Featured India rejects China's suggestion of 'equidistant disengagement' from Finger area in eastern Ladakh

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Very well put! They underestimated Indian response and have now lost a huge market over a small strip of land where no one lives. This pushed India closer into the arms of West and US.

It just shows China does not care about it's $80 billion bilateral trade with India.

You don't matter as much as you like to think you do.

I wonder why the US, West, Russia and the Quad did not bother to give a single statement in favour of India against China between 5 May 2020 - 16 June 2020?

 

[rent4country]

Lol. When? After Hindu Extremist PM Narendra Modi finishes preparing his next surrender statement?

Indian Humiliation Statement 2019
"Agar Rafale hota to yeh na hota."

Indian Surrender Statement 2020
"Na koi wahan hamari seema mein ghus aaya hai, na hi koi ghusa hua hai, na hi hamari koi post kisi dusre ke kabze mein hain."

Can't understand the language. Google translate does not work. I put it into google translate and selected "auto-detect language".. and this was the result.

 

[Han Patriot]

India rejects China's suggestion of 'equidistant disengagement' from Finger area in eastern Ladakh
Updated: 23 Aug 2020, 03:26 PM ISTANI
After the diplomatic level talks, the two sides are also working to hold more military-level talks to resolve the boundary issue which has been going on for more than three months now


NEW DELHI : While efforts are underway to resolve the ongoing border dispute, India has rejected the Chinese suggestion to disengage equidistantly from the Finger area in Eastern Ladakh.

After the diplomatic level talks, the two sides are also working to hold more military-level talks to resolve the boundary issue which has been going on for more than three months now.
Meanwhile, the top military commanders have also told their field commanders to be fully prepared for any eventuality or action on the Line of Actual Control (LAC) even as the Indian side is preparing for a long haul on the border.

"The Chinese side had made a suggestion that both India and China should go back equidistantly from the Finger-4 area. The suggestion is not acceptable to the Indian side," Sources told ANI.


At the moment, the Chinese are around the Finger 5 near the Pangong Tso lake and have deployed a large number of troops and equipment at the over five-kilometer stretch from Finger 5 to Finger 8 beyond which the Chinese bases existed before April-May timeframe.

The Indian side is clear that the Chinese should disengage completely from the Finger area and move back to their original location.

Sources said accepting the Chinese side's suggestion was out of the question. India is also raising the point about Chinese violating the agreements between both sides during 1993-1996 which prohibits construction of any kind at locations where the perception of the LAC differed between both sides.

The Chinese have done construction in the Finger area also where Indian territory extends up to Finger 8.


The Indian side is firm that the Chinese should first disengage and then the two sides can discuss de-escalation from Eastern Ladakh and Depsang Plains and Daulat Beg Oldi areas.

India and China have been engaged in a dispute since April-May timeframe when the Chinese moved troops along the Eastern Ladakh sector transgressing in multiple areas like Finger, Galwan valley, Gogra heights, and Hot Springs.

India rejects China's suggestion of 'equidistant disengagement' from Finger area

After the diplomatic level talks, the two sides are also working to hold more military-level talks to resolve the boundary issue which has been going on for more than three months now

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I told you guys, it's about creating buffer zones. Forcing India to accept it. So pesky Indians can't 'patrol' here and there.

 

[rent4country]

I told you guys, it's about creating buffer zones. Forcing India to accept it. So pesky Indians can't 'patrol' here and there.

The article clearly states they rejected what you 'told' everyone.

 

[Beast]

Why don't you share your casualty numbers if you have the guts to doom us.

Sure, you mean a make up list from India? Of cos Indian need to save face by falsify many Chinese soldiers dead to hide India impotent for failing to score a kill even PLA didnt even use arm weapon.

Names Of 56 Former PLA Generals Viral As Slain Chinese Soldiers | BOOM

BOOM found that the viral list was taken right out of a Wikipedia page on Chinese generals.

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A list of names of 56 individuals is being shared on social media with the claim that they are the slain Chinese soldiers from the Galwan Valley clash the occurred between Indian and Chinese troops on June 15. This claim is false; BOOM found that those names belong to 56 former Generals of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), and that the list has been taken right out of a Wikipedia page called "List of generals of the People's Republic of China".

China didnt reveal the figures just to save face for Modi as he agree it is his folly, on the condition PLA dont reveal our zero dead figure to save him further from congress grilling.
And it works. He admit PLA never intrude into any India territories and it was Indian aggression. See the video of modi speech. Maybe you want to claim Modi lied?

 

[Beast]

Very well put! They underestimated Indian response and have now lost a huge market over a small strip of land where no one lives. This pushed India closer into the arms of West and US.

LOL.. Why Huawei Honor and XIaomi are still top smartphone seller in India? I thought u indian has pride?

India not buying Chinese good will only put Indian under the mercy of US, EU, Japan expensive goods which offer no better quality but 3-4 times higher.
Go ahead and abandon made in China goods. If your loss and not us.

