India pressuring Bangladesh to sign defense treaty

[JohnyD]

It makes sense India and BD have defense treaty...we are neighbors, have fought BD liberation war together, have peacefully solved the border issue (in fact only such thing to happen in Asia in many decades)....defense treaty will bring us more closer and rule out any armed conflicts in future!

 

[Godman]

IPKF in Sri Lanka

You should google search about IPKF war crimes in SL by the way
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffna_hospital_massacre

What on earth are you talking about?

And I'm not sure I would bring up Sri Lanka as an example if you want to counter the idea of Indian hegemony.

@Gibbs @Godman @HeinzG

Answering these buggers only waste time

Sri Lanka where the Tamils were all but wiped out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indrajit_Coomaraswamy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._Sripavan

This is not including the Opposition leader ,Several government ministers ,Parliament MPs etc etc.
There are also Tamils among Sri lanka's richest and some run big media companies

 

[LA se Karachi]

You should google search about IPKF war crimes in SL by the way
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffna_hospital_massacre


Answering these buggers only waste time



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indrajit_Coomaraswamy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K._Sripavan

This is not including the Opposition leader ,Several government ministers ,Parliament MPs etc etc

Some Indians just lose track of facts sometimes, it seems.

 

[Gibbs]

What on earth are you talking about?

And I'm not sure I would bring up Sri Lanka as an example if you want to counter the idea of Indian hegemony.

@Gibbs @Godman @HeinzG

Just goes to show how little these people know what they talk about here, Every clown with internet access in India it seems claims to be a foreign affairs expert, I call them PDF Indians far removed from reality and highly delusional

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

@The Eagle, Nilgiri offended first then I offended back. Was it necessary to give me warning? You could have just deleted my post...

 

[extra terrestrial]

You guys like to throw this around a lot when it comes to India except there is ZERO evidence of this. Instead you can point to countless examples of actual hemogenic seeking behaviour in other nations around; Sri Lanka where the Tamils were all but wiped out, Bangledesh that is driving out and persecuting the Hindus and of course last but not least Pakistan that has a long history of "tolerance", inheriting 20-25% minority population that is about 1% (if that) today where the Ahmadis are given exactly zero rights and everyone wanting a Pakistani passport has to declare that Ahmadis are not even Pakistanis. Pakistan has itself commited numerous GENOCIDES against its own people over the past 70 years, in an attempt to pursue its own hegemony.

Meanwhile India is the most free, pluralistic, secular and open nation in the entire region with 100s of different ethnic groups, dialects, every major religion represented and equality for ALL enshrined in its constitution (the enacting of this may leave a lot to be desired of course). What hegemony is it you think india is seeking/implementing? The one where India has a LARGER Muslim population than PAKISTAN?

India has of course had the means and the opportunity in the past (Op Cactus in Maldives 1988, IPKF in Sri Lanka, 1971 Bangledesh liberation war) but it has not even remotely tried to actually pursue a hemogenic policy despite the fact it easily could have, in each and every occasion it has gone in, helped the local population and ENTIRELY RETREATED.

But no, big bad evil India and its hemogenic plans, right?

Reminds me of the propoganda used against Israel, they have their "evil Jewy plans" and are a threat to all Muslims and the Arab world. When in reality all the wars they have fought have been DEFENSIVE, Israel is the most advanced, peaceful, stable, modern, democratic etc etc etc (I could list platitudes all day) and decent place in the entire Middle east responsible for 99% of the region's scientific conritbutions and within its borders it is home to people from every corner of the earth including its own content Muslim/ Arab community.Meanwhile Palestine is a typical hellhole that contributes little to the rest fo the world other than instability- sound like anyone else you know?

You guys are beyond delusional. Do you even know what the word "hegemony" means? It is the last word one could use to describe a nation such as India. It would be funny seeing this sort of overt nonsense coming from a newly joined out of his mind fanboy, but from a seasoned "Think Tank"- that's just sad.


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Reading your post, seems you are the one who's confused about what a 'Hegemon' actually means...

