India sabotages the future of humanity and planet earth

[Bushy]

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The backdoor dealing and wheeling of government leaders and dignitaries isn’t disclosed to the general public

If what you say is right, then what is your point in discussing about those undisclosed things that you can not know anything about?

:Typical Indian... you'd make a good indian diplomat...

Very Very cleaver, thank you come again

Thank you for the compliment.

 

[bandit]

Breaking News:

New-found bonhomie will see Krishna head to China

DELHI: After a public lovefest in Copenhagen, China is now laying it on. Chinese foreign minister Yang Jiechi called S M Krishna on Tuesday evening to invite him to China. Krishna will visit Beijing in the first week of April, Declaring a "new beginning" in bilateral relations, Yang repeated his Premier Wen Jiabao's sentiments that China and India should continue to unify their stand in multilateral forums.

"The ministers noted that India and China would be marking the 60th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries in 2010. The Chinese foreign minister reiterated his invitation to the external affairs minister to visit China

Declaring a "new beginning" in bilateral relations, Yang repeated his Premier Wen Jiabao's sentiments that China and India should continue to unify their stand in multilateral forums.

"The ministers noted that India and China would be marking the 60th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between the two countries in 2010. The Chinese foreign minister reiterated his invitation to the external affairs minister to visit China in the first half of next year. EAM accepted the invitation. Mutually convenient dates will be fixed through diplomatic channels," an MEA statement said.

In Copenhagen, a nervous China received unstinting support from India while it battled pressure from developed countries on climate change. In fact, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown publicly blamed China for "wrecking" the summit. The same pressure will be applied yet again in 2010, said officials. The India-China unity helped in coalescing support from other developing countries.

This, in many ways, blindsided the west, which had been trying its best to cut through this bilateral unity. They were either involved in cutting a deal between the US and China, while the rest believed that the recent tensions between the two countries would have put cracks in the group in Copenhagen.

But realists within the government were quick to catch on to the fact that while China had tried to scuttle the nuclear deal for India in 2008, only a year later, there was India standing together with China. The question no one wants to answer here is, if the situations had been reversed in Copenhagen, and India was under fire, would China have stepped up to support India? :

New-found bonhomie will see Krishna head to China - India - The Times of India

Like it or not...Indo-China Co-operation is increasing ...

 

[mrwarrior006]

@ gin ka pakistan
world is suffering because of this capitalist greed socialist are coming back in Europe like in Spain and France and also in South America even Obama Heath care is socialist thing (welfare) . The Green revolution is anti Capitalist so India won't like it.

u r genius
now quickly tell whole world to stop building factories u will do one good work
and dont forget pakistan

 

[Gasht]

well why dont you disclose it??The backdoor dealing and wheeling help third world countries escape from the burden which is unacceptable and impracticable to the

simply stating the obvious, keep your to snide remarks to yourself

Did i said only the first world has the responsibilities?? Read my posts before opening the mouth..

well how much responsibility is the third world bearing


third world countries such as india (4 largest polluter in the world) have declined to meet 15 percent emission cuts by 2020

india's CO2 emmission level will increase by 5 to 3 times in next two decades quite possibly making it the biggest polluter in the world(so who should weather the major responsibility..)

while other countries such as china have pledged reduce emission by 40 -50 percent

may be you should also visit some other Pakistani forums too..you will get a general idea..

yeah i've visited them and the amount of anti-indian senitment is comparatively extremely low to indian forums (obsession with pakistan)



your presence in this forum and many other (anti -pakistani indians) is a testimont of Pakistanis incredible tolerance, I wish i could say the same for the indian forums

typical Pakistani

can be a future Zaid Hamid..very very crooked ..keep on twisting the facts..

exactly point out where i've twisted the facts...

you can be a future indian journalist making up bogus facts as you go along

 

[mrwarrior006]

@ghast
well how much responsibility is the third world bearing


third world countries such as india (4 largest polluter in the world) have declined to meet 15 percent emission cuts by 2020

india's CO2 emmission level will increase by 5 to 3 times in next two decades quite possibly making it the biggest polluter in the world(so who should weather the major responsibility..)

