India, Pakistan and the Battle for Afghanistan

[asq]

Brother, you are my friend in this forum and we are on each others' friends list as well. I didnt expect all these from you. But anyways, I am a Tajik from my father side, what is the problem with this? Have I committed any crime for having Tajik blood? Our Tajik past is brilliant and we have had a good history with many many brilliant personalities from Tajiks. Please dont judge people based on their ethnicities. TruthHurt is 100% pashtoon, i can tell you. his ideas and notions are of a Pashtoon Nationalist, I am so confident of this because I know my country and its people and the way we all behave. Unfortunately we have ethnic problems, but Pakistan has always tried to put more petrol on it to gain advantage. If you talk about Tajiks in such a bad way, trust me the Pashtoons have alot more negative idea about Pakistan. Lets not to ethnicize the whole issue as Pakistan have got the same problem just like us. We can have good relations with more positive attitude and respect to each other.

Ler me tell a truth dude.

if all Muslims thought like u do than there will be no Muslim country in this world and that dude plays in the hands of our enemies.

For instance did u ever hear Punjabis saying they want their own country, dude, think about it, it is an AGENDA of enemies of Muslims to divide us. dude

dude. Punjabis Love all their countrymen, be them Baluchis, Sindhis, or Pashtuns. It is Islam that binds us together like a rock man, a rock has to be strong not be swayed by small tempests in the tea pots.

First they did it with Arabs and SALTANANT E USMANIA.
and than divded middle east into small countires, Pakistan was further devide by these very enemies of Islam on the base of Ethnicity and now they see Pakistan as formidable force with Nuclear weapons and would love to see it fall to their designs so that it cannot defend ther honor of Muslim umma.

sure pakistan has its faults, but who does not. Think about it dude.
unless u donot believe in Islam.

 

[asq]

Hahaa, this is getting ludicrous. Every time a Pakistani member is made to see reality he gets mad. They just love living in a fools paradise.
Any way my Afghan friends, you can just keep trying, but I know in the end for them it would mean some Indian/Israel or CIA conspiracy. Or worse you all could be just RAW/Mossad agents..

tR.dude are a opertunistic trouble maker who is trying to flame the passiions of some of the members on this forum.

It is blooming pity.

 

[desiman]

man this thread is getting serious lol fun to read the comments for sure. Keep the debate on topic guys, no personal references please.

 

[Traveller]

tR.dude are a opertunistic trouble maker who is trying to flame the passiions of some of the members on this forum.

It is blooming pity.

Hi asq, we both probably at the same place(As per our flags).
Now its not passion ignition, but facts.
Here what every sensible person is saying, just let the Afghans live in peace, they have had enough.

 

[asq]

Hi asq, we both probably at the same place(As per our flags).
Now its not passion ignition, but facts.
Here what every sensible person is saying, just let the Afghans live in peace, they have had enough.

I have all the respect for Afghans, only if they stop talking about breaking Pakistan and durand line.

it is past 100 years. let us respect each others boundries and live peacefully.

I believe it is the agenda of enemies of muslims to see us fight constantly on bases of ethnicity, which is totally against Islam. if u r muslim pl. donot be used by so called seculars to push their agenda to devide us and please those who mean harm to us and use ethnicity to card.

Believe me small Muslim countries will be beneficial only for those who like us to be subseviant to them and not be able to protect our heritage, out beliefs and our families.

By the way where do you live in Canada.

 

[Traveller]

I have all the respect for Afghans,


By the way where do you live in Canada.

Hahaa, we will meet only after we have known each other a bit more.
I have here Lots and Lots of Pakistani friends...this should give you an idea of my location

 

[Ahmad]

Ler me tell a truth dude.

if all Muslims thought like u do than there will be no Muslim country in this world and that dude plays in the hands of our enemies.

For instance did u ever hear Punjabis saying they want their own country, dude, think about it, it is an AGENDA of enemies of Muslims to divide us. dude

dude. Punjabis Love all their countrymen, be them Baluchis, Sindhis, or Pashtuns. It is Islam that binds us together like a rock man, a rock has to be strong not be swayed by small tempests in the tea pots.

First they did it with Arabs and SALTANANT E USMANIA.
and than divded middle east into small countires, Pakistan was further devide by these very enemies of Islam on the base of Ethnicity and now they see Pakistan as formidable force with Nuclear weapons and would love to see it fall to their designs so that it cannot defend ther honor of Musliom umma.

asure pakistan has its faults, but who does not. Think about it dude.
unmless u donot believe in Islam.

