India may end support to Palestine at U.N.

[Lord ZeN]

there is no tectonic shift in india's foreign policy, which was always pro-west and pro-israel... if india ever supported palestine, how did it also become israel's number one customer of armaments... it can be either one or the other.

nevertheless, the only proper solution to israel/palestine is the "isratine" solution proposed by muammar gaddafi in the white book... a single state where both present nationalities live in a democratic setup.

Here comes our own Gaddafi.Jr with his wild fanatical love for the crazy Libyan dictator & also for his crappy Green & White books... All the solutions in those books are far away from ground realities.

 

[The Huskar]

... if india ever supported palestine, how did it also become israel's number one customer of armaments... it can be either one or the other.

Even China buys equipments from Israel,does that imply that China is against Palestine???
Israel provides us the best quality goods in UAV and radar sectors.It is a matter of national interest.

 

[jamahir]

Here comes our own Gaddafi.Jr with his wild fanatical love for the crazy Libyan dictator & also for his crappy Green & White books... All the solutions in those books are far away from ground realities.

ground realities can be redefined by initiatives which was brilliant and practical... please do read the solution... ( Al Gaddafi speaks - English / White Book (ISRATIN) )... you won't have any true objections to this solution which takes care of the sensibilities and worries of both parties.

there is even the solution to kashmir... ( Al Gaddafi speaks - English / Kashmir: The Definitive Solution ).

Even China buys equipments from Israel,does that imply that China is against Palestine???
Israel provides us the best quality goods in UAV and radar sectors.It is a matter of national interest.

how is apache gunship superior to kamov-50... it is not, yet indian military is keen of buying apache... what it really depicts is political allegience of indian establishment to western bloc.

but this discussion is about israel/palestine problem.

 

[Kaniska]

ground realities can be redefined by initiatives which was brilliant and practical... please do read the solution... ( Al Gaddafi speaks - English / White Book (ISRATIN) )... you won't have any true objections to this solution which takes care of the sensibilities and worries of both parties.

there is even the solution to kashmir... ( Al Gaddafi speaks - English / Kashmir: The Definitive Solution ).



how is apache gunship superior to kamov-50... it is not, yet indian military is keen of buying apache... what it really depicts is political allegience of indian establishment to western bloc.

but this discussion is about israel/palestine problem.

There is nothing wrong in alliance with Western Bloc as such which is a developing community. Palestine issue is an useless overhyped issue in India...No one gives a damn about what India thinks....On the contrary, our interests and allignment match with Isreal in many ways....At lest Isreal supports India with respect to Pakistan in many diplomatic and war situations? The tragedy is that in spite of 2nd largest Muslim population, OIC does not even care to make India at least a part of its organization...This is a absolute failure of the India's neheru gov and other people in just entertaining Palestine cause which is self contradictory our Kashmir position...

My point is we may not support Isreal with Palestine issue, but our interests and objective should held hostage to Palestine issue where we do not have any control or any role in that issue...

 

[Mugwop]

Ohh so you are a Pakistani after all.Well my bad for i thought that you were a Turk.Feel free to give as many negative ratings as you can to all future posts.Btw if you had read my post you would have seen that i didn't use any slang against Turkey or Islam but that fellow directly abused our country and more importantly our Religion,but then again i am expecting a "lot" from you!!

Post#54 you called turkey a puny country and your fellow countryman labeled all palestinians as terrorists which initiated the problem here.That fellow may have abused your country "outta anger" but didnt say a word against hinduism.

I admire your vocabulary, but question your choice of words. Mugwop, American Pakistani and Falcon agree with you. That includes a Think Tank Analyst. @Oscar @Horus @Jungibaaz @Chak Bamu @WebMaster

Coming back to the topic, what do you think will be the consequence of this possible Indian position?

I don't agree with his remarks about your country but people who believe that arabs are sub-humans need to leave the middle-east this much I can agree about.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

I support the palestinian cause, but that being said Israel always has been the friend in need for us. Two state solution is the way forward. Lets say we show our support for Israel, & dont vote for Palestine, remaining absent during voting will be the way forward.

 

[The Huskar]

how is apache gunship superior to kamov-50... it is not, yet indian military is keen of buying apache... what it really depicts is political allegience of indian establishment to western bloc.

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Maybe because Apache has proven its mettle in the hot and humid Iraq and cold mountains of Afghanistan whereas Kamov have never seen any combat.Also because Russia is notoriously unreliable in spares supply whereas US have a reputation of delivering items before the delivery date.
You can spew all the fictious attributes you want but Indian non allegiance to any power bloc was maintained during the height of cold war and even now we have a independent foreign policy.Can you say the same for your country?

 

[jamahir]

There is nothing wrong in alliance with Western Bloc as such which is a developing community. Palestine issue is an useless overhyped issue in India...No one gives a damn about what India thinks....On the contrary, our interests and allignment match with Isreal in many ways....At lest Isreal supports India with respect to Pakistan in many diplomatic and war situations? The tragedy is that in spite of 2nd largest Muslim population, OIC does not even care to make India at least a part of its organization...This is a absolute failure of the India's neheru gov and other people in just entertaining Palestine cause which is self contradictory our Kashmir position...

My point is we may not support Isreal with Palestine issue, but our interests and objective should held hostage to Palestine issue where we do not have any control or any role in that issue...

1. the oic is now effectively a nato rubber stamp... same as arab league and african union... when libya and syria were invaded by nato, these organizations said yes to the invasions... the oic is nothing to be respected.