 

[The Eagle]

@The Eagle, Nilgiri offended first then I offended back. Was it necessary to give me warning? You could have just deleted my post...

Even the language that you used deserved a fraction/warning but still, a pre-warning (check again the message you received) was issued without fraction as a soft reminder to avoid the same as such. Also, it is not necessary that other doing wrong permits you to do the same and be treated as right. However, report the offense and move-on without engaging/quoting back.

Regards,

 

[idune]

Even the language that you used deserved a fraction/warning but still, a pre-warning (check again the message you received) was issued without fraction as a soft reminder to avoid the same as such. Also, it is not necessary that other doing wrong permits you to do the same and be treated as right. However, report the offense and move-on without engaging/quoting back.

Regards,

would you please remove post 33, 42, 43 and 70-83 these are irrelevant to the thread topic and derailing the discussion. Thanks

 

[Finer]

So much reactions over expected defense treaty? There are some members who still don't see it as the side effects of this defense treaty. Nonetheless, minority-elected political party is backed by India for reasons, and certainly at the expense of betterment of Bangladesh executing majority-coalition political party's leader to death thus making mockery of the democracy and defying the legal support from the majority. Indeed, irony is written all over it.

Apparently, it is okay to support mass majority elected Modi in India and Donald Trump in USA but not Bangladesh for their betterment. It is big risk going against the wills of majority all for the sake of a nation that cannot manufacture medical kits for their survival and instead heavily reliance on China.

Perhaps, China would have been better fit but this defense treaty was the whole point of India taking short cut to maintain its political influence intact and seize the market rather than to compete with China fairly for the same market.

 

[bluesky]

It makes sense India and BD have defense treaty...we are neighbors, have fought BD liberation war together, have peacefully solved the border issue (in fact only such thing to happen in Asia in many decades)....defense treaty will bring us more closer and rule out any armed conflicts in future!

Which defence treaty you are talking here? BD policy is peaceful existence with all the neighbors. India being a very strong country needs also no such treaty with a tiny BD. Better, India gives up its forceful control of our river waters. This will be very helpful to BD.

Any defence related treaty, be it defence pact or military purchases from India will certainly backfire in the face of India. It will radicalize fanatics inside BD and this will destabilize the region. Our JeI people need such a pretext to declare war against the country itself to please their master in the west of India.

 

[idune]

Keener On Arms From China, Bangladesh Dithers On Defence Pact With India

After several postponements, the prime minister of Bangladesh, Sheikh Hasina Wajed, has finally agreed to visit India in April but her government is reluctant to sign an agreement on defence that India is pushing for.

While New Delhi has called for a comprehensive, 25-year agreement on defence cooperation, Dhaka is thought to favour agreeing a looser, and less formal, Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) that would have no time frame.

India pitched the idea of greater defence cooperation with Bangladesh when its defence minister, Manohar Parikkar, visited Dhaka in December.

“India wants a long term comprehensive defence cooperation agreement. We want to take a more calibrated, phased approach. An MOU may be a good way to begin,” said a top Bangladesh diplomat who was privy to the negotiations. He said the issue surfaced during Indian Foreign Secretary Subrahmanyam Jaishankar’s recent visit to Dhaka in late February.

“We are for greater defence cooperation with India, the relations between our defence forces are improving and we want to tackle the threat of terrorism together, but I think it is not yet time for a long-term agreement,” the diplomat said.

The agreement India proposed would cover greater military-to-military cooperation, sale and supply of military hardware from India to Bangladesh and coordinated operations against mutually perceived threats.
Bangladesh sources much of its military hardware from China – something India is wary off. Its recent purchase of two Chinese submarines raised hackles in Delhi with some Indian defence analysts even asking why Bangladesh needed submarines at all.

Bangladesh military officials are not keen on purchasing defence hardware from India, believing that India’s own reliance on military imports suggests it has few quality products of its own to offer.

They point to the poor quality of equipment India supplied to Nepal and Myanmar, while admiring Chinese equipment for being cheap and easy to use.

