India nuclear plant leaks!!

[StingRoy]

That's exactly what we want you people to do; be realistic!

And may be a bit more mature attitude would also help.

How many armed guards are guarding your Water Dispensers?... I am being mature enough to wait till the inquiry is completed before blaming anyone.., although there are initial reports that this was done by a disgruntled employee.
I have been to a couple of nuclear research facilities in India and am well aware of the security measures at these facilities.

 

[Iggy]

Should i consider that you are now eschewing it around?

i think i have been very lucid in my arguments, all you have to do it to understand!

I am not avoiding an healthy discussion with you Xeric but Xinix and Qsaark explaining things nicely here..More over I am a civilian I am no expert in nuclear technology..But sure i know the difference between a civil nuclear plant and a nuclear bomb..I respect you as a think tank but I am not agreeing with some of your statements here..And i am not sure calling our PM or any other minister a thick head will help much in this discussion other than inviting more trolls here..And for me respecting a head of a state is no harm even if he/she is from a enemy state

 

[qsaark]

Please stick with this thread as this is regarding the leak at one of the Indian plants - this is not fiction but areality!!!!!!

There was NO leak, that is what people are trying to say. There was no technical and/or structural compromise, the plant was and is totally safe. It is however true that the four PHWRs (Pressurized Heavy Water Reactors) Kaiga station operates are not under International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards.

 

[Xeric]

I am not avoiding an healthy discussion with you Xeric but Xinix and Qsaark explaining things nicely here..More over I am a civilian I am no expert in nuclear technology..But sure i know the difference between a civil nuclear plant and a nuclear bomb..I respect you as a think tank but I am not agreeing with some of your statements here..And i am not sure calling our PM or any other minister a thick head will help much in this discussion other than inviting more trolls here..And for me respecting a head of a state is no harm even if he/she is from a enemy state

How many armed guards are guarding your Water Dispensers?... I am being mature enough to wait till the inquiry is completed before blaming anyone.., although there are initial reports that this was done by a disgruntled employee.
I have been to a couple of nuclear research facilities in India and am well aware of the security measures at these facilities.

i think you missed post # 81.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Accept my salute too over your brilliance where you implied otherwise!

We thought that even nuclear power pants were kept under strict watch because of the obvious reasons, but never knew that it was the other way round in india.

i mean seriously, it tells me that today's bank are more securer than your POWER PLANTS!!

Working in a toxic environment and someone picks up some tritium and pops it inside the water supply, how standardized would that be?

What SOPs are you exactly following at your high security complexes?

Now if you cant handle this BS in your power plants, it very clearly indicates that not much care would have been employed in your nuclear plants too, and that's a very logical and straight forward question.

It have exactly "ingeniously equated" the two, as your PM (or some other thick head) equates a suicide bomb attack on a PAF base with our nuclear facilities!! And shows his 'concerns' over our safety procedures while sitting in Delhi when he dont even know hat happened in Assam!

I understand one feels offended , his national pride being hurt when someone questions ur Security.
You can be considered Right by Pointing to Indian PM, but u r actually ignoring the source - The West and The US. India simply follows west and takes it as an opportunity.

ElBaradei had been quoted in the pan-Arab daily Al-Hayat as saying he feared "chaos... or an extremist regime could take root in that country, which has 30 to 40 warheads", and was "worried that nuclear weapons could fall into the hands of an extremist group in Pakistan or in Afghanistan".

The United States is increasingly concerned about new vulnerabilities for Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal, including the potential for militants to snatch a weapon in transport or to insert sympathizers into laboratories or fuel-production facilities in the aftermath of advance of the Taliban and al Qaeda fighters within 60 km of Islamabad.

President Barack Obama said last week that he remained confident that keeping the country’s nuclear infrastructure secure was the top priority of Pakistan’s armed forces. But the US does not know where all of Pakistani nuclear sites are located, and its concerns have intensified since the Taliban entered Buner.

The spread of the insurgency has left American officials less willing to accept blanket assurances from Pakistan that the weapons are safe.

Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is currently safe, but Washington has "concerns" over what could happen if the advancing Taliban topples the government, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in an interview with Fox News on Saturday.

The security of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is "an issue that we have very adamant assurances about from the Pakistani military and government. We've done a lot of work over the years evaluating that," Clinton told Fox News in an interview in Baghdad.

Plz dont blame India for that ( Just repeating the western concern ) , Its US which makes this Hype.

BTW, The Poeple at Chernobyl were all doing good, were well trained and had good intentions but still misfortune occured - does that mean Russians didnt knew abt Reactor safety ?

