,Japan.

You misunderstand me. Saying that relations "might" improve, is not really saying anything at all.

For example, I "might" buy a Cha siu bao, but then again I might not.

And I'm not sure that I even need or want one in the first place, making it even less important.
 
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It seems the Indians believe they have a lot of chips to bargaining with China.
OK, Let us look forward to Indian govt's performance.
 
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It seems the Indians believe they have a lot of chips to bargaining with China.
OK, Let us look forward to Indian govt's performance.

Even China thinks the same...
But infact China is fast seeing an agressive India..
 
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How many cards does india have (except the land stolen from us)? It is naive to make China surrender and give up the vote by showing off the political monk(y) and its 'government in exile' as well as india's relations with Taiwan? If indian put its nose into the Straight Affair to challenge China, it will face counter-action in IoK of course.

you may want to take a look at your surrounding. the country you reside in has the same policy...and has in fact made a strategic decision to ally and support India with the same goal.

US has not prescribed to one china policy , nor its stance on Tibet or Taiwan..
 
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