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But India is now willing to offer a US$500 million line of credit to Bangladesh for the purchase of military hardware. Bangladesh might welcome that and could use the funds for purchasing fast patrol craft for its coastguards and radar for its air defence.

Hasina is unwilling to push the military in this regard. “On issues of defence, she would like to go by the military’s advice,” said one of Hasina’s top advisers who did not want to be identified.

Bangladesh has a history of military coups, beginning with the assassination of Hasina’s father Sheikh Mujibur Rahman and most of her family in 1975. Civil-military relations have matured in recent years but Hasina still does not like to cross the line and prefers to go by the military’s advice on defence issues.

She is also keen to strike a balance between her country’s relations with China and India. While India has been a traditional ally for Awami League governments in Dhaka, China has emerged as a key source of development funds and defence hardware.

China and Bangladesh signed development financing deals worth US$25 billion during President Xi Jinping’s visit to Dhaka in November.

Hasina’s proposed visit to Delhi has twice been postponed – in December and February. While both foreign offices cited prior commitments of the two prime ministers, deadlock over several issues including a deal over the sharing of river water is widely considered the real problem.

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“Bangladesh is still predominantly an agricultural country. For us, river water is a crucial issue,” said Shamsul Arefin, the head of Dhaka-based think tank Bangladesh Peace Research Institute.

“Hasina needs to show some positive takeaways from her Delhi visit such as [an agreement on] water sharing. She has addressed the entire range of India’s security and connectivity concerns, like pushing out Indian rebels and allowing the transit of goods to India’s troubled northeastern region. It is payback time for India.”
Bangladesh’s parliamentary election is due in January 2019. But with a booming economy, a trade surplus and a recent clean chit to her party leaders from the World Bank over an infrastructure project, Hasina might want to advance the election by a year or more. The only problem is the elusive water sharing deal.

“The failure to find a solution to the river waters issue will surely impact the rural electorate,” said Arefin.

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While Hasina might not want to upset the army by going for a defence agreement with India, she also does not want to upset Delhi before an election. Agreeing to an MOU rather than a long-term agreement on defence cooperation would strike the right balance – upsetting neither India nor China, and not being seen as too close to either.

http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopo...s-china-bangladesh-dithers-defence-pact-india

 

[bluesky]

Why this India comes out with so many alternative proposals on defense matters? BD does not need any kind of defense treaty with India. Well-trained BD defense organizations certainly do not need any Indian cooperation on the matter of eliminating terrorism in our own land. It is same with India. Only point is how to deal with cross-border operations by the terrorists. A MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) on this subject is good enough for BD.

 

[Sine Nomine]

So much reactions over expected defense treaty? There are some members who still don't see it as the side effects of this defense treaty. Nonetheless, minority-elected political party is backed by India for reasons, and certain at the expense of betterment of Bangladesh executing majority-coalition political party's leader to death thus making mockery of the democracy and defying the legal support from the majority. Indeed, irony is written all over it.

Apparently, it is okay to support mass majority elected Modi in India and Donald Trump in USA but not Bangladesh for their betterment. It is big risk going against the wills of majority all for the sake of a nation that cannot manufacture medical kits for their survival and instead heavily reliance on China.

Perhaps, China would have been better fit but this defense treaty was the whole point of India taking short cut to maintain its political influence intact and seize the market rather than to compete with China fairly for the same market.

Nailed it king.

Why this India comes out with so many alternative proposals on defense matters? BD does not need any kind of defense treaty with India. Well-trained BD defense organizations certainly do not need any Indian cooperation on the matter of eliminating terrorism in our own land. It is same with India. Only point is how to deal with cross-border operations by the terrorists. A MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) on this subject is good enough for BD.

Watch out for terrorists now.

 

[idune]

What india pushing as part of defense agreement with Bangladesh
Various report surfaced so far entails 3 different terms india is pushing as part of a defense agreement with Bangladesh.

1) Bangladesh purchase defense equipment from india. India is pressing Bangladesh to accept $500 million to make such indian purchase.