Case of the Three Mile Island - Can u really make the same assertions ?

The Reality is That in This Un Ideal world Ideal Things rarely Happen.
Accidents CAN n WILL happen. The issue is not to make a propaganda out of it, but find the cause and solution and make the world better.

US learnt something from Chernobyl, Russia learnt something from Three Mile.. n we Now Know how to avoid these mistakes.

Mistakes than can kill lives in US , Russia , India n Pakistan.

BTW will u hold the same views on ::

Monday, July 5, 1999 Published at 09:04 GMT 10:04 UK


World: Asia-Pacific Chinese nuclear accident revealed :

Chinese nuclear officials have admitted that an accident one year ago at the country's first home-grown nuclear power plant has left it crippled for more than 12 months.

The 300 megawatt Qinshan 1 plant in Zhejiang province was shut down last July after what one nuclear safety official described as a "welding problem".

The problem caused bolts holding guide pipes to the main body of the reactor to fall off under strong water pressure, the official is quoted as saying.

He added that the plant would begin producing electricity again next month following repairs.

Nuclear power is seen as the key to China's economic development
It is the first time Chinese officials have given details of the accident at the plant 100 kilometres (62 miles) south of Shanghai.

China has only two operational commercial nuclear power stations but has an ambitious nuclear power construction programme in what is an increasingly energy hungry country.

At present China relies heavily on coal and oil fired power stations but the government regards nuclear power as a cleaner alternative.

The Qinshan plant was the first to have been designed and constructed using domestic resources.

 

[Bushy]

Nice try but it is seriously lame. Pakistani nukes falling into the hands of the Taliban is just like saying Indian nukes falling itno the hands of Maosists or one of the many other rebel orgs.

Please stick with this thread as this is regarding the leak at one of the Indian plants - this is not fiction but areality!!!!!!

There is a difference. While insurgents threatening Pakistan's internal security are also dealt by the same army that protects its borders, in India there are numerous (apart from the State Police) highly trained entities for the sole purpose of taking care of internal security, such as the CRPF (200,000 well-trained troops specifically for insurgency), and the CISF (120,000 well-trained troops specifically for industrial security). Whatever be the magnitude of the unrest, it will always be successfully dealt with, without compromising the border defense even a bit.

Now do you understand why, in-spite of many militant organizations, Indians are so confident when talks of internal security come up?

 

[Iggy]

i think you missed post # 81.

Xeric you must also took notice the amount of nuclear byproduct needed to make a bomb and contaminating a water??for contaminating a water someone needed only a small quantity of these things? ...and also the nuclear bombs and civilian nuclear plant are under two agencies so I still dont understand your saying that if your nuclear facility sucks your bomb also sucks ..

 

[Xeric]

I understand one feels offended , his national pride being hurt when someone questions ur Security.
You can be considered Right by Pointing to Indian PM, but u r actually ignoring the source - The West and The US.

BTW, The Poeple at Chernobyl were all doing good, were well trained and had good intentions but still misfortune occured - does that mean Russians didnt knew abt Reactor safety ?

Case of the Three Mile Island - Can u really make the same assertions ?

The Reality is That in This Un Ideal world Ideal Things rarely Happen.
Accidents CAN n WILL happen. The issue is not to make a propaganda out of it, but find the cause and solution and make the world better.

US learnt something from Chernobyl, Russia learnt something from Three Mile.. n we Now Know how to avoid these mistakes.

BTW will u hold the same views on ::


Mistakes than can kill lives in US , Russia , India n Pakistan.

Lolzz.... then why shut about the Pakistani nukes?

They can also 'mistakenly' fall into terrorists hands and kill lives.

Buddy we are talking about stuff that can annihilate millions in fraction of a second not about a fire cracker that would hurt only you.

i am still wondering why you people are taking these things so lightly but tend to take up NON SERIOUS matters (involving Pakistani nukes) with full zeal and zest?!

In the end should i take this from your post that people responsible for incidents like Chernobyl should be spared,moreover no steps should be taken in future to make sure such things dont occur again?

 

[Xeric]

Xeric you must also took notice the amount of nuclear byproduct needed to make a bomb and contaminating a water??for contaminating a water someone needed only a small quantity of these things? ...and also the nuclear bombs and civilian nuclear plant are under two agencies so I still dont understand your saying that if your nuclear facility sucks your bomb also sucks ..

i know you are doing it deliberately, but here goes; if today a janitor or a pissed off employee can screw up with his fellow colleagues, tomorrow he can also screw up with the entire nation, imagine he mixing up the same thing in a natural water source just because he was pissed off by MMS?

