India’s Quiet Counter-China Strategy

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Incredible you think complain about India's bad manners as a host is the same thing as internal stability being threaten inside China? No one is denying that the Govt. carefully controls and micro-manages the media inside China but to place say that Chinese people put weight on what Indian media says is delusion of self-importance.

No Indian media outlets have been banned in China. India is not the leader of the democratic offensive in China, it is a 2nd rate follower.

Do forgive me but that statement 'India's bad manners' hardly suits the occasion coming from a Chinese.

I feel sorry that I have to append this:

BAD MANNERS IN CHINA


Mother and peeing child Chinese have a reputation for having bad manners: spitting in streets, making loud slurping noises when they eat, walking around in public without a shirt; cutting in line; urinating in public; jostling aggressively. This wasn’t always the case. In imperial times the Mandarin class in particular was known for its refined tastes and manners. Confucianism taught people to treat others with courtesy and respect.

Chinese tourists traveling outside of China have been warned not to embarrass China with uncouth behavior such as walking around in hotel lobbies in pajamas, tossing chicken bones on the floor of restaurants and talking loudly. Chinese state-supported travel agencies warn their customers that “spitting, slurping foods and jumping queues merely disgust people at home. But is intolerable in other countries.” Chinese tourists are also coached not to roll up their trouser legs and strip off their shirts to keep cool.

Overseas Chinese are among those who find mainland behavior to be the most uncouth. A Hong Kong newspaper ran a picture of a mainland mother helping her child pee on a wall at Hong Kong Disneyland and reported that many benches at the theme park were unusable because middle-aged Chinese men were sleeping on them. A Hong-Kong-born, London-based Chinese wrote a guidebook in which advised Chinese “Don’t ask foreign women how old they are” and “Don’t clean your ears in public.” Some mainlanders find mainlanders to be intolerably uncouth. In the essay the The Ugly Chinese writer and social critic Bo Yang criticized his countrymen for being too loud and too crass.

Georg Arit, a German sociologist who has studied Chinese tourists, told the Los Angeles Times, "Chinese are rude to people they don’t know. Unfortunately, when it comes to tourism, you don’t know most of the people you meet." He also said Chinese tourists were notorious for consciously breaking rules. “You’ll see people flouting ‘no smoking’ signs in luxury outlets, knowing few will complain when they’re spending $10,000. There’s also a feeling that ‘foreigners have been trampling on us for 200 years, and now it’s our turn.'”

EXPOSED BELLIES, SPITTING, PAJAMAS AND BAD MANNERS IN CHINA - China | Facts and Details

It does not matter if Indian correspondents are banned or not in China. India is not really keen to know about China since everything is regulated in China and reality will never be known to be reported. India has just four correspondents in China. On the other hand, China has scores of correspondents in India (Check Google). That should show the interest levels of each country in knowing about the other.

I totally agree with you that the Indian media assumes a larger than life importance. That is a positive indicator of a vibrant society and yet some media houses take it too much to their head and assume an air of self importance as you have rightly said.

Because that is the Indian media in fantasy.

Take a look at Google and Baidu. Who's afraid of each other?

Indeed.

How incisive from one who is attuned to controls and selective information as allowed by the Chinese Govt.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I feel sorry that I have to append this:

Wow, you really want to drag this discussion down into the gutter.

 

[CardSharp]

Do forgive me but that statement 'India's bad manners' hardly suits the occasion coming from a Chinese.

I feel sorry that I have to append this:

You are mistaken common manners with diplomatic etiquette. I could start posting articles about Indian habits but I like to think, I am at the ripe old age of 20 something, above it. I guess maturity is relative.

and also you would do well not to cite a Japanese based website on China just as a reasonable person would not cite a Pakistani website about India and expected it to be balanced.

EXPOSED BELLIES, SPITTING, PAJAMAS AND BAD MANNERS IN CHINA - China | Facts and Details

 

[CardSharp]

Wow, you really want to drag this discussion down into the gutter.

At least with British officers you can expect manners, supercilious though they may be. Too bad their traditions didn't stick.

