47: Technically we had none of Kashmir either, only by name.
Whereas you had insurgents, we pushed them back and and now we have 48%. Putting a spin on it is a classic Pakistani move, 100% is what you wanted and we didn't let you.
none the less, we still gained while you still lost. The point still remains valid. You couldn't push most of the freedom fighters and tribal fighters from present azad kashmir even if your life depended on it. Sounds like a victory to me.
65:LOL air superiority that nonsense dialogue again. Lost to ground fire mostly. We had a lower attrition as compared to PAF. what was the use of all that so perceived "air superiority" if you never gained more land than us WHICH WAS PKISTAN's ORIGINAL OBJECTIVE?
Shastri? What?
dude, what the hell is that garbage, doesn't even make any grammatical sense so the state department's telegram can hardly be considered as neutral anyways as they put sanctions on us in spite of being allies. Having said that, that telegram you posted doesn't even make any grammatical sense. Most probably a typical doctored up indian document. And yeah yeah I know, india still claims that it only lost 75 or so aircraft in combat while the rest were destroyed by some ground fire. The point is YOU STILL LOST THEM! And going by your OWN logic that claims that having prevented us from taking all of kashmir is somehow your victory, doesn't that make us preventing you from having breakfast in lahore and lunch in peshawar make US the victors? Typical double indian standards; no wonder no one takes you seriously.
Neutral sources on who won, enjoy:
71: we gained a profound sense of watching the look on your face as you saw what happens when we initiate a war as compared to what happens when you do it(amounts to nothing but crying to daddy US for help).
again, you are wrong. The war was already on between east and west Pakistan. You just took advantage of it. The fact is that you've never really had the guts to start a war, you just scream to start a war with the hopes that uncle sam would intervene on your behalf. kargil is a prime example where you begged for help.
99: Surrounding peaks son, not lower peaks. What use is your higher peak with a 200 degree repeat artillery fire?
Common sense beta common sense use karo.
LOL What? US had to threaten Pakistan? What stories Pakistanis weave to sate their inferiority complex. WAH WAH WAH WAH
Bruce Riedel aide to Clinton during 1999 war, CIA officer and NATO special adviser says,
"Sharif sought US help in extricating Pakistan from a much wider and more dangerous potential conflict, but President Clinton insisted on a Pakistani withdrawal from Kargil. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1989886.stm
you do realize the bruce riedel is heavily funded by indian lobbyist so I can hardly take your claim seriously. The bottom line is that three solid months of 3000 or more indian dead bodies and you were still thinking about "escalating"? sharif, being the little putz that he is, sought to save his own skin after he was threatened by clinton over the phone with sanctions. Only when he went there for "breakfast" was when he brought up that he'd withdraw if there are no additional sanctions and if clinton can reign musharraf in. The fact is and remains that had clinton kept his nose out, you were caught in a loose loose situation. Hey, again, the main peak is with us. If you had the guts to escalate, you would've taken it back a long time ago. Just accept it; you couldn't because you CAN'T!
LOL you lot are losing even more soldiers in SIachen, specially when we feel like a little avalanche is necessary, Poke a few hole and wellah, Pak soldiers below are burried without a shot fired.
as per your own indian express, india has lost over 800 soldiers in combat alone, far more to the environment. We haven't lost nearly as much. And avalanches happen in that area, its a natural occurrence. If you think you are causing those avalanches then I guess you must've caused this one as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/05/w...d-in-avalanche-on-himalayan-glacier.html?_r=0
67: We are not like you lot Sirji, we don't write fake history in our children's school books, only Pakistan is famous for that.
oh yeah, you only conduct sirjikal strikes on paper and try to sell it to the world as reality like the rest of your pathetic history.