India, Pakistan and the Battle for Afghanistan

[jeypore]

So unless you have some credible polling from a credible organization backing up your fantasies of the Pakistani Pakhtun disliking Pakistan and being called Pakistani, this conversation is at an end.


So back up your claims with hard statistical evidence from credible organizations, or be banned for trolling and flaming.

Here, too, what the Pakistan Army can achieve appears to be limited. Pakistan is hugely disliked by the non-Taliban, non-Pakhtun forces in Afghanistan, while its ability to influence the Taliban and the broader Pakhtun community may be in question. What, then, are Pakistan’s options?
DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Kayani speaks

 

[jeypore]

We don't need Afghanistan as an ally - we just need it refrain fro poking its nose in Pakistan's business, something the Afghans appear intent on doing.

And again AGNO, Can you provided a hard link to this beautiful sentence!!!!

I would love a third party link...

 

[jeypore]

and we can move on to synergizing our economies and boosting trade and travel, and yes, have open borders, with certain conditions.

Isn't it to late for that now AGNO, where billions of dollars have been spent already... What can Pakistan can do to retictify the current situation at hand?

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Point taken also, but a healty debate is always nice

There is nothing healthy about an individual who is 'born, bred and educated in the US' claiming that the hundreds of Pakhtun posting on this forum from Pakistan are lying/wrong and only he, the Great One, knows the truth.

Usually this sort of attitude is referred to as delusional.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Here, too, what the Pakistan Army can achieve appears to be limited. Pakistan is hugely disliked by the non-Taliban, non-Pakhtun forces in Afghanistan, while its ability to influence the Taliban and the broader Pakhtun community may be in question. What, then, are Pakistan’s options?
DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Kayani speaks

What does your comment have to do with the parts of my post you quoted?

My comments referred to TH's fanciful theories about the 'Pakhtun hating Pakistan and hating being called Pakistani'.

The question of 'influencing' Afghanistan to respect Pakistani sovereignty and territorial integrity has long been pondered, it isn't a new quandary.

The PA has dealt with it so far, it will continue to manage it in the future as well. Militarily Afghanistan might pose a threat to Pakistan in another decade perhaps, and that too only if it has consistent sources of revenue to support a military buildup.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And again AGNO, Can you provided a hard link to this beautiful sentence!!!!

I would love a third party link...

December 2009, Enayatullah Nabiel, director-general in the Economic Relations department of the Afghan ministry of foreign affairs:

But Nabiel pointed to a second vexing problem in the APTTA negotiations : Although the 1965 Afghan-Pakistan trade and transit pact only mentions that goods can traverse through certain “entry and exit points,” Pakistan now wanted to change this language of entry and exit points to the word “border,” a word that is anathema to the Afghan Pashtuns.

Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand Line believe the line was a cunning conspiracy created by the British to separate Pashtun tribes living in Pakistan and Afghanistan, Nabiel said.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/economy-development/38920-afghan-pak-transit-trade-2.html#post587507

Karzai, Feb 2006:

Dubbing Durand line as a line of hatred Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said he does not accept this line as it has raised a wall between the two brothers.

http://www.afghannews.net/index.php?action=show&type=news&id=201

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Isn't it to late for that now AGNO, where billions of dollars have been spent already... What can Pakistan can do to retictify the current situation at hand?

Exactly what I said in that post.

But the onus for a friendly relationship is on the Afghans, not Pakistan. It is Afghanistan that has historically been hostile to Pakistan and refused to respect Pakistan's sovereignty and territorial integrity. They are the ones who have to come to terms with reality, not Pakistan.

 

[Ahmad]

this is it, i request the mods to please kick all afghans and indians who are propagating and sympathising to avail this opportunity in order to carry out their BS against pakistan here out of this forum please. this is getting really annoying.

I dont think the moderators will listen to your BS as long as i stay civil and respect Pakistan as a nation and as a country. But i will surely keep on criticizing.

 

[Ahmad]

Silent bro dont need to reply to some ignorant fool.Ahmed is a tajik who was banned from PDF earlier and this truth guy isnt a afghan hes indian or a hazara,tajik whateverI just visited an indian def forum where they were talkin about using fake IDs on PDF even some anti pakistan indian members are sprewing B.S on there crappy def forum.
About truth i bet he doesnt even know whats the capital of kunar...or other.
I bet some non-pakistani members dont even know tht most of Presidents of Pakistan were pushtoon.

Brother, you are my friend in this forum and we are on each others' friends list as well. I didnt expect all these from you. But anyways, I am a Tajik from my father side, what is the problem with this? Have I committed any crime for having Tajik blood? Our Tajik past is brilliant and we have had a good history with many many brilliant personalities from Tajiks. Please dont judge people based on their ethnicities. TruthHurt is 100% pashtoon, i can tell you. his ideas and notions are of a Pashtoon Nationalist, I am so confident of this because I know my country and its people and the way we all behave. Unfortunately we have ethnic problems, but Pakistan has always tried to put more petrol on it to gain advantage. If you talk about Tajiks in such a bad way, trust me the Pashtoons have alot more negative idea about Pakistan. Lets not to ethnicize the whole issue as Pakistan have got the same problem just like us. We can have good relations with more positive attitude and respect to each other.