while other countries such as china have pledged reduce emission by 40 -50 percent

so u mean to say while india co2 increases all other countries co2 will not
and china produces 22.7% hence this will also increase in 2020 and 40% cut u say will again look joke in 2020

but china has its right inorder to develop as it desires and so india -developing countries
but china will do lot when it says i agree on tat front after all its china
india will have to prove tat when it says 20%emission it does-- but i have strong feeling india will some how manage it tnx to nuke deal

 

[Gasht]

Pakistan will also be attending this December's talks in Copenhagen. It remains an opportunity for this Islamic Republic to take a role of leadership on the issue of internationally binding emission reductions as a means of making the international community wake up to its over-arching moral obligations. This is certainly an area where Pakistan can rally support from other developing countries to speak with one voice on the historical and international responsibilities industrialized nations have towards the poor of developing countries.
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please read this below before cutting out snippets of an articles to match your aim

ISLAMABAD, July 15: Pakistan is seriously considering signing Kyoto protocol to join larger global effort to combat climate change and currently it is conducting advanced studies on the implications and repercussions of the protocol.

This was stated by environment secretary Javed Hasan Aly at a workshop on "Carbon Finance Business" organized by the World Bank that is currently trying to sell a new range of financing products to developing countries, including Pakistan.

Mr Aly, however, said he could not give timeframe when Pakistan was to sign the protocol because it had not been referred to the federal cabinet, but the government was mindful of the considerations of such a global effort.

A representative of the International Finance Corporation (IFC) said that it was in the process of identifying a location to help set up a private sector wind power project, most probably on the Makran coastal area near Karachi or Chakwal in the central Punjab.

She said the IFC was sponsoring a detailed feasibility study on the proposed wind power project and added that the Alternate Energy Board (AEB) of the government of Pakistan was unlikely to take such a wind project in the next two years because of certain problems.

She said the IFC was also in the process of sponsoring a 100-mw waste water power plant in a cluster of industrial units in Faisalabad. Programme manager, Carbon Finance Business of the World Bank, Asif Faiz, told the participants that the CFB had approved $295 million of carbon finance transactions in sustainable energy projects, comprising over 90 per cent of its total active pipeline of $325 million.

These transactions are expected to leverage some $2.2 billion of underlying financing for these projects, due largely to the leveraging effect of the high quality revenue stream, which mitigates other project risks.

He said the bank was making efforts to ensure that developing countries and economies in transition could benefit from international efforts to address climate change, including the emerging carbon market for greenhouse gas emission reductions.

Programme manager said the bank wanted to catalyze a global carbon market through the purchase of high quality emission reductions in climate-friendly projects in developing countries and economies in transition.

As such, carbon finance is the first large scale initiative that seeks to catalyze private sector investments to address a global environmental issue, he said.

Mr Faiz said Pakistan could benefit from the new products in the fields of hydropower projects, solar, wind, thermal, municipal solid waste and agri-business, but clarified that funding could be given only in stand alone projects which had no linkage with the existing loss making and poorly performing power sector.

 

[Gasht]

so u mean to say while india co2 increases all other countries co2 will not
and china produces 22.7% hence this will also increase in 2020 and 40% cut u say will again look joke in 2020

but china has its right inorder to develop as it desires and so india -developing countries
but china will do lot when it says i agree on tat front after all its china
india will have to prove tat when it says 20%emission it does-- but i have strong feeling india will some how manage it tnx to nuke deal

I'm not stating it any way shape or form rather Gaurav Singh, Ceylan, Thomson backed by statistics and scientific research...

The Indian government says the country’s carbon dioxide emissions will grow three to five times by 2031 as its economy expands and its population continues to soar from 1 billion to 1.5 billion people.

Government projections say CO2 emissions will increase from 1.4 billion tons last year to between 4 billion and 7.3 billion tons annually by 2031. India now produces about 5 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions.

