India ready to negotiate a global no-first-use nuke treaty

[CorporateAffairs]

How ironic that India started the nuclear arms race in South Asia and threatened Pakistan with nukes...

Our nuclear weapons or defence might is never directed at you guys.

We have a bigger guy to take care of.

Chill

 

[HariPrasad]

Please provide credible sources for these claims. Especially for the claims about Agni-2 carrying 1 Mt, and for that intriguing bit about "a laser which is capable of igniting fusion device".

Here are the links dear.

http://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/PubDat_176612.pdf

India's Nuclear Force Structure

 

[janon]

Here are the links dear.

http://publik.tuwien.ac.at/files/PubDat_176612.pdf

India's Nuclear Force Structure

Sigh!!!

The first link is about "laser ignition in hydrogen–air mixtures" for use in internal combustion engines. Just because the title of the paper has the words "hydrogen" and "bomb" in it (and not together) does not mean that it is about nuclear bombs or nuclear fission. It is about starting engines by burning hydrogen and air together. Please google the term "combustion bomb" and find out what that is - it is not a "bomb" as in weapon. That whole paper is about engines, not weapons. There is no such thing as a laser that set off a nuclear bomb from afar. That is simply a complete misunderstanding on your part.

This is what they are talking about:

The second link says nothing about Agni-2 having megaton warheads, or any other numbers you claimed. On the contrary, that page repeatedly asserts what I said, that India's thermonuclear design has a maximum yield of 400 Kt. They also have an interesting account of a debate within India's nuclear proponents, about whether 250-400 kt bombs or 16-25 Kt bombs of the Hiroshima class will give the best deterrent value for money.

Here is one such part that categorically says that India does not currently possess Mt yield capability, and probably never will, because we have a self imposed moratorium on further testing and due to the futility of bigger yields:

However, India's 45 Kt, two-stage thermonuclear explosion during the tests of May 1998 has the potential to be upgraded to a practical capability of about 200 Kt only.76 For weapons in the megaton class to be developed, further refinement of the design and additional physical testing would be necessary. As India has unilaterally renounced further nuclear tests, it is doubtful if such a capability can be created. Also, as missile accuracies continue to improve and CEPs drop to hundreds of metres and lesser, the trend among the P-5 is to limit warhead yields to between 200 to 300 Kt. Yields in this range should be adequate for India's purposes also for a counter-value strategy provided India can develop ballistic missiles with a CEP of less than 500 metres.

There are many more such statements in the page you linked.

 

[Broccoli]

It did. Shakti-1 was a two stage thermonuclear device with 45 Kt test payload and 200 Kt deployable payload, Shakti-2 and Shakti-3 were both pure fission bombs, and Shakti 4 and 5 were experimental devices with very little payload.

India's Nuclear Weapons Program - Operation Shakti: 1998

nukarchive gives figure of less than 30kt for Indian thermonuclear test.

 

[janon]

nukarchive gives figure of less than 30kt for Indian thermonuclear test.

Well, different sources give different figures. According to the Indian govt, it was a 45 Kt test yield. Nukearchive says so as well:

The first group of three tests (Shakti I, II, and III) were reported to have a combined yield of about 55 (or 58) kilotons and consisted of a two stage thermonuclear weapon design (Shakti I) with a yield of 43 kt, +/- 3 kt, (also stated to be 43-45 kt), a 12 kt test of a light compact weaponized tactical fission bomb, and a 0.2 kt tactical fission weapon.

The website also alleges that both India and Pakistan may have overstated their yield, according to outside experts (who had to rely on satellite images of crater radius of the underground tests - which, needless to say, cannot be too accurate).

Anyway, I shall leave that open. According to India the yield of the tested load was 45Kt, and the design is capable of being scaled to 200Kt by adding more payload. Since the Hiroshima bomb was barely 16 Kt, I'd say that the design is more than enough for strategic deterrence. As it stands, experts are now of the opinion that 20-25Kt warheads are much more value for money (bang for the buck, pun intended) than 100 Kt+ ones. The P-5 countries have most of their arsenals in the form of small warheads for this reason.

Here is a detailed analysis on nukearchive by outsiders, estimating the tested yield to have been 32 Kt:

What Are the Real Yields of India's Tests?

The consensus among outside seismic experts is that the yields of most Indian tests are overstated (particularly Pokhran-I or "Smiling Buddha" and Shakti-I), and that the very existence of Shakti IV-V is in question. Interestingly, the case with the Pakistani tests (conducted in a far different geological environment) is similar - claimed yields do not match the seismic evidence. No well-founded explanation is available for such a consistent pattern of deception by both India and Pakistan .

 

[Lightningbolt]

Sorry but you don't negotiate nothing when you don't have thermonuclear weapons.

Until India proves it has thermonuclear weapons, it shouldn't be taken as a serious nuclear power. They certainly don't have the delivery capabilities because they don't have miniaturised warheads.

 

[Thorough Pro]

BC istamal naheen karna tha tu banaya bund mein lanay kay liay that?

India ready to negotiate a global no-first-use nuke treaty | idrw.org

 

[gslv mk3]

Sorry but you don't negotiate nothing when you don't have thermonuclear weapons.

Until India proves it has thermonuclear weapons, it shouldn't be taken as a serious nuclear power. They certainly don't have the delivery capabilities because they don't have miniaturised warheads.

Oh really?India does not have miniaturised RVs or Thermonuclear warheads?Kid please...

 

[Icewolf]

Our nuclear weapons or defence might is never directed at you guys.

We have a bigger guy to take care of.

Chill

Problem is if that big guy even notices you...

India vs China...
Its like the class midget trying to get the attention of the tallest jock...
Unfortunately he has already been given a bloody nose (1962) and the midget wants revenge... Lolz.

 

[gslv mk3]

Problem is if that big guy even notices you...

India vs China...
Its like the class midget trying to get the attention of the tallest jock...
Unfortunately he has already been given a bloody nose (1962) and the midget wants revenge... Lolz.

Ever heard of Chola incident genius?And what is a pakistan?a cheerleader??

 

[Icewolf]

Ever heard of Chola incident genius?And what is a pakistan?a cheerleader??

Who cares about Chola and Bhola??

Only Indians take to their hearts small battles like that.
Fact is Nehru tried to get smart and India got a bloody nose and a broken leg in 1962...

 

[gslv mk3]

Who cares about Chola and Bhola??

Only Indians take to their hearts small battles like that.
Fact is Nehru tried to get smart and India got a bloody nose and a broken leg in 1962...

Yeah trolls wont care about Chola incident...you are very good at cheerleading...