India needs to ally with US to counter China: Fareed Zakaria to India Today at Davos

[Pepsi Cola]

I just can't wait until we all can stop fighting and work together for the future of mankind.

 

[Mugwop]

India already let the US down in Afghanistan and aren't a trustable partner.

It's a guts issue not trust issue. india wants USA to fight China for them and israel to fight Pakistan for them while they themselves bully weak countries.

Neither China nor India is too stupid to initiate any war unlike some fools may think, since none of us will be able to achieve a decisive victory over the other. But that war will be too costly to easily pull back the economy and our respective countries decades back.

Ironically your thought process begin and end with only one thing "WAR" and I guess you guys always think it as a zero sum game. Either one win or loose. Pathetic. LOL

You hate mongering bhartis talk about war with Pakistan and china 24/7 but will never initiate it because you know you won't win at all. Economy is another excuse, surgical strikes is a funny myth. Either you lot should STFU and stop obsessing over Pakistan and China or you can try to full fill your genocidal dreams of making all of south east asia hindu and start raping non hindu women. The choice is yours. LOL

 

[sinait]

The Chinese hate Vietnam bottomless because we look Chinese, speak Chinese, behave Chinese but refuse to become Chinese. They hope we are helpless like the Jews so they can put us in gas chambers.

Someone needs to check their heads if there is a brain cancer.

hehe, Nothing of that sort.
In fact bcoz of those qualities you mentioned, they find affinity when meeting each other in person.
That's why Vietnamese brides are so popular in Korea and China.
I meet many Vietnamese in Singapore, they can speak some Chinese.

Internet warriors? that will be different, especially when flaming each other.
Don't doubt they will be friends when meeting each other in person.
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[Tom M]

It's a guts issue not trust issue. india wants USA to fight China for them and israel to fight Pakistan for them while they themselves bully weak countries.


You hate mongering bhartis talk about war with Pakistan and china 24/7 but will never initiate it because you know you won't win at all. Economy is another excuse, surgical strikes is a funny myth. Either you lot should STFU and stop obsessing over Pakistan and China or you can try to full fill your genocidal dreams of making all of south east asia hindu and start raping non hindu women. The choice is yours. LOL

Are you for real ??? Seriously how old are you. LOL

 

[Jlaw]

Free ?
What do you think india gets free from US for US to keep such high expectations from india ?

Do you think US will allow India to buy their weapons and still keep good relations with China?US not that stupid.

These asian countries also know the risk of antagonising their giant neighbour.

During the sino soviet split the choice was to support China or the soviet Union. One foolish little banana country which I will not name chose the Soviets. They have suffered poor relations ever since and even had to fight a devasting war in their norther border.



Xi is the product of 5000 years of Chinese tradition. China will always produce such people and Xi Jinping has taken it unto himself to restore the Chinese nation.

People have likened his hard working and mission oriented character to that of emperor Kangxi.

Though Kang Xi would have squashed little country southeast of China

 

[Viet]

The old script for Vietnamese was Chinese-based....but the language itself is austro-asiatic family right? It sounds very different to sinitic spoken chinese wouldn't you say? I can instantly pick out Vietnamese when its spoken, it sounds very different to any other language I've heard.

Yes bingo. Vietnamese spoken language is mix of north, west and south parts of Asia. The root originated in the red river deltas. The language evolved thru territory expansion and Co quest. Some people call it „Vietic“. It is a tonal language with high pitch tones. Western people will say they get headaches when listening.

Vietnamese writing and script borrow much of Chinese and French. The French occupied Vietnam for hundred year, the Chinese for thousand year. Because of being part of Chinese empire until the downfall of the Tang, Vietnamese cultures and custom are very similar to our northern neighbor.

By the way, the reason why Vietnam became part of China because back then the Viet emperor refused to pay tribute. The Chinese saw it as great excuse for invasion and incorporate Vietnam into the empire.

 

[UKBengali]

Well it has all resurfaced due to 1979 war (and context of that) in their case.

Viets will never forget or forgive China for that....given Vietnam war ending could have been a fresh start given the pan-communist aid (even through the thick of Sino-Soviet split) that helped Vietnam.

It was reinforced in Vietnamese view that China is indeed the old foe (as you seem to know the history of why), that cannot be trusted. Its not so easy to say past is past....Vietnam has been fighting the Chinese (as political distinct entities) a very long time...longer than anything found in subcontinent (esp given religious context on top here which they do not have as an equivalent over there).

Vietnamese are proud and are not interested in kow-towing under China period. The 1979 war did not help but would not have changed the geopolitics of the region.

They see themselves, Japan, Korea + USA keeping China boxed into E Asia.

 

[sinait]

Vietnamese are proud and are not interested in kow-towing under China period. The 1979 war did not help but would not have changed the geopolitics of the region.

They see themselves, Japan, Korea + USA keeping China boxed into E Asia.

Vietnamese may not be interested, only the Indians are still kow-towing to the Whites.
Unfortunately they don't have a choice.
They had been, maybe reluctantly, kow-towing to the Chinese, the French, Japanese, French again and lastly to the Americans starting from since millennia.
.

 

[UKBengali]

Vietnamese may not be interested, only the Indians are still kow-towing to the Whites.
Unfortunately they don't have a choice.
They had been, maybe reluctantly, kow-towing to the Chinese, the French, Japanese, French again and lastly to the Americans starting from since millennia.
.

Alliance of convenience against China.

As Vietnam gets more developed it gets more of an equal say in the alliance. Vietnam is not kow-towing to anyone and China can forget about Vietnam or other countries in Asia apart from dirt-poor and chaotic ones like Myanmar taking orders from it.