Indian officials have rejected assertions by developed countries that India needs to rein its CO2 emissions, saying the country has the right to improve its standard of living and that per-capita emissions — expected to double by 2031 — will still remain comparatively low.

“Even with very aggressive GDP growth,” said Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh, “India’s per capita emissions will be well below developed country averages.”

That contention offers little solace to negotiators hoping to forge a climate treaty in Copenhagen this December, as the U.S. and some other developed nations have expressed an unwillingness to sharply curb CO2 emissions if developing countries such as India and China make no commitment to rein in theirs.



By Gaurav Singh

Nov. 30 (Bloomberg) -- India, the world’s fourth-biggest polluter, said emission reduction offers by rich nations before next week’s climate change talks in Copenhagen are insufficient.

“If we take all the offers that are on the table at the moment, it will add up to, at the most, about 15 percent to 20 percent reduction by 2020 as compared to 1990,” Shyam Saran, special envoy of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, said in New Delhi today. The offers are “far below even the conservative 25 percent” projected by the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he said.

Negotiations on a climate-change accord have been stymied as richer nations and developing countries disagree on issues such as emission-reduction targets and how much financial help industrialized nations should provide to poorer ones. Pledges by China and the U.S. last week to set numerical targets for their greenhouse-gas emissions revived the hope that an agreement might be reached.

China’s cabinet said Nov. 26 it will cut output of carbon dioxide per unit of gross domestic product by 40 percent to 45 percent from 2005. A day earlier, the U.S., the second-largest air polluter, said it will bring to the talks an offer to reduce emissions by about 17 percent by 2020.

India, the world’s second fastest-growing major economy, doesn’t expect a legally binding outcome at the climate negotiations in the Danish capital that run Dec. 7-18, said Saran.

Binding Caps

The South Asian nation has said it won’t accept legally binding emission caps and will keep per-capita output of carbon lower than that of rich nations. India has drawn up a National Action Plan on Climate Change, which includes increasing solar power generation, improving energy efficiency and enhancing carbon sinks, which help to absorb gases blamed for global warming.

India will seek to protect its economic interests at the talks, Saran said.

“We should not be hustled into a position that harms our economic prospects,” he said. “What we are really negotiating is how, in dealing with climate change, we preserve our various economic positions.”

 

[Naradmuni]

India sabotages the future of humanity and planet earth

call it whatever you want but for policy makers, Indias national interest is ultimate.

 

[mrwarrior006]

@gasht
the article u posted is very interesting i will underline some for ur better understanding

I'm not stating it any way shape or form rather Gaurav Singh, Ceylan, Thomson backed by statistics and scientific research...

The Indian government says the country’s carbon dioxide emissions will grow three to five times by 2031 as its economy expands and its population continues to soar from 1 billion to 1.5 billion people.

Government projections say CO2 emissions will increase from 1.4 billion tons last year to between 4 billion and 7.3 billion tons annually by 2031. India now produces about 5 percent of global carbon dioxide emissions.

Indian officials have rejected assertions by developed countries that India needs to rein its CO2 emissions, saying the country has the right to improve its standard of living and that per-capita emissions — expected to double by 2031 — will still remain comparatively low.

“Even with very aggressive GDP growth,” said Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh, “India’s per capita emissions will be well below developed country averages.”

That contention offers little solace to negotiators hoping to forge a climate treaty in Copenhagen this December, as the U.S. and some other developed nations have expressed an unwillingness to sharply curb CO2 emissions if developing countries such as India and China make no commitment to rein in theirs.



By Gaurav Singh

Nov. 30 (Bloomberg) -- India, the world’s fourth-biggest polluter, said emission reduction offers by rich nations before next week’s climate change talks in Copenhagen are insufficient.

“If we take all the offers that are on the table at the moment, it will add up to, at the most, about 15 percent to 20 percent reduction by 2020 as compared to 1990,” Shyam Saran, special envoy of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, said in New Delhi today. The offers are “far below even the conservative 25 percent” projected by the Nobel Prize-winning Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, he said.

