India on the Eve of British Conquest

[SIPRA]

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Lakin... tussee pajee nay tay aundee chok de vich tor ditee ae!

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

Oye Zalima.. ki kar ditta ee. uon tay te gal shuroo karani se... lakin hasa a gaya ae...


Maji de vich dang.... da kum shuroo karana si assee...

Oye ja, ja way ja... Choothay a... Piar di lagan... wali philosophy karani si assi...

Lakin... tussee pajee nay tay aundee chok de vich tor ditee ae!

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Ineed, a Disruptor is needed for Innovation.

However, please, study the dynamics of Crusades as well...and how excess male population was sent off because there were fewer females and economic hardships...so Crusade was Adventure+.

Things are not straightforward... building complexity layer by layer in a Thesis gives it depth ...flesh on bones so to speak...

Momentum of History started Acceleartion round about a 1000years ago..and with addition of techonology the Lifespan of an Event and its ensuing Results got shorter.. The Process is still continuing...

Frankly, I am not much versed in your country... Pakistan, China and CentralAsia has been more of my area of Study... hence, I take your posts as eductional opportunity... and question things to advance my understanding without PakBias.

Reality is plastic. Number is Absolute.

Mangus

The most powerful or at least the longest lasting trans-Indus empires were the ones that either included Bactria or the Western chunk of the Gangetic plains in its realm...I think this is a problem that has been I deified by Pak Armed Forces themselves...That's why a drive for strategic depth in Afghanistan within the defence administration as well as a call for merger with Afg among the younger cohorts of PDF.......whatever it is, I don't think that 22nd century will have the same borders as the ones that were established by 1949 around the entire world....its a bit unusual for the entire world to go over a century with by and large stable borders

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

The Idea of Strategic Depth was/is of Socio-Politico-Economic alignment/conduct and was/is NOT of military in nature.

Simply because all our WeaponSystems and Doctorine is based on AgressiveDefence from within The Heartland Pakistan...

Your media and our own MarasiMedia went overboard with guidance from your deepstate to ridicule this..implying that GanguTerroristArmy will somehow march into Pakistan and PakArmedForces will retreat to Kabulistan...

It was a PsyOp to undermine the very potent idea of StrategicDepth..which is still valid and shall to fore in due time.

There is no chance of India cutting through Pakistan like that ....complete conventional tank warfare between indo pak will always look like 1965... At best each would be capturing a couple of thousand square kilometres of the other's territory ...anyways I will clean up and structure my original thesis

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

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In 1764 India was ripe for the picking.

The Mughal Empire, which had ruled much of the region for the past two centuries, had shattered. The various smaller states that arose in its place were relatively weak, both militarily and economically. Recent advances in artillery and infantry techniques had given Europeans a significant edge on the battlefield, as had been demonstrated only a few years earlier when the French dealt a number of crushing defeats to the Nawab of Carnatic.

The British East India Company observed all this with a curious eye, and after evicting the French from the region, had a mind to take a more active role in the subcontinent (having previously been largely restricted to trade concessions).

The spark for outright conquest came from India, when the Jagat Seth bankers of Bengal, being fed up with the cruelty of the Nawab, invited (and financed) the British invasion. Their reasoning, not unfounded, being that the British were the least-worst option for providing a stable, business-friendly environment.

In response to British incursion came a triple alliance, described as the, “last gasp” of the Mughals, which included the Nawab of Bengal, Nawab of Awadh, and Mughal remnants under Shah Alam. The conflict that followed was a close-run affair, but the British ultimately emerged victorious and annexed the Bengal region (then the richest province in India).

Over the next 100 years the British East India Company would conquer the remaining states across India, often doing so by exploiting rivalries between adversarial Indian rulers. While local polities quickly closed the military gap and acquitted themselves well on the battlefield (the Mysore Sultans and Sikh Empire earning particular praise from the British), the economic gap only widened, and ultimately, guaranteed the Company’s success.

British rule would last until 1947, only being seriously threatened in the 1857 rebellion, during which North-Indians attempted to oust the British and reinstall the Mughals under, “Emperor” Bahdur Shah Zafur (who was only a ceremonial figurehead at this point).

Link to full post w/ additional reading/sources.

next time please use primary/better sources---though this is a fantastic effort (around 80% correct I would say--->so sincerely thank you)

A Historical Atlas of South Asia

Arunachal Pradesh had independent tribes in 1764..It was not under any Qing suzerainity

Arunachal Pradesh between 1707 and 1766

 

[Joe Shearer]

next time please use primary/better sources---though this is a fantastic effort (around 80% correct I would say--->so sincerely thank you)

A Historical Atlas of South Asia

Arunacharl had independent tribes in 1764..It was not under any Qing suzerainity

Arunachal Pradesh between 1707 and 1766

What a pleasantly surprising series of posts. Except for minor quibbles (running the length and breadth of the posts, but pine splinters, not even toothpicks, in consequence), such as an eyebrow raised to '...a map by Herodotus I believe...', the bulk of this is cogent exposition.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

What a pleasantly surprising series of posts. Except for minor quibbles (running the length and breadth of the posts, but pine splinters, not even toothpicks, in consequence), such as an eyebrow raised to '...a map by Herodotus I believe...', the bulk of this is cogent exposition.