2. about kashmir and palestine, let us not get lost in nationalism and religion thereby denying ourselves the solutions that are in plain sight... please do look at the solutions i have linked above.

3. the western bloc is a anti-democracy anti-human alliance of masters and puppets... western bloc must be dismantled.

Maybe because Apache has proven its mettle in the hot and humid Iraq and cold mountains of Afghanistan whereas Kamov have never seen any combat.

that is immaterial... insas never saw much combat before being supplied willy-nilly to the nepali king's army, yet insas failed... i can quote other examples.

Also because Russia is notoriously unreliable in spares supply

russia has been supplying weaponary to syria despite syria fighting a three year war.

whereas US have a reputation of delivering items before the delivery date.

let me see usa governnent and north korea form friendship without preconditions from usa side, and with north korea retaining socialist system... do think deeply of my example.

You can spew all the fictious attributes you want but Indian non allegiance to any power bloc was maintained during the height of cold war

non-allegiance, with indian military participating in korea war, on the usa side??

non-allegiance, with madras airport in 1991 being stop-over for usa bombers from diego garcia en-route to bomb iraq??

i had a discussion with indrani about this months back... you may enquire with her.

 

[Kaniska]

1. the oic is now effectively a nato rubber stamp... same as arab league and african union... when libya and syria were invaded by nato, these organizations said yes to the invasions... the oic is nothing to be respected.

2. about kashmir and palestine, let us not get lost in nationalism and religion thereby denying ourselves the solutions that are in plain sight... please do look at the solutions i have linked above.

3. the western bloc is a anti-democracy anti-human alliance of masters and puppets... western bloc must be dismantled.

2- For me, nationalism is more important than religion..and i can not forget it is just because Palestine people or anti Indian Kashmir people has some problem..I do not agree with it.

3- For me, i do not see any better version of democracy and nation respecting human life by any other nation doing more than Western nation..I do not find any thing drastic done by Western nation to India for which i will grudge against them in particular..Rather than Western Bloc, it is non Western bloc including those Muslim countries who never stood by India at out hour of crisis...So i do not understand why are you upset with West?

Again my perspective is all about what benefit my country gets rather than what impacts Muslims in general perceive it...Because for me, the general suffering or benefit of Muslims outside India, does not matter to me any way...as long as this does not impact my nation.

 

[jamahir]

2- For me, nationalism is more important than religion..and i can not forget it is just because Palestine people or anti Indian Kashmir people has some problem..I do not agree with it.

i am socialist... for me, humanity ( pan-humanism ) triumphs over everything.

nationalism and nations are artificial constructs which divide humanity and therefore not desirable among a enlightened humanity... can we go up 200 kilometers into low earth orbit and expect to see the borders that we see in political maps... we don't, therefore the enlightened person will seek to eradicate the idea of nations... the enlightened person will seek to replace the world of nations with a communist humanity where governments have fallen, militaries have been disbanded and people rule themselves... a humanity governed by decentralized direct-democracy.

3- For me, i do not see any better version of democracy and nation respecting human life by any other nation doing more than Western nation..

the modern western nation is different from the western peoples... the western nation is a construct built on forwarding money system and imperialism... what the western nation has is not democracy but multi-party dictatorship where the peoples are given the illusion of freedom but the governments continue their worship of money and consumerism, and love for invading sovereign nations to make them colonies and puppets.

will the "occupy london" movement be easily allowed to form the next british government?? will the cpusa ( communist party of usa ) being easily allowed by cia and estalishment to form the next usa government?? if the western nation is true democracy then those two things should be allowed, yes??

this can be the manifesto for true democracy... ( Refworld | Libya: Great Green Charter of Human Rights of the Jamahiriyan Era ).

this can be how direct-democracy is achieved in south asia... ( proposal for a new division of south asia | Page 10 ).

 

[Kaniska]

i am socialist... for me, humanity ( pan-humanism ) triumphs over everything.

nationalism and nations are artificial constructs which divide humanity and therefore not desirable among a enlightened humanity... can we go up 200 kilometers into low earth orbit and expect to see the borders that we see in political maps... we don't, therefore the enlightened person will seek to eradicate the idea of nations... the enlightened person will seek to replace the world of nations with a communist humanity where governments have fallen, militaries have been disbanded and people rule themselves... a humanity governed by decentralized direct-democracy.



the modern western nation is different from the western peoples... the western nation is a construct built on forwarding money system and imperialism... what the western nation has is not democracy but multi-party dictatorship where the peoples are given the illusion of freedom but the governments continue their worship of money and consumerism, and love for invading sovereign nations to make them colonies and puppets.

will the "occupy london" movement be easily allowed to form the next british government?? will the cpusa ( communist party of usa ) being easily allowed by cia and estalishment to form the next usa government?? if the western nation is true democracy then those two things should be allowed, yes??

this can be the manifesto for true democracy... ( Refworld | Libya: Great Green Charter of Human Rights of the Jamahiriyan Era ).

this can be how direct-democracy is achieved in south asia... ( proposal for a new division of south asia | Page 10 ).

Most of the times, although i do not agree with you, but i always try to convince myself to agree with you...

 

[jamahir]

Most of the times, although i do not agree with you, but i always try to convince myself to agree with you...

most encouraging.

 

[jha]

Abstaining should have been our policy since early 90's. Better late than never. Good decision by Modi Government.

 

[lightoftruth]

Our relationship with Arab world is based on the no of Indians present their and our bilateral trade nothings gonno change that.
This abstaining has more positives for India.

 

[Hasbara Buster]

Iran and other powers should also reconsider their relations with India and start supporting the Kashmir cause more actively...