Negotiations on a climate-change accord have been stymied as richer nations and developing countries disagree on issues such as emission-reduction targets and how much financial help industrialized nations should provide to poorer ones. Pledges by China and the U.S. last week to set numerical targets for their greenhouse-gas emissions revived the hope that an agreement might be reached.

China’s cabinet said Nov. 26 it will cut output of carbon dioxide per unit of gross domestic product by 40 percent to 45 percent from 2005. A day earlier, the U.S., the second-largest air polluter, said it will bring to the talks an offer to reduce emissions by about 17 percent by 2020.

India, the world’s second fastest-growing major economy, doesn’t expect a legally binding outcome at the climate negotiations in the Danish capital that run Dec. 7-18, said Saran.

Binding Caps

The South Asian nation has said it won’t accept legally binding emission caps and will keep per-capita output of carbon lower than that of rich nations. India has drawn up a National Action Plan on Climate Change, which includes increasing solar power generation, improving energy efficiency and enhancing carbon sinks, which help to absorb gases blamed for global warming.

India will seek to protect its economic interests at the talks, Saran said.

“We should not be hustled into a position that harms our economic prospects,” he said. “What we are really negotiating is how, in dealing with climate change, we preserve our various economic positions.”

did i say indias co2 will not increase its the fact tat it will
but also its the fact tat others co2 will also increase

so wy india alone should be pointed out do u get my point frnd

 

[Bushy]

please read this below before cutting out snippets of an articles to match your aim

ISLAMABAD, July 15: Pakistan is seriously considering signing Kyoto protocol to join larger global effort to combat climate change and currently it is conducting advanced studies on the implications and repercussions of the protocol.

This was stated by environment secretary Javed Hasan Aly at a workshop on "Carbon Finance Business" organized by the World Bank that is currently trying to sell a new range of financing products to developing countries, including Pakistan.

Mr Aly, however, said he could not give timeframe when Pakistan was to sign the protocol because it had not been referred to the federal cabinet, but the government was mindful of the considerations of such a global effort.

A representative of the International Finance Corporation (IFC) said that it was in the process of identifying a location to help set up a private sector wind power project, most probably on the Makran coastal area near Karachi or Chakwal in the central Punjab.

She said the IFC was sponsoring a detailed feasibility study on the proposed wind power project and added that the Alternate Energy Board (AEB) of the government of Pakistan was unlikely to take such a wind project in the next two years because of certain problems.

She said the IFC was also in the process of sponsoring a 100-mw waste water power plant in a cluster of industrial units in Faisalabad. Programme manager, Carbon Finance Business of the World Bank, Asif Faiz, told the participants that the CFB had approved $295 million of carbon finance transactions in sustainable energy projects, comprising over 90 per cent of its total active pipeline of $325 million.

These transactions are expected to leverage some $2.2 billion of underlying financing for these projects, due largely to the leveraging effect of the high quality revenue stream, which mitigates other project risks.

He said the bank was making efforts to ensure that developing countries and economies in transition could benefit from international efforts to address climate change, including the emerging carbon market for greenhouse gas emission reductions.

Programme manager said the bank wanted to catalyze a global carbon market through the purchase of high quality emission reductions in climate-friendly projects in developing countries and economies in transition.

As such, carbon finance is the first large scale initiative that seeks to catalyze private sector investments to address a global environmental issue, he said.

Mr Faiz said Pakistan could benefit from the new products in the fields of hydropower projects, solar, wind, thermal, municipal solid waste and agri-business, but clarified that funding could be given only in stand alone projects which had no linkage with the existing loss making and poorly performing power sector.

Do you have a knack of splattering unrelated garbage around?

Now please enlighten me, how is this news related to the one that I posted? There is not a single mention of India in that article. Where does it say that Pakistan is taking a stand opposite to India in the talks of environment, that is, if Pakistan is taking a stand at all? Or, for that matter, how on earth is this piece related to the topic of this thread?

Quit running around, and take a firm position. If you cannot, call it quits. I will understand.

 

[Gasht]

Do you have a knack of splattering unrelated garbage around?