 

[Arsalan 345]

india is already a special partner of united states.there is nothing new in this statement.

 

[Nasr]

The way I see it, india is going in the wrong direction by aligning with zionist-america. What the indians fail to see is that zionist-america hides it's true economic condition behind the fog of lies, or as the spin-doctors in Washington call it, "disinformation." The zionist-american economy is failing, and the only reason why it hasn't capitulated as of yet, is because world bank, imf, the petro-dollar and the SWIFT international transaction system, kept the zionist-american economic might, propped up. These pillars of the zionist-american hegemony, are now being eroded by country-to-country trade in currency swaps which bypass the U$D. The Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China have expanded trade not only amongst themselves with currency swaps, but also other countries they trade with. The only ones towing the zionist-american trade money agenda, are Europe and Asia Pacific Bloc (Japan, South Korea, Singapore & Australia). With China consolidating trade in the African continent and Russia starting make in-roads in Latin America. It is no wonder the zionist-anglo-americans are picking fights everywhere around the globe. Be it Venezuela, or any other country that opposed to zionist-american hegemony.

So when india leans to the zionist-west, it does so out of fear of China.

 

[manga]

Do you think US will allow India to buy their weapons and still keep good relations with China?US not that stupid.

Keeping relation good is in hands of china.
China should stop acting as a irritant for india, and stop shielding terrorists that india is trying to pin in UN.

US is just taking the opportunity which china is providing by posturing against india at any possible world forum.

If china does not want good relations with india, US will be happy to suffice. If china takes steps to build good relation with india, then india will certainly reciprocrate and US will be mere observer. Russia is a good example for it. So ball is in chinese court from long.

And btw that weapons argument is very childish, in which you defeat your own argument. You say we BUY and still you think US has any strings to pull after we have paid for our shopping. US just have to say no and we will shop from europe, russia and israel.

 

[sinait]

Alliance of convenience against China.

As Vietnam gets more developed it gets more of an equal say in the alliance. Vietnam is not kow-towing to anyone and China can forget about Vietnam or other countries in Asia apart from dirt-poor and chaotic ones like Myanmar taking orders from it.

Get off your ivory tower.
If that's the case, Vietnam need not stop Repco from drilling in the South China Sea.
Like it or not, co-operation with the elephant in the room is the best option.
Small countries have to do balancing acts to survive or to gain more leverage.

See how the US bullies its Allies and neighbors, not the other way around.
Compared to the US, China is an angel to her neighbors.
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[nahtanbob]

Some people are just too dense to learn, and I'm starting to think you're one of them. If you understood just the basics of geopolitics you'd know better than to use the word "ever." Still, I'll try. You think Japan's current relationship with America is due to "mutual benefits" and not, for instance, due to:

Alright, I'll indulge you and ignore the history. Japan is allied with the United States today principally for protection from powerful neighbouring countries, foremost among them China (but Russia and Korea also apply). What will happen to that calculus once China becomes powerful enough to militarily crush the US in Asia? Or, even sooner, once it's able to inflict damage the US considers unacceptable? Once Japan understands that the US is no longer an adequate protector, what then? Will it still maintain its alliance with America because it really likes Terminator movies or some other cultural factor?

Or will it find some way to swallow its pride and line up behind China before, say, Korea does?


Well, in your case, who could blame them?

militarily crush USA ?? in a nuclear age that won't work.
for the next 20-30 USA can take out 100 top population centers of china in 15-30 minutes

LOL that is a very sane idea, Zakaria. How about you first tell America to pay back the billions in loans... We’ll think about a confrontation after that.

that would be easy. just print more dollars

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

militarily crush USA ?? in a nuclear age that won't work.
for the next 20-30 USA can take out 100 top population centers of china in 15-30 minutes

Your reading comprehension needs some work. I said, and I quote, "militarily crush the US in Asia". That qualifier is very important. Let me explain why that is and why your non-sequitur about what the US can do with nuclear weapons (which, incidentally, China can reciprocate) is irrelevant.

A country's hard power is a product of two factors: its resolve and its physical capability. The US has a surfeit of physical capability - although it is important to note that China is rapidly closing the gap - but severe structural deficits in resolve. Why? First, being a democracy, it has no love for protracted conflicts. Sure, knocking over the occasional tinpot dictator and coming home in time for Christmas is fun (though the US can't even do that right); but a protracted conflict against a very heavily armed and very dangerous nation-state isn't.

Second - and this is more important - since it is economically self-sufficient and geographically isolated, its survival is assured; hence, there's no existential reason for it to engage in serious warfare against a strong adversary. This is also why it will never use nuclear weapons against China: states only use nuclear weapons when there is no risk of retaliation or when their survival is threatened. China can inflict horrific retaliation and it cannot threaten America's survival without resorting to its own nuclear weapons, which it won't do because it's in the same MAD bind.

America is not going to use its nuclear weapons to prevent its prestige from being dinged for losing primacy in Asia. Make no mistake, that's all the US has on the line here: prestige and ego. It's doubtful it would even put up a fight with conventional weapons alone. China has much more on the line: survival and the righting of grievous historical wrongs. China's resolve suffers no lack, and everybody knows it.

America's allies know all of this. Their strategic planners are perfectly capable of going through the arguments I've outlined. That's why the US has to constantly signal that it stands by them, and why the American foreign policy establishment is apoplectic at Trump's banal and minor objections to the US alliance system. America is always trying to convince its allies that its resolve is greater than it actually is.