2) India is pushing to establish command over Bangladesh defense forces in the name of joint terror operation inside Bangladesh.

3) India is pushing to be trainer to Bangladesh defense forces and eventually dismantle or run Bangladesh Military Academy.

Awami League deceptive shadow play with Bangladesh
Latest report quoted unnamed foreign ministry official from Awami League administration said - Awami league is contemplating signing a MOU for a defense agreement with some sort of commitment to india to sign multi-year defense agreement shortly afterward.

By signing a defense agreement MOU, Awami league immediate goals are to buy more time to soften Bangladesh defense forces resistance and secure indian support and interference for another farcical election and stay in power.

Awami league is looking to implement india imposed defense agreement in multiple stages –

Stage 1: Signing MOU
Stage 2: Soften Bangladesh defense forces resistance to indian imposed defense agreement.
Stage 3: Create “NEW FACTS ON THE GROUND” to create narrative that defense agreement with india is a necessity for Bangladesh.

Same tactics Awami league and india deployed to jostle corridor through Bangladesh – first, awami indian joint venture used indian funded media and agents to promote corridor as a billion dollars wind fall for Bangladesh. Second, allowed limited indian transit by blocking Bangladeshi river. Third, Awami league signed an agreement where Bangladeshis has to pay for transporting indian goods and indian transport gets priority in roads and ports over Bangladeshi business.

Overwhelming and unequivocal message:
NO one in Bangladesh wants any defense treaty or indian equipment or training or imposition of indian command over Bangladeshi force.

 

[idune]

New Delhi eyes big defence pact with Bangladesh during PM Hasina’s April visit

Updated: Mar 05, 2017 23:41 IST

With the Teesta water-sharing pact off the radar for signing, India and Bangladesh are in discussion to ink a comprehensive defence pact during the visit of Prime Minister Sheikh Hasnia to India in April.

Though the discussions on the contours are still going on, what India is eying is a comprehensive defence pact that encompasses training, sale of military hardware and military to military cooperation. India is also willing commit up to 500 million USD in line of credit for military cooperation with Dhaka.

If comes through, this would be India’s highest ever credit line for defence cooperation. For years, India was not keen on giving line of credit for defence hardware purchases, but that policy is changing slowly but steadily.

For India what lends urgency to wrap up a comprehensive pact is Dhaka’s growing proximity with China on defence matters. Hasina is slated to visit both Delhi and Ajmer. Sources said the “discussions for a defence pact is progressing and yet to reach a final shape.”

In November last year, Bangladesh purchased two submarines from China, much to the discomfiture of India. And China remains Bangladesh’s biggest supplier of military hardware.

During the visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to Dhaka last year two countries signed pacts amounting to US$ 25 billion in investments in Bangladesh.

But for Bangladesh Prime Minister Hasina, going for another major pact is not an easy proposition. The pro-India leader fights criticism is that she is giving too much to India and getting too little in return. Over the years, Hasina walked the extra mile in addressing India’s concerns over insurgency and connectivity. However, New Delhi is unable to sign the much-awaited Teesta water-sharing pact. Bangladesh and India share 54 rivers but none evokes as much passion in Bangladesh as Teesta.

But water being a state subject, the Centre cannot hope to conclude a deal on sharing Teesta water without getting West Bengal chief minister Mamata Banerjee on board. Negotiations on Teesta are on for the past 18 years.

As per an agreement of 2011, which was not signed due to opposition from Banerjee, the two sides had agreed to share the river’s water 50:50, the same as the 1996 Ganges water-sharing pact between the neighbours.

Of late, Dhaka is complaining that the flow of Teesta is thinning alarmingly.

Dhaka says that the average flow of Teesta in the last ten days of March, considered a lean season, was 315 cusecs in 2015 compared to 550 cusecs during same period in 2014.

There being not enough water is a complain that even West Bengal raises, while objecting to the water sharing pact.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...april-visit/story-jSVUAb63nlFzbHFMzchi6O.html