India Russia might sign contract for 154 FGFA this november

[Mirza Jatt]

waiting for 2016 prototype test. Nothing is worth commenting before that.

 

[[Bregs]]

For 5th generation aircraft India has limited option and this one is the best to sign this contract and first up buy T50 in made Russia and later modi\fy for IAF specific needs as done with SU 30 mki

 

[Ankit Kumar 001]

Well , not possible.
I am one of themost optimistic Indians , you all will find. But this is not true.

The IAF during their exercise in Russia had again tested the Su35 with its power plant which is being used as a power plant for PAK FA too. And let me be frank IAF was not at all impressed.

This biggest achievement would be an agreement to build and supply 2 prototypes to IAF by 2017.

Yes for meanwhile we might get 2 squadrons of PAK FA.
But our ultimate goal is the FGFA.

Also these media noises seems to be paid. And if the media is reporting in favour of Russian Aircraft, I can tell the Rafale deal is moving quick .

@Abingdonboy

 

[PARIKRAMA]

i did not wanted to say that but 154 numbers is actually picked by newsreports from the vivek raghuvanshy Defense news site article on June 2015. So at present other than that in no place IAF had put that as requisite numbers in last 6 months. Infact IAF has said just 65.... and did not elaborate more... again that also in indian publications and no where Chief Raha had made any comments on the number aspect specifically quoting any of the figures - 65/157/127/250 etc.. at least not in last 6 months,,,

And what of the MTA?

They will say why take a small MTA.. take PAK TA the transport version of PAKFA platform..
With that u can transport Armata too..
MTA whenever i remember that i feel like

 

[Skillrex]

Well , not possible.
I am one of themost optimistic Indians , you all will find. But this is not true.

The IAF during their exercise in Russia had again tested the Su35 with its power plant which is being used as a power plant for PAK FA too. And let me be frank IAF was not at all impressed.

This biggest achievement would be an agreement to build and supply 2 prototypes to IAF by 2017.

Yes for meanwhile we might get 2 squadrons of PAK FA.
But our ultimate goal is the FGFA.

Also these media noises seems to be paid. And if the media is reporting in favour of Russian Aircraft, I can tell the Rafale deal is moving quick .

@Abingdonboy

For 5th generation aircraft India has limited option and this one is the best to sign this contract and first up buy T50 in made Russia and later modi\fy for IAF specific needs as done with SU 30 mki

i totally agreed with both points you gentleman made.. i am no expert.. but i guess fgfa is a twin seater and t-50 is a single seater.. that means heavy modification needed on t-50... and if i am guessing correctly for russians their top priority is t-50.. not fgfa.. so it will be wise for IAF to go for few sqads t-50 immediately fill the gaps up.. than do side developement on fgfa in india in indian way just like mki..
@Abingdonboy

 

[#hydra#]

Antony is replaced by Parrikar and MMS is replaced by Modi. What do you think ?

Almost Two long years has passed.I saw difference only on the color of dothis, earlier it was whit dothi & now it's replaced with saffron one.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Almost Two long years has passed.I saw difference only on the color of dothis, earlier it was whit dothi & now it's replaced with saffron one.

How does 26 May 2014 to now translate as 2 years ?

What were you expecting in this time frame ?

 

[#hydra#]

How does 26 May 2014 to now translate as 2 years ?

What were you expecting in this time frame ?

Thats why I use the word almost before "two'. Ok for your sake its just nearly one & half year( a month less actually). But that doesn't change the fact.

 

[Mamsalaphala]

Thats why I use the word almost before "two'. Ok for your sake its just nearly one & half year( a month less actually). But that doesn't change the fact.

I repeat. What were you expecting in this time ?

 

[#hydra#]

I repeat. What were you expecting in this time ?

Man I cast my vote for modi expecting some swift changes both in defense & socio economic sectors, (since its a defence forum I won't talk any thing about later) I agree that they given order for apache & apart from what they have done all these days?
They reduced 126 figure rafis to 36 in the beginning,many months has passed but still no agreement ( of course its an insanely over priced one,if they are not satisfied with price they should cancel & go for another options ,and give some room for airforces to breath). Our under water fighting capabilities are pathetic still no decent torpedo for our submarines. When they reduced proposed number for army mountain division I thought our govt want to make army to be better equipped with top quality gears, the light weight howitzer still is an oasis.
It's a pathetic situation, no major defence purchases so far,every one praising Mr Parker including you & I am agreeing that he is better one compared to Mr Antony. But man we had a defence minister in earlier NDA govt one Mr George Fernandez, u have to compare pariker with george, not with some usles Sonia bakht.
And finally he always mouth fartef about befiting reply,& where is that reply?

Man if u can't do any wonder with in first year means they can't do it next four years also.

 

[knight11]

The IAF during their exercise in Russia had again tested the Su35 with its power plant which is being used as a power plant for PAK FA too. And let me be frank IAF was not at all impressed.

You are right IAF was not impressed with the progress of the T-50, but I think the reason for their unhappiness was not related to the power plant which is in the development, but the way Russians are handling the T-50 project. Russians are hiding too much from the IAF, and IAF have doubts on its Stealth features and other 5th Gen fighter plane characteristics, which Russia are promising. IAF sure wants Real 5th Gen Stealth Punch, to have superiority over PLAF qualitatively, not a handsome, agile, 360 degree maneuvering flanker with trapezium airframe.