 

[zombieland]

Welcome to reality. In politics, there's no such thing as permanent friends or enemies, there's only permanent interests. Winston Churchill. This is especially true of big power politics like the ones played out between China and US.

So can anyone tell me .... what's China permanent Interest in the so called 'friendship' with us ?????

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So can anyone tell me .... what's China permanent Interest in the so called 'friendship' with us ?????

Asked and answered already. Just for reference:

The bottom line is, even if India never existed, China and Pakistan would still be partners. China would still be trying to get Gwadar port, in order to bypass the Malacca straits. China would still need an important regional player, in the geopolitical nexus between the Middle East, Central Asia, and South Asia.

Just look at a map, cover India with your hand, and you will see what I mean.

Friends are often quite different, which is great if you value diversity.

Atheist China, and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. A great friendship.

We derive a lot of benefits from it. For example, Pakistan helps to give us a voice in the OIC, and other such Islamic organizations. Good relations with the Islamic world is essential to a growing nation like China, due to our thirst for resources.

There are not enough resources in the entire world, to allow all the developing countries, turn themselves into developed countries. This is the fundamental problem.

 

[CardSharp]

Oh man how did I miss this gem of self-delusion.

It does not matter if Indian correspondents are banned or not in China.India is not really keen to know about China since everything is regulated in China and reality will never be known to be reported. India has just four correspondents in China. On the other hand, China has scores of correspondents in India (Check Google). That should show the interest levels of each country in knowing about the other.

You say with a straight face that Indian media is less concerned with China than vice versa, with your everyday reports of "border incursion" "staple visa" "the need to increase defence against China" etc etc.

I'll direct you to your own defence publications (Indian defence review), because you can count yourself how many of the articles there are about China. Or you can just check the number of threads about China started by Indians and the number of threads started by Chinese members about India.

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/geopolitics-2-1.html

Really I hope and pray all of India's generals are vain and incapable of objectivity as you are.

 

[Developereo]

I made an Interesting observation.

Are you a double ID for jbond197?

Since Islam has such great importance in Pakistan, many pakistanis assume that India also places equal importance in hinduism.

Nonsense. An Indian poster brought religion into the discussion as the defining factor in international relations.

 

[icydemon5]

This a troll post by an Indian against Chines.
I hope that moderators will take action against this Indian.

why is that every time a chinese person gets insulted a pakistani man barks... and when a pakistani man gets insulted there is no responseP

 

[jbond197]

Are you a double ID for jbond197?

You can always check with mods when in doubt..

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

why is that every time a chinese person gets insulted a pakistani man barks... and when a pakistani man gets insulted there is no responseP

Why is it that Indians have such a problem with both Chinese and Pakistanis?

 

[gubbi]

At least with British officers you can expect manners, supercilious though they may be. Too bad their traditions didn't stick.

Fortunately, never needed them. Definitely not for the likes of some.

Btw, that was a direct insult to an ex-serviceman. Shame. But hey what would a mere analyst know or care about their sacrifice, right? One only resorts to smart aleck comments or unsubstantiated accusations others when one cannot logically counter points.

 

[jbond197]

At least with British officers you can expect manners, supercilious though they may be. Too bad their traditions didn't stick.

Japanese exhibits excellent mannerism as well too bad their tradition didn't stick either

 

[CardSharp]

Fortunately, never needed them. Definitely not for the likes of some.

Btw, that was a direct insult to an ex-serviceman. Shame. But hey what would a mere analyst know or care about their sacrifice, right? One only resorts to smart aleck comments or unsubstantiated accusations others when one cannot logically counter points.

Hey I'm just a punk kid yet he's the retired general that's posting the equivalent of Indian toilet articles from a Japanese website to suit his arguments.

 

[Brotherhood]

Wow, you really want to drag this discussion down into the gutter.

At least with British officers you can expect manners, supercilious though they may be. Too bad their traditions didn't stick.

And its coming from a so-called MOD from IDF, imagine whats he's like over there?