Dear Friend,

Are you following the course of talk in this thread? Have you read my posts in this thread? have you read other people's posts in this thread? Why are you giving me this lecture? I am not the one who is bashing people based on their ethnicities. Some pakistani friends statred ethnic issues in Afghansitan and tried to condemn/bash all the non pashtoons in Afghanistan especially the Tajiks ,and on the other hand they began to say the Pashtoons of Afghanistan are good , while the onon pashtoons are bad. Then we had another 2 fellows, Pakhtunz and TruthHurts(both of them are ethnic pashtoons), they strongly rejected the idea and they said that pashtoons in pakistan are mistreated and they want both sides of the pashtoons toghether, now the other members instead of having debate with those 2 guys(pakhtunz and Truthhurts), they statred to insult my ethnicity and condemn us. but what have we done wrong? has my ethnic group ever called for your peice of land to be separated? then why are you guys hate us that much? have i ever selectively insulted any ethnic group in pakistan? have i ever said anything bad about people of pakistan? then why do you guys do this to us? You are kind and not abusive to those who want your peice of land and look down upon you, but we that have nothing to do with pakistan get all the insult. some of you are amazing, you need to educate yourself about AFghanistan.

 

[Omar1984]

Dear Friend,

Are you following the course of talk in this thread? Have you read my posts in this thread? have you read other people's posts in this thread? Why are you giving me this lecture? I am not the one who is bashing people based on their ethnicities. Some pakistani friends statred ethnic issues in Afghansitan and tried to condemn/bash all the non pashtoons in Afghanistan especially the Tajiks ,and on the other hand they began to say the Pashtoons of Afghanistan are good and loyal to pakistan, while the onon pashtoons are bad. Then we had another 2 fellows, Pakhtunz and TruthHurts(both of them are ethnic pashtoons), they strongly rejected the idea and they said that pashtoons in pakistan are mistreated and they want both sides of the pashtoons toghether, now the other members instead of having debate with those 2 guys(pakhtunz and Truthhurts), they statred to insult my ethnicity and condemn us. but what have we done wrong? has my ethnic group ever called for your peice of land to be separated? then why are you guys hate us that much? have i ever selectively insulted any ethnic group in pakistan? have i ever said anything bad about people of pakistan? then why do you guys do this to us? You are kind and not abusive to those who want your peice of land and look down upon you, but we that have nothing to do with pakistan get all the insult. some of you are amazing, you need to educate yourself about AFghanistan.

Pakistanis dont hate Tajiks, we just dont trust the Northern Alliance.

We even welcome Tajiks to our large cities.

 

[Ahmad]

Pakistanis dont hate Tajiks, we just dont trust the Northern Alliance.

We even welcome Tajiks to our large cities.

YouTube - tajik students in pakistan lahore.wmv

Oh really? and dont forget that it was Pakistan who created the nothern alliance, it was pakistan who pushed northern alliance to the arms of indians. the GOP have always maintained their hostile stance against majority of afghanistan(non pashtoons - around 60%), pakistan has always maintained its ethnic oriented policies in afghansitan. you should know that it has been the Northern alliance leaders(notably Mohammad Atta the powerful governer of Balkh) who numerousely told the pashtoon nationalists to present their case against pakistan to the UN with regards to the NWFP if they have got anything, and if they dont have anything then stop talking NWFP and let the 2 countries get on with their lives. at least the NA dont want your peice of land.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Here is yet another example of the people of Bajaur welcoming the PA and celebrating its presence:

And not one 'Pashtun who hates Pakistan and hates being called Pakistani' in sight.

Sorry to disappoint the Indians who were hanging their hats on the delusions of an 'American born, bred and educated Afghan'.

 

[Desert Fox]

I know you are angry, I must have done something right or have given some right answers to make you that much angry. I am glad to see this.

no, i'm not angry at all (at least not anymore), and i apologize if i offended any Afghan members!

 

[Ahmad]

no, i'm not angry at all (at least not anymore), and i apologize if i offended any Afghan members!

No need for an appology, hope things get changed for better.

 

[jinxeD_girl]

I hope you guys dont insult Tajiks anymore cuz it might be offensive to the Tajiks of Pakistan.

Indigenous Pamiri Tajiks of Pakistan are a very small minority. They number around 50,000 to 100,000 only. The rest are Afghan Tajiks as refugees and some Tajik Immigrants from Tajikistan.

and don't worry I am here to support you.. you have my full Punjabi support shielding you like a human shield...