 

[#hydra#]

You are right IAF was not impressed with the progress of the T-50, but I think the reason for their unhappiness was not related to the power plant which is in the development, but the way Russians are handling the T-50 project. Russians are hiding too much from the IAF, and IAF have doubts on its Stealth features and other 5th Gen fighter plane characteristics, which Russia are promising. IAF sure wants Real 5th Gen Stealth Punch, to have superiority over PLAF qualitatively, not a handsome, agile, 360 degree maneuvering flanker with trapezium airframe.

Is there any better fighter than T50 provided its accessible to IAF? I think answer is no since there is no f22 offeer to IAF so far.

 

[knight11]

MEDIA REPORTED ON THE CONTRACT FOR THE FIFTH-GENERATION FIGHTER FOR INDIA
OCTOBER 22, 2015

Translated version :


During the visit of the Indian delegation to Moscow in November can be resolved the issue of the supply of fighters Delhi FGFA (version of the T-50 aircraft for India). This writes the Indian newspaper The Financial Experess citing sources in the Defense Ministry of the country.

According to sources during the visit is planned to sign a firm contract for the supply of 154 vehicles and FGFA agreement on the division of work on the aircraft (which will be collected at the Indian plant of Russian vehicle sets) as well as to pinpoint the number of single and double versions of the fighter.

FGFA is still seen as the most important priority is to upgrade the Indian Air Force the magazine writes citing a senior source in the Indian Defense Ministry. However due to the reduction of the original plans to replenish the number of aircraft purchased new machines fighters may change in the smaller side.

Earlier in January 2015 reported Russia and India agreed on a draft project fighter FGFA. In February 2015 “Rosoboronexport» said agreed that the technical details of the parties moved on to discuss the commercial part of the deal.

In the development of promising fighter FGFA involved Russian holding “Sukhoi” and India’s Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. The share of India’s participation in the project was set at 40 percent. Double FGFA aircraft will be armed with the Indian guided missile Astra and the supersonic cruise missile “Brahmos” joint development with Russia.

FGFA prototype was developed on the basis of Russian fighter T-50 (PAK FA). India expects to receive the first prototype test in 2016. Series production aircraft to begin in 2021. Earlier it was reported that the Indian military had planned to adopt 200 such fighters. The total project cost was estimated at $ 35 billion.

Actually I doubt this report, can anyone confirm the report. The source seems to me from some Russian site.may be some blog rushincash.com.

Is there any better fighter than T50 provided its accessible to IAF? I think answer is no since there is no f22 offeer to IAF so far.

But F-35 is also not barred, and could be considered in future who knows.
Its right that India wants FGFA, because the country in the east is quickly building its 4th Gen replacing its old absolute fighter planes, but also have two 5th Gen in development. IAF have always tries to compensate the quantitative disadvantage with the quality edge, but its not there anymore. Looking at the Russian economy, Chinese money which could be pumped that can attracts best of their Scientists & Engineers, Ukraine crisis and the last but not the least Russia is not the Soviet anymore, and I have doubts on T-50 program.

I am in favour of giving ADA 2 billion to start a parallel program on AMCA for R&D ASAP.

This fortnight the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which is responsible for the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) project, will brief its new boss on a project that will shape the future of the Indian Air Force (IAF) --- the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), an indigenous “fifth-generation” (Gen-5) fighter more advanced than anything on the IAF’s inventory. After briefing Dr S Christopher, the new Defence Research & Development Organisation (DRDO) chief who is also ex-officio director-general of ADA, the AMCA proposal will be taken to Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar, who has specifically asked for a briefing. After Mr Parrikar’s green light, the DRDO will seek $4 billion (currently Rs 25,000 crore, but this would fluctuate with the rupee) to design and develop the AMCA, build and test-fly prototypes, and give the IAF a Gen-5 fighter within 15 years.

There are various experts that doubt that ADA could not do this, but still I believe it is doable -- keeping aside the engine developement aka don't link AMCA with Kaveri-2.

1. The technology developed with AMCA could reflect in Tejas MK-2.
2. Many countries could be interested to join AMCA --- Israel, Brazil, Germany, Taiwan

PAF ACM will visit Moscow in November which made our Eastern neighbour sleepless . And after MMRCA sop their comes another Gassy drama .
But Russian are not French

There was one thread about the Pakistani Wish list of weapons from Russia, and a long thread on Su-35 purchase for PAF, one question for Su-35 deal for PAF -- What makes the Pakistani thinks that it is not sanction prone ?

 

[The Ultranationalist]

Good Now we can look into our Stealth fighter option.

F-35 J-20

god, why do most pakistanis think irrationally. buy a squadron of F35s and you people will literally be eating grass

 

[surya kiran]

@Abingdonboy

Have been saying this since Jan that we will be buying the PakFa as is. They have excess capacities and we may see gradual upgradation of the same. And FGFA later.

The future will include Rafale, FGFA/PakFa, Su-30 and the Tejas. And this is only the IAF.