 

[The BrOkEn HeArT]

Dude Indian soldiers will freeze to death over the Winter thanks to terrible logistics (which was evident at Galwan) ... come spring, the Chinese will find the Indians encased in giant ice cubes and post pictures to Weibo

You don't know anything about Indian Army or India China conflict, so stop commenting on it. It makes you looks like a fool.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Only one solution...

Vacate buffer zone....

Not a single inch captured by any country but claimed territory (called buffer zone) are clash points..

No option for both country because both countries has enough power to send each other to hell.

 

[Han Patriot]

The article clearly states they rejected what you 'told' everyone.

I said it was 'our' plan, I am Chinese. Since when am I Indian, you can reject everything, we would just keep occupying stuff and you will continue to whine.

 

[zhxy]

Only one solution...

Vacate buffer zone....

Not a single inch captured by any country but claimed territory (called buffer zone) are clash points..

No option for both country because both countries has enough power to send each other to hell.

The real question is whether it is worth the effort, lives and resources to fight a major war over a few dozen square kilometers in the middle of the Himalayas. India is China's sixth largest trading partner, and will probably be top three in a decade. If not, then we're going to have these minor skirmishes every few years as a norm. I don't see either side making any major concessions.

 

[rent4country]

I said it was 'our' plan, I am Chinese. Since when am I Indian, you can reject everything, we would just keep occupying stuff and you will continue to whine.

I thought they were occupying an entire state of yours or that's what the Chinese claim.

 

[lonelyman]

So what are you gonna do if we don't budge? Keeps on bragging?

keeps on begging

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

Could someone knowledgeable about the developments there please shed some light on the possible Chinese objectives of this whole operation?

Not bravado and chest thumping. I'm sure we've had it plenty in this thread. No one here is a Chinese or Indian general so there is no point in saying we will do this or that.

Hopefully we could use the forum to have a mature discussion where one gets to learn.
So if anyone actually has a better idea, given that some time has passed and negotiations have been on going with some details coming out. What sort of strategic and tactical objectives were/are the Chinese hoping to achieve from all this at this time.

 

[Imran Khan]

it was great to see how paksitan and china turned DARINDA MODI to SURRENDER MODI in just 2 years man .

 

[rent4country]

Salaam

Could someone knowledgeable about the developments there please shed some light on the possible Chinese objectives of this whole operation?

Not bravado and chest thumping. I'm sure we've had it plenty in this thread. No one here is a Chinese or Indian general so there is no point in saying we will do this or that.

Hopefully we could use the forum to have a mature discussion where one gets to learn.
So if anyone actually has a better idea, given that some time has passed and negotiations have been on going with some details coming out. What sort of strategic and tactical objectives were/are the Chinese hoping to achieve from all this at this time.

I'm pretty knowledgeable of many things about China from their foreign policy and objective perspective. But this forum is not conducive to any constructive conversations around them, so I'll be as brief as possible in my answer.

Here are a few thoughts on the subject among US foreign and military policy think tanks. In no particular order

1. There is a serious conversation among US intelligence that thinks this action was done without Beijing's full knowledge. General Zhao Zongqi, who heads the Chinese Army's West Theatre Command, is a well-known hothead. It's has been a long-standing belief among US intelligence groups that the Chinese party heads don't have full control over their Generals i.e. Their military goes rogue at times - which, as you can imagine, is extremely dangerous.

A quick example of going rogue- US Sec of Defense under George W Bush, named Robert Gates, was on an official visit to China. It's an accepted protocol that when such a head comes to your country, you avoid military trials or showboat your military assets specifically made to attack that country (the US in this case). The Chinese general ordered a test of the J20 on that day Gates was visiting with the Chinese President. Robert Gates publically stated that the Chinese political leaders were taken by surprise when he informed of the test and seemed visibly flabbergasted.

2. Another possible reason for this is pretty straightforward. It's about China's venture in Doklam. That exchange with India was an outright embarrassing result for China. The Chinese have been sitting on a plan to try and humiliate India ever since. It's just how they are; they will push and prod till you pushback.

BUT it seems China did not imagine the kind of retaliation India has doled out. Sanctions, the complete tilt to the quad, the removal of Chinese investment and future in the Indian market, and of course, the potential loss of 100's of billions of dollars in future trade and all over an unhabitable strip of land. What India has done is just the tip of the iceberg; India is actively moving to divest from China & ultimately treat China as a trading partner similar to Pakistan.

What did they hope for as an outcome?
Ultimately, they had two end goals—one where India just walked away and did not wish to confront. Second, in the absence of the first, you saw what they just offered to India. Which was they will back off Indian territory as long as India also backs off and creates a buffer zone. Effectively, asking India to back off its land.

IMO, there is going to be inevitable Indian military retaliation eventually if they don't go back to the past agreements in place.

I hope you found my reply interesting and meaningful.