Most Pakistanis on this forum don't know that the real enemy of Pakistan from Western Side are not Tajiks, Hazaras, Uzbeks etc (who are already opressed groups of Afghanistan), but Afghan Pashtuns Nationalists. I have spent enough time with Afghans. therefore I know them inside out. Pakistanis think that Pakistani Pashtoonz are loyal to Pakistan, therefore Afghan Pashtoonz are PRO-Pakistan, which is utterly wrong. It is just like Azeris of Iran and Azeribaijan. Most Azeri of Iran are PRO-IRAN as they make up the Tehrani Elite and virtually control the country, while Azerbaijani Azeri are Anti-iran as is evidenced from this forum. It doesn't mean if the people BELONG to same ethnic group, they have the same thinking too. For example. Pakistani Punjabis are PRO-Pakistan, while Indian-Punjabis (especially Sikhs) are Anti-Pakistan... Sikhs are highly represented in Indian Army.

And you are fully allowed to criticize the Pakistani Government constructively, I don't have any problem with that. Most of us here are not big fans of Pakistani government either. But when Afghan Pashtoonz start dissing Punjabis and everything associated with them, whether it is our food, culture, clothing, history, then I have to retaliate back.

And you know HOW I landed on random Afghan forums? i was searching for some Punjabi Dishes and Clothes and I ended up on Afghan Forums... and I was amazed to see that every second thread on Afghan forums was about Punjabis or end up about Punjabis (if you are a member of some Afghan forum you already know that).. how we look, how we dress, how we eat lol!.. Well I am kinda happy that Afghans are obsessed with us Punjabis to such extent!

 

[jinxeD_girl]

And you know what? Just like most Pakistanis on this forum are ignorant about the ethnic groups of Afghanistan, many Afghans are also ignorant about the ethnic groups of Pakistan. On some myspace Afghan forum, they were calling Musharraf as "Punjabi". Then I had to tell them the difference between Punjabis and Urdu speakers of Pakistan. Musharraf is a Mohajir, not Punjabi. Most Afghans club Urdu speakers with Punjabis... that is just wrong. In Pakistan, there is MORE ethnic rivalry between Urdu speakers and Punjabis as compared to Punjabis versus Pashtoonz. Mohajirs call us Donkeys etc etc and we call them Torey . But in the end, we are all FOR Pakistan... besides some little teasing..

Also, many Afghan Pashtoon claim (including TurhHurtz) that Pashtoons of Pakistan are forgetting their culture and language because of Punjabi domination on them. That is NOT true. Punjabis make the majority ethnic group of Pakistan, and Punjabi language itself DON'T have any official status in Pakistan, just like other regional languages. Many Punjabis themselves are forgetting their culture and language. Many newer generation speak Urdu instead of Punjabi. Punjabis are forced to think that Punjabi is a village language and Punjabis should abandon them. One thing I like about India is that regional languages are taught in schools. Punjabi is taught in Eastern Punjab and it has regional status. Many Punjabis suffer from the same social issues like other ethnic groups of Pakistan. Pakistan is NOT a rich country and many Punjabis are poor too..

I was checking some poverty report on the ethnic groups of Pakistan, and according to that report Punjabis, Pashtunz and Urdu Speakers are relatively better off financially and live in better areas as compared to Balochis and Sindhis. If Balochis come here and whine, then I will be the FIRST one to support them for their rights. I don't know why Afghan Pashtunz always start this propaganda against Punjabis.

Anywayz, if you don't have any problem with Punjabis, then I don't have any problem with Tajiks either. Tajiks are same as Persians, they are known as Eastern Persians, right? And I am a great admirer of Persian history, culture and people. You must have seen how many times I defended Iran on this forum.

Peace

 

[jeypore]

AgNoStIc MuSliM
December 2009, Enayatullah Nabiel, director-general in the Economic Relations department of the Afghan ministry of foreign affairs

But Nabiel pointed to a second vexing problem in the APTTA negotiations : Although the 1965 Afghan-Pakistan trade and transit pact only mentions that goods can traverse through certain “entry and exit points,” Pakistan now wanted to change this language of entry and exit points to the word “border,” a word that is anathema to the Afghan Pashtuns.

Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand Line believe the line was a cunning conspiracy created by the British to separate Pashtun tribes living in Pakistan and Afghanistan, Nabiel said.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/38920-afghan-pak-transit-trade-2.html#post587507[/I]

I really like this from you Mr. AGNO, but why not mention beforehand what he really said about the current issues:

But Nabiel pointed to a second vexing problem in the APTTA negotiations : Although the 1965 Afghan-Pakistan trade and transit pact only mentions that goods can traverse through certain “entry and exit points,” Pakistan now wanted to change this language of entry and exit points to the word “border,” a word that is anathema to the Afghan Pashtuns.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/38920-afghan-pak-transit-trade-2.html#post587507

Can you really please explain that!!! Truely AGNO!!!!