India ready to negotiate a global no-first-use nuke treaty

[Hafizzz]

Ok the world may call China a liar. But I do not think China cares if world calls them liar. National security is more important then world calling China liar.

Actually China cares how the world sees her !

Back then when the Russian Czar forced China to give away the "Russian Far East" and "chunks of Manchuria" to Russia and when the Russian Communist overthrew their Russian Czar they decided to return the "Russian Far East and chunks of Manchuria" back to China but China said "No Thanks since I made a promise to give away those lands to Russia I will keep my promised that I have made".

So you can tell from the above example how much China cares about what she said (No first use policy). If China said she will not use nukes first then she will keep her words (no matter what happens).

do you think the world would not condemn/sanction china for using Nukes first if it does not have NFU????
IMO No and the world would still criticize and sanction China if it uses Nukes, even if it doesnt have NFU.

If China has no first use policy and she is under attack by a strong Power such as the USA then she will use nuke and I doubt the world will sanction China for doing so because she is fighting for her survival.

so how can NFU ensure that a country does not use Nukes first. and if NFU cannot guarantee no first use of Nukes, then what is the benefit of NFU?

The guarantee of NFU policy depends on the country who declares it. Now I am not sure if India will use or not use nukes if she is under attack by China who is militarily far more superior than India.

 

[rafiqali]

India has reached in a league of +1 MT TN device now. Within Next 10 years It will cross +5 MT device.

Oh com on! Not so hyperbolic. Tell lies you can defend.

 

[janon]

India has reached in a league of +1 MT TN device now. Within Next 10 years It will cross +5 MT device.

India's nuclear design has a maximum yield of 400 Kt. It was tested upto 45 Kt, and the design allows upto 400 Kt, depending on the payload. We have not designed, or tried too design anything more powerful than that. It is a design limitation, we cannot increase yield to 1 Mt just by adding more payload, just like a boeing-747 cannot go mach 2, no matter how powerful the engine. It is more than enough to obliterate any city. By comparison, the yield of the Hiroshima bomb was 16 Kt. Even our test device was thrice as powerful.

We do not have any megaton design, nor do we need one. If Pakistan is the target, I doubt we would use anything over 100 Kt, because the fallout may impact us too, since we lie so close.

 

[Gentelman]

Mature development! That's the key word. The mechanical and other parts are to be physically tested repeatedly before one can go on to simulation.

Pardon me but in every cast there is first simulation in enginnering works from dams to all equips……
Well everyone has his own POV……
but let me say you really disappointed me…
This world would be a radioactive wasteland if things would be tested like you expect them to be…

 

[peaceful]

when the economy crashed,
when millions of indian children died in the past few years.

the loser government of india want to pretend to be a world leader.

seriously, who cares your idea? you are not even a globally recognized nuclear states, you are not a UNSC permanent member.

 

[HariPrasad]

India's nuclear design has a maximum yield of 400 Kt. It was tested upto 45 Kt, and the design allows upto 400 Kt, depending on the payload. We have not designed, or tried too design anything more powerful than that. It is a design limitation, we cannot increase yield to 1 Mt just by adding more payload, just like a boeing-747 cannot go mach 2, no matter how powerful the engine. It is more than enough to obliterate any city. By comparison, the yield of the Hiroshima bomb was 16 Kt. Even our test device was thrice as powerful.

We do not have any megaton design, nor do we need one. If Pakistan is the target, I doubt we would use anything over 100 Kt, because the fallout may impact us too, since we lie so close.

1 MT bomb is very much on the card. Our noclear arsenal was to be developed in 3 phases.

It is also been heard that India has developed a laser which is capable of igniting fusion device. That give India a capability to develop TN device of any yield.

I quote some DATA from one research paper.

Phase I: 2000-2010

l Prithvi-plus unit 1 (8 launchers) 16 (20 to 30 Kt fission)

l Agni-I unit 1 (8 launchers) 24 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

l Dhanush 4 launchers 8 (20 to 30 Kt fission)

l SU-30s, Mirage-2000s -- 32 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

Jaguars

Total 80 warheads

Phase II: 2011-2020

l Prithvi-plus units 2 (16 launchers) 16 (20 to 30 Kt fission)

l Agni-I unit 1 (8 launchers) 24 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

l Agni-II units 2 (16 launchers) 36 (1 Mt)

l 2 x SSBNs 24 (SLBM launchers) 26 (1 Mt)

l SU-30s, Mirage-2000s -- 48 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

Total 150 warheads

Phase III: 2021-2030

l Prithvi-plus units 2 (16 launchers) 16 (20 to 30 Kt fission)

l Agni-I units 1 (8 launchers) 24 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

l Agni-II units 3 (24 launchers) 54 (1 Mt)

l Surya ICBM ? ?

l 4 x SSBNs 48 (SLBM launchers) 50 (1 Mt)

l SU-30s -- 56 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

Total 200

 

[HariPrasad]

Oh com on! Not so hyperbolic. Tell lies you can defend.