Or may be if he can move around with tritium he can also 'smuggle' around some more valuable stuff, who knows?

All depends upon the checks in place!!

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

well --- if correct, then West should sit down and stop contradicting eachother.

Clinton, CIA Chief, NATO Chief, Admiral Mullen, Gen. Petraeus, Mr. Holbrooke and many other top officials have expressed candidly their faith in Pakistan's nuclear safety measures.


I think it is us who should be asking others to safeguard their nuclear assets. Not the other way around.




even the right-wing thinktanks aknowledge this reality; their only argument is that "radicalized jihadys" within the nuclear command structure would somehow defect.

We have had no such incidents in Pakistan, thank God. But when your PM Singh makes statements about Pakistan's nuclear security, I find it very fitting that days later -- an unruly employee (or employees) decided to poision their own colleagues with nuclear matter.



what to make of this? We are the ones who should be concerned!

 

[Chanakyaa]

Lolzz.... then why shut about the Pakistani nukes?

They can also 'mistakenly' fall into terrorists hands and kill lives.

Buddy we are talking about stuff that can annihilate millions in fraction of a second not about a fire cracker that would hurt only you.

i am still wondering why you people are taking these things so lightly but tend to take up NON SERIOUS matters (involving Pakistani nukes) with full zeal and zest?!

In the end should i take this from your post that people responsible for incidents like Chernobyl should be spared,moreover no steps should be taken in future to make sure such things dont occur again?

I said ::

The issue is not to make a propaganda out of it, but find the cause and solution and make the world better.

In Indian Case :

#1. Once we find the Cause - A person responsible
#2. We Execute the Solution - Taking Necessary Action against HIM ( Not Sparing the Guilty ).

I hope i answered u.

This is a serious issue as u say and I firmly agree with u.
The Necessary action has been perhaps already Done as per the latest reports.

The mention of Pakistan is actually offtopic, but when members deliberately compared the incident to Nuclear safety in india, u may understand it is hard to avoid its counter argument.

 

[SSGPA1]

There is a difference. While insurgents threatening Pakistan's internal security are also dealt by the same army that protects its borders, in India there are numerous (apart from the State Police) highly trained entities for the sole purpose of taking care of internal security, such as the CRPF (200,000 well-trained troops specifically for insurgency), and the CISF (120,000 well-trained troops specifically for industrial security). Whatever be the magnitude of the unrest, it will always be successfully dealt with, without compromising the border defense even a bit.

Now do you understand why, in-spite of many militant organizations, Indians are so confident when talks of internal security come up?

Must be cheap Indian grass that you smoke on the weekend, try something better.

26/11 took place despite all the security.
Breach of security at a nuclear site happened despite all the security.

Your million men army has to defend a far greater border but the 700,000 strong PA has to defend a relatively small border. 30,000 soldiers were enought to accomplish our mission in SWA and a much smaller force was used in Swat.

Your nuclear weapons must by toys therefore you think that anyone can use them. Our a very complicated platforms with very heavy security so falling in Taliban hands is abosultely out of the question.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Must be cheap Indian grass that you smoke on the weekend, try something better.

go to Badama region of Upper Kurram Agency and see the dark hash which some of the locals prepare -- out in the open.

do they smoke weed/grass in india?

 

[Iggy]

i know you are doing it deliberately, but here goes; if today a janitor or a pissed off employee can screw up with his fellow colleagues, tomorrow he can also screw up with the entire nation, imagine he mixing up the same thing in a natural water source just because he was pissed off by MMS?

Or may be if he can move around with tritium he can also 'smuggle' around some more valuable stuff, who knows?

All depends upon the checks in place!!

Xeric you don't understand what i am saying may be my poor English..Let me try once again..I am saying that it need more quantity for contaminating a natural water resources than a purifier in a small canteen ..It will be easy for a person to carry small quantity enough to contaminate a water in a small canteen because security personal will not notice such a small quantity carrying with him but is it the case if he carries a large quantity??

 

[Chanakyaa]

Must be cheap Indian grass that you smoke on the weekend, try something better.

26/11 took place despite all the security.
Breach of security at a nuclear site happened despite all the security.

Your million men army has to defend a far greater border but the 700,000 strong PA has to defend a relatively small border. 30,000 soldiers were enought to accomplish our mission in SWA and a much smaller force was used in Swat.

Your nuclear weapons must by toys therefore you think that anyone can use them. Our a very complicated platforms with very heavy security so falling in Taliban hands is abosultely out of the question.

Mate, 26/11 has been disucssed to an extent that i can have my Phd on it.

Lets stick to the topic.