Now please enlighten me, how is this news related to the one that I posted?

Now please enlighten me, how is this news related to the one that I posted? There is not a single mention of India in that article. Where does it say that Pakistan is taking a stand opposite to India in the talks of environment, that is, if Pakistan is taking a stand at all? Or, for that matter, how on earth is this piece related to the topic of this thread?

You seriously need to get a mental evaluation if you can’t a follow a simple discussion...

Quit running around, and take a firm position. If you cannot, call it quits. I will understand.




Now please enlighten me, how is this news related to the one that I posted?

Your on a serious drug trip i believe , get medical help, answer to your inquisition is provided below

Originally Posted by Gasht
:
Don’t associate us with you Indians. Pakistan is in support of a binding agreement on C02 reductions. And a being stewardess of the planet we live on...

Typical Indian... you'd make a good indian diplomat...

Very Very cleaver, thank you come again

Perhaps you missed out on my previous post... Let me post it again to show you how the attitude in Pakistan's intellectual circle goes in contrast with yours...

This is what the Pakistani newspapers had to say: -

Pakistan will also be attending this December's talks in Copenhagen. It remains an opportunity for this Islamic Republic to take a role of leadership on the issue of internationally binding emission reductions as a means of making the international community wake up to its over-arching moral obligations. This is certainly an area where Pakistan can rally support from other developing countries to speak with one voice on the historical and international responsibilities industrialized nations have towards the poor of developing countries.

and in response to your post

please read this below before cutting out snippets of an articles to match your aim

ISLAMABAD, July 15: Pakistan is seriously considering signing Kyoto protocol to join larger global effort to combat climate change and currently it is conducting advanced studies on the implications and repercussions of the protocol.

This was stated by environment secretary Javed Hasan Aly at a workshop on "Carbon Finance Business" organized by the World Bank that is currently trying to sell a new range of financing products to developing countries, including Pakistan.

Mr Aly, however, said he could not give timeframe when Pakistan was to sign the protocol because it had not been referred to the federal cabinet, but the government was mindful of the considerations of such a global effort.

A representative of the International Finance Corporation (IFC) said that it was in the process of identifying a location to help set up a private sector wind power project, most probably on the Makran coastal area near Karachi or Chakwal in the central Punjab.

She said the IFC was sponsoring a detailed feasibility study on the proposed wind power project and added that the Alternate Energy Board (AEB) of the government of Pakistan was unlikely to take such a wind project in the next two years because of certain problems.

She said the IFC was also in the process of sponsoring a 100-mw waste water power plant in a cluster of industrial units in Faisalabad. Programme manager, Carbon Finance Business of the World Bank, Asif Faiz, told the participants that the CFB had approved $295 million of carbon finance transactions in sustainable energy projects, comprising over 90 per cent of its total active pipeline of $325 million.

These transactions are expected to leverage some $2.2 billion of underlying financing for these projects, due largely to the leveraging effect of the high quality revenue stream, which mitigates other project risks.

He said the bank was making efforts to ensure that developing countries and economies in transition could benefit from international efforts to address climate change, including the emerging carbon market for greenhouse gas emission reductions.

Programme manager said the bank wanted to catalyze a global carbon market through the purchase of high quality emission reductions in climate-friendly projects in developing countries and economies in transition.

As such, carbon finance is the first large scale initiative that seeks to catalyze private sector investments to address a global environmental issue, he said.

Mr Faiz said Pakistan could benefit from the new products in the fields of hydropower projects, solar, wind, thermal, municipal solid waste and agri-business, but clarified that funding could be given only in stand alone projects which had no linkage with the existing loss making and poorly performing power sector.

 

[Bushy]

You seriously need to get a mental evaluation if you can’t a follow a simple discussion...




Your on a serious drug trip i believe , get medical help, answer to your inquisition is provided below






and in response to your post

....... ........ ........