 

[Ahmad]

your right bro, these people don't deserve tolerance! These Afghans are Namak Haram, they eat, sleep, and live in a country, then they talk bad about it?

And now these Afghans are on Defence.pk talking crap about Pakistan on a Pakistani forum? Hypocrites!

As for these indians, they deserve no remorse, i wonder who the hell gave them their own section of defence.pk? i would ban every one of them!

I know you are angry, I must have done something right or have given some right answers to make you that much angry. I am glad to see this.

 

[Ahmad]

this ahmed guy was previously called "unity" right??

if he is non pushtun, as you say tajik or hazara, then then non pushtun scum are really iranian, indian sympathizers who really hate pakistan and are jealous of us, and love our enemies.

Well, you guys are really amazing. Why are you attacking poor hazaras? and why tajiks? TruthHurt is a pashtoon, you guys count on pashtoons and see how TruthHurt proved you wrong.

 

[Desert Fox]

Have you heard of an Airplane?




Which ethnic group are you talking about, What I was trying to do was point out the fallacy in your post. When you mention "Afghans did this, Afghans did that" You are indirectly speaking negatively about the Pashtun nation. All Non Pashtun groups rather prefer to call themselves by their ethnic name as compared to being called an Afghan which is synonymous with Pashtun. Do you get my logic now?





When and where did I say that, Wrora, You are a Pakistani Pashtun, I am an American Pashtun, me and you have the same roots, same culture, same ancestors yet we are arguing and its a shame I tell ya, But I have visited Pakistan just a FYI.

Wrora, read the above Qurbaana.

Can you please show me where I disrespected Pakistan?
I was arguing with a member who I realized had no brains and her username was Jinxed something, But when I realized I was talking to a 5 year old, I ignored her and cleared up what you might consider controversy.




How so wrora?


Pakistani Pashtun and Afghan Pashtun are the same exact thing for me.

If you are successful, I will just as happy as if someone from Afghanistan is successful.

I love and care a lot about Pashtun ethnic group, You are a Pashtun from Pakistan, I am a Pashtun from American,

For you to disrespect a Pashtun from Afghanistan, You are disrespecting yourself and your ancestors, Most of the Afghan rulers you can think was Pashtuns. You should be proud about your history, You should be proud to be an ethnic Afghan. From Sher Shah Suri, to Ahmad Shah baba, to the Hotaki dynasty to the Lodhi dynasty. We have a brilliant culture and history that many are jealous of. If you are a Pakistani and you are happy, Believe me, as an American, I am happy for you.

My argument is my people are not given equal status in Karachi thats all. I have sources to back it up and I demand for better rights, That is all wrora. Have I cursed out Pashtuns? Have I?


Once again, I am not Afghan by nationality wrora, I am Afghan by ethnicity just like how you are.

You are Pakistani and you belong to the Afghan ethnic group from one of our famous tribes Yusufzai.

I am an American and I also belong to the Afghan ethnic group/

Can't you see that I have made up mind?

I don't give a crap about anyone who wishes to further divide Muslims.



Wrora, is my argument not clear for you?




No, That is not what I mean.

Lets see, according to history, according to Pakistan, according to your political parties, it can be argued as an ethnicity.

Why on earth would ANP say they are proud Afghans, pashtuns? when they are Pakistani, wrora, If you need material on how Afghan is an ethnic group, I can provide material.

Just google the word Afghan and you will it is synonymous with the word Pashtun.


Okay good.

Of course not. You are an ethnic Afghan also known as Pashtun.

You should have used Afghanistani instead. Why do you think people in Afghanistan want a name change? Because everyone is aware that Pashtun means Afghan and Afghan means Pashtun.

Like Kushal Khan said wrora,



You should have said that from the beginning, Thats fine.

Not at all. Read carefully.


Apology accepted.

Okay, If you say so wrora.

yeah, you do have a point bro, and i take back whatever i said that might have offended you! Long live Afghans (Pashtuns) and long live Pakistan!

 

[Traveller]

Hahaa, this is getting ludicrous. Every time a Pakistani member is made to see reality he gets mad. They just love living in a fools paradise.
Any way my Afghan friends, you can just keep trying, but I know in the end for them it would mean some Indian/Israel or CIA conspiracy. Or worse you all could be just RAW/Mossad agents..

 

[Ahmad]

I hope you guys dont insult Tajiks anymore cuz it might be offensive to the Tajiks of Pakistan.

 

[asq]

Isn't it to late for that now AGNO, where billions of dollars have been spent already... What can Pakistan can do to retictify the current situation at hand?

For those billions along with our billions are being spent on WOT, and India shows concerned about terrorists but is ony toungue and cheek and is not in real sense willing to be the part of solution.

If u r not part of the solution u r part of the problem. think about it seriously. Dude. Jeypore.

Our Army's success has been excellant as compare to those of the others who are fighting this war, your deductions about our successes is deprived of truth and is based on the Indian glasses you r adoning.