Thank You Sir, I was enjoying your post regarding the lack of strong Indian empires at the dawn of the Turkic invasion in 12th century

 

[ArainGang]

next time please use primary/better sources---though this is a fantastic effort (around 80% correct I would say--->so sincerely thank you)

A Historical Atlas of South Asia

Arunachal Pradesh had independent tribes in 1764..It was not under any Qing suzerainity

Arunachal Pradesh between 1707 and 1766

Thank you for the resources!

 

[salarsikander]

India's history.

Thats is quite rue, If you mean india after 1947 Yes, we dont. And if you mean India before 1947. There was no such thing entity called as India, after British came they gave it as such name. Sub continent would be the right term

 

[jamahir]

Thats is quite rue, If you mean india after 1047 Yes, we dont. And if you mean India before 1947. There was no such thing entity called as India, after British came they gave it as such name. Sub continent would be the right term

It is because of such differences of opinion that I don't discuss history.

I generally talk about how should humanity be in the near-future and the future, i.e. governed by Socialism.

 

[salarsikander]

governed by Socialism.

And we have seen so-called experimental states that have been torn apart by so-called socialism

 

[jamahir]

And we have seen so-called experimental states that have been torn apart by so-called socialism

You have used the correct term - Experimental states. And such experiments are far better than some non-Socialist societies like India and Pakistan which are fearful of experiment and continue to have Regressive political / economic / social systems.

And it is not necessary that Socialist states were torn apart by internal forces. External plots came into picture in them. Examples - Libya, Syria, Iraq, Venezuela. Even in the USSR, what Gorbachev did, was / is not liked by many of its former citizens.

At the moment, Cuba is solidly Socialist.

 

[Zane_K]

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In 1764 India was ripe for the picking.

The Mughal Empire, which had ruled much of the region for the past two centuries, had shattered. The various smaller states that arose in its place were relatively weak, both militarily and economically. Recent advances in artillery and infantry techniques had given Europeans a significant edge on the battlefield, as had been demonstrated only a few years earlier when the French dealt a number of crushing defeats to the Nawab of Carnatic.

The British East India Company observed all this with a curious eye, and after evicting the French from the region, had a mind to take a more active role in the subcontinent (having previously been largely restricted to trade concessions).

The spark for outright conquest came from India, when the Jagat Seth bankers of Bengal, being fed up with the cruelty of the Nawab, invited (and financed) the British invasion. Their reasoning, not unfounded, being that the British were the least-worst option for providing a stable, business-friendly environment.

In response to British incursion came a triple alliance, described as the, “last gasp” of the Mughals, which included the Nawab of Bengal, Nawab of Awadh, and Mughal remnants under Shah Alam. The conflict that followed was a close-run affair, but the British ultimately emerged victorious and annexed the Bengal region (then the richest province in India).

Over the next 100 years the British East India Company would conquer the remaining states across India, often doing so by exploiting rivalries between adversarial Indian rulers. While local polities quickly closed the military gap and acquitted themselves well on the battlefield (the Mysore Sultans and Sikh Empire earning particular praise from the British), the economic gap only widened, and ultimately, guaranteed the Company’s success.

British rule would last until 1947, only being seriously threatened in the 1857 rebellion, during which North-Indians attempted to oust the British and reinstall the Mughals under, “Emperor” Bahdur Shah Zafur (who was only a ceremonial figurehead at this point).

Link to full post w/ additional reading/sources.

Love a bit of history.. thanks for the post

 

[salarsikander]

Experimental states. And such experiments are far better than some non-Socialist societies like India and Pakistan which are fearful of experiment and continue to have Regressive political / economic / social systems.

Which is why they have failed to exist as a coherent society

External plots came into picture in them

The most widely and overrated term, every country faces an external presuure and their leadership take remedial actions accordingly, so blaming external forces is like saying you dont expect to Lion to eat you bcoz you didnt eat him.. Its high time that you get out of your delusions

Experimental states. And such experiments are far better

Every system applied to every other country is experiment, and experiment fail and succeed, in the latter case it has failed miserably

 

[jamahir]

Which is why they have failed to exist as a coherent society

Give me examples.

The most widely and overrated term, every country faces an external presuure and their leadership take remedial actions accordingly, so blaming external forces is like saying you dont expect to Lion to eat you bcoz you didnt eat him.. Its high time that you get out of your delusions

In case of Libya in 2011, it was attacked by 29 NATO countries + 6 GCC countries + the thousands of terrorists they supported.

Think practically.

Every system applied to every other country is experiment, and experiment fail and succeed, in the latter case it has failed miserably

No, most countries simply don't bother to experiment. I will again mention India and Pakistan. These simply adopted the systems of USA and Britain wholesale.

Elon Musk says that the political system for near-future Mars colonies should be Direct Democracy, which was what governed the Libyan Jamahiriya. If he says that for Mars why not for current countries on Earth ??

 

[salarsikander]

Give me examples.

You have already mentioned that in list of failed states that followed Socialism shit

In case of Libya in 2011, it was attacked by 29 NATO countries + 6 GCC countries + the thousands of terrorists they supported.

LOL, It was started from within, It was Libyan who revolted and rest of foreigner took the advantage of fault lines. DOnt be so gullible

No, most countries simply don't bother to experiment. I will again mention India and Pakistan. These simply adopted the systems of USA and Britain wholesale.

Because there is no such need. Your arguments have become irrelevant as your Socialist state.

Secondly, this is not the topic at hand. So better focus on that !!