 

[Gasht]

@gasht
the article u posted is very interesting i will underline some for ur better understanding



did i say indias co2 will not increase its the fact tat it will
but also its the fact tat others co2 will also increase

so wy india alone should be pointed out do u get my point frnd

don't talk about per capita due to the colossal gargantuan population of india.

if the volume of india's pollution was greater than america but due to it's sheer population (1.15 billion) it would still rank per-capita below america

simple math

 

[Bushy]

A Pakistani perspective of Copenhagen: bombs on the frontpage, climate change on the back page

Only one Pakistani journalist is covering the summit – but that's not because climate change isn't affecting the country

As a Pakistani journalist you learn pretty quickly that climate change isn't top of the news agenda. Two days ago I scoured an online edition of my newspaper (Dawn, Pakistan's largest English language daily in the country) for the story I filed at the start of the UN climate talks in Copenhagen. After much clicking through screens I eventually found it — on the back page. The front page was full of bomb blasts — two more in different cities on one day. So there you have it, in order of priority: bombs on the first page, climate change last page.

With bombs going off on almost a daily basis, coverage of climate change is apathetic at best in Pakistan. Before I left Pakistan a few media outlets, such as a local FM radio station, were trying to generate some interest in the conference but they soon ran out of steam — and experts to interview. People in the big cities do watch the BBC World Service and CNN, but they are too worried about the security situation to care about climate change.

Now that the talks are under way you find smatterings of news coverage here and there. However, as I am the only Pakistani journalist at the summit - and only because I won a scholarship from the Climate Change Media Partnership - most papers are forced to use copy from news wires. So readers do not get a Pakistani perspective. (That is what most Pakistani are missing here and think they represent the policies of the state in their posts)

I asked the Pakistan delegation why they didn't bring any journalists. Their response: it's too expensive. The 26-strong delegation is made up of NGO workers, government officials and a couple of youth representatives (funded by the Danish embassy). The prime minister of Pakistan was expected to join the talks next week but now I'm told he might not come. His home city, Multan, has become the new target for suicide attacks. Security comes first.

But signs of climate change are real in Pakistan. For farmers in the Chitral region in north Pakistan's Hindu Kush mountains, climate change is already happening. Their village was buried beneath 15 feet of boulders and stones following a massive flood caused by melting glaciers in June 2007. Homes, fields, orchards, the local school, water pipes, roads and bridges — everything was destroyed.But not many villagers make the connection between rising temperatures caused by carbon emissions in the towns and cities and melting valley glaciers. One villager told me: "Perhaps we made some mistake and did not make God happy." At 73, he cannot remember such a flood in his lifetime or his father's.

Here at the Bella Centre, where the summit is taking place, tensions between the rich nations and G77 (of which Pakistan is a member) have been inflamed. The so-called Danish text leaked to the Guardian on Tuesday set the newsroom abuzz, with reporters scrambling to follow up on the story. And it sparked a scrum of outraged press conferences by various NGOs.

One interpretation of the negotiating document, that was prepared in secret by Denmark and other rich countries, is that it attempts to divide poor countries further by creating a new category of "most vulnerable" developing countries. My Indian and Nepali colleagues reporting from the summit are convinced that this is part of a conspiracy to break up the G77 (a coalition of 130 developing countries designed to promote members' economic interests) by offering a cash incentive to these most vulnerable countries. They don't think the G77 will remain intact for long.


Pakistan's main negotiator said he believes that any attempt would fail: "The G77 will never break up - even the big countries like China and India know that if they break away, they will have little negotiating power. Only as a unified group can we make the Annex I [rich] countries listen to our demands."

• Rina Saeed Khan is a freelance journalist based in Lahore.

Now if you have gut to digest this article, then I am sure you will realize that, contrary to your perception and biased rhetoric, Pakistan is standing right by India's and China's side in Copenhagen. Open your eyes, for the sake of your nation.

 

[Vassnti]

Dont belive the fake chinese reductions.

The 40% is per unit production, china has an anual gdp increase of 8% per anum so over the 15 years 2005 to 2020 its GDP will have increased by roughly 150% so thier 40% "reduction" actually amounts to a 50% increase in polution. So they will go from level with the US to the worlds biggest poluter by a wide margin.