OK guy ask some physicist how difficult it is to build a 1 MT TN device for a country having a capability to build its own fast breeder reactor.

Do you know in how much time all other Nuclear power took to reach a stage of TN device after first test of Fission device? I will tell you. Less than 5 years. If you know that than you can easily understand that Making a 1MT TN device is not at all difficult for a country that tested its first Nuclear device way back in 1973.

 

[Glorino]

Well enunciated foreign policy objectives of India delivered with clarity by Salman Kurshid at the UN General Assembly
Big thanks

 

[rafiqali]

OK guy ask some physicist how difficult it is to build a 1 MT TN device for a country having a capability to build its own fast breeder reactor.

Whats a Fast Breeder got to do with TN design? Are you trying to pull a fast one ?

And the issue is not of design alone. You can't have a reliable TN without testing.

 

[HariPrasad]

Whats a Fast Breeder got to do with TN design? Are you trying to pull a fast one ?

And the issue is not of design alone. You can't have a reliable TN without testing.

It is about designing complex Nuclear technology. Whether it is TN device or Fast breeder reactor.
OK than tell me How could we test TN device in 1998. If we can do that in 1998 that we can certainly do that in 2013.
Do you know anything about Nuclear bomb designs have undergone a sea change even after US, Russia and France stopped testing Nuclear devices way back in early 90s?

 

[rafiqali]

It is about designing complex Nuclear technology. Whether it is TN device or Fast breeder reactor.
OK that tell me How could we test TN device in 1998. If we can do that in 1998 that we can certainly do that in 2013.
Do you know anything about Nuclear bomb designs have undergone a sea change even after US, Russia and France stopped testing Nuclear devices way back in early 90s?

I know a lot about bomb designs, probably more than you could ever expect to know.

US / Russia went for simulations after they had physically tested hundreds of bombs.

It is ignorants like you who believe that deployment ready reliable weapons can be designed through software simulataions and without actual testing.

 

[HariPrasad]

when the economy crashed,
when millions of indian children died in the past few years.

the loser government of india want to pretend to be a world leader.

seriously, who cares your idea? you are not even a globally recognized nuclear states, you are not a UNSC permanent member.

For your tiny brain with love.

India to meet poverty reduction goal by 2015: UN Report

India's Silent Poverty Reduction Miracle | RealClearPolitics

 

[Lightningbolt]

India does not have thermonuclear bombs. There is no proof of this, just speculation.

 

[janon]

1 MT bomb is very much on the card. Our noclear arsenal was to be developed in 3 phases.

It is also been heard that India has developed a laser which is capable of igniting fusion device. That give India a capability to develop TN device of any yield.

I quote some DATA from one research paper.

Phase I: 2000-2010

l Prithvi-plus unit 1 (8 launchers) 16 (20 to 30 Kt fission)

l Agni-I unit 1 (8 launchers) 24 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

l Dhanush 4 launchers 8 (20 to 30 Kt fission)

l SU-30s, Mirage-2000s -- 32 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

Jaguars

Total 80 warheads

Phase II: 2011-2020

l Prithvi-plus units 2 (16 launchers) 16 (20 to 30 Kt fission)

l Agni-I unit 1 (8 launchers) 24 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

l Agni-II units 2 (16 launchers) 36 (1 Mt)

l 2 x SSBNs 24 (SLBM launchers) 26 (1 Mt)

l SU-30s, Mirage-2000s -- 48 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

Total 150 warheads

Phase III: 2021-2030

l Prithvi-plus units 2 (16 launchers) 16 (20 to 30 Kt fission)

l Agni-I units 1 (8 launchers) 24 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

l Agni-II units 3 (24 launchers) 54 (1 Mt)

l Surya ICBM ? ?

l 4 x SSBNs 48 (SLBM launchers) 50 (1 Mt)

l SU-30s -- 56 (200 Kt thermonuclear)

Total 200

Please provide credible sources for these claims. Especially for the claims about Agni-2 carrying 1 Mt, and for that intriguing bit about "a laser which is capable of igniting fusion device".

 

[HariPrasad]

I know a lot about bomb designs, probably more than you could ever expect to know.

US / Russia went for simulations after they had physically tested hundreds of bombs.

It is ignorants like you who believe that deployment ready reliable weapons can be designed through software simulataions and without actual testing.

You could have told this without personal attack on me. Without knowing my knowledge in bomb design, you imagine that you know much more than I could even Imagine. This is a sign of a person with an incomplete knowledge.

I simply asked you a question that we get it right in first go in 1998 than why can't we get it right in 2015 after 15 years ?