India hails World Bank decision on Indus treaty

[Finer]

Water is very serious issue. Unlike the unsolvable territorial dispute, this water issue cannot be brushed under the carpet. World bank will not give the case in the favor of India by going against the survival necessity for Pakistan. As long as the water is being served as better utilization for both India, and Pakistan, that's what world bank will intend to.

Similar example comes to the mind.

“On 19 March 2015, United Nations’ Commission on Limits of Continental Shelf (UNCLCS) completed its review and accepted Pakistan’s claim for extension of its continental shelf limits, thereby extending Pakistan’s sea limits from 200 nautical miles to 350 nautical miles,” Pakistan Navy’s media directorate said.


# That being said India is stupid. What can you do about it? You cannot misuse the resources that is meant to be shared with the neighbor regions regardless of their feelings towards their neighbors.

 

[imadul]

Time on India's side. With an economy eight times larger than Pakistan and a market of 1.3 billion consumers, India can exert its mammoth pressure over World bodies and will use every ounce of it to choke Pakistan. India has virtually frozen IBT and Pakistan, where every institution facing away from the other is in a poor state to handle India. Military and Civil Govt don't see eye to eye for various reasons but it is badly hurting Pakistan's interests domestically and internationally.
I had started a pertinent thread, "Why A Final War Between Pakistan And India Is Inevitable", but it was closed.
Some thought I am advocating a war, but it was an analysis to see India's mindset in historical and modern perspective.
India is out to cut Pakistan to size and relentlessly pursuing the policy to put Pakistan to its knees by inflicting one thousand wounds. LoC violations, evil propaganda against Pakistan on every world forum, stopping Pakistan's water, using Afghanistan on Western border, nexus with America, India is using everything in its arsenal to break Pakistan diplomatically and economically. This extremist, hindutva centric and Pakistan antagonistic govt is there to stay and coming of this govt was a history shattering event. Pakistan which gives the extremist perception but never had an extremist govt, but secular India has an hindutva focused extremist govt and on top of that there is a govt in Pakistan which is sympathetic to India.
India's relentless antagonism against Pakistan will end up in the Fourth India Pakistan War in near future!!!!

 

[Stephen Cohen]

India's relentless antagonism against Pakistan will end up in the Fourth India Pakistan War in near future!!!!

We have recently seen that Pakistan is NOT in any position to escalate matters
and take on India

India's demand is very simple : STOP cross border terrorism or we will
retaliate using all available measures including water

There is no country which supports Pakistan's activities against India

So naturally there will be no support for this water dispute either

 

[GoldenRatio1618]

Brahmaputra passes through the north eastern part of India which is mainly mountainous (Assam) and then feeds in to the bangladesh plains. It doesn't affect India's fertile northern plains at all..but it hugely affects Bangladesh. also brahmaputra is locally fed by several smaller rivers originating in India beyond China's control...so read some geography before ranting like some strategic expert here.

if you check your country water data coming from Baramaputra its showing this river irrigates nearly 37% of india and those are purely Hindu States

 

[AshishDelhi]

Nope, what is being celebrated is premature. Basically, each side tried to contest the other's move, the WB simply said hold it. There was no win or loss here, rather the WB is now going to look at alternatives.
There is no bilateral initiative here.

There will be bilateral initiative. Pakistan will send its concerns directly to India in Dec or Jan. If this is not bilateral then what is. Whatever Pakistan will do later is to be seen but first few steps will be bilateral.
Also, Pakistan has nothing to lose. See my earlier posts.
I think this is just kind of negotiation going on. India will demand to use all its fair share and Pakistan will oppose all. Then there will be settlement.
India can't construct without Pakistan's will. One kidnap of staff member or couple of grenades can stop big projects. Has happened earlier too. Personally know how these things were done in the past...kidnapping and grenades.

 

[SQ8]

There will be bilateral initiative. Pakistan will send its concerns directly to India in Dec or Jan. If this is not bilateral then what is. Whatever Pakistan will do later is to be seen but first few steps will be bilateral.
Also, Pakistan has nothing to lose. See my earlier posts.
I think this is just kind of negotiation going on. India will demand to use all its fair share and Pakistan will oppose all. Then there will be settlement.
India can't construct without Pakistan's will. One kidnap of staff member or couple of grenades can stop big projects. Has happened earlier too. Personally know how these things were done in the past...kidnapping and grenades.

Then why the celebration at what is essentially a process and not some "victory"?

 

[AshishDelhi]

Then why the celebration at what is essentially a process and not some "victory"?

Just few online comments, no celebration. India will just show that it can move fwd without WB or Pakistan's consent.
Later it will come to negotiating table. This is most likely scenario.
Few celebratory comments are based on hatred displayed by Pakistanis. Do they even know what they are going to lose. A dam during war would be strategic asset to safe guard, not some attacking asset. But what Pakistanis are taught that evil Hindus will stop Pakistan's water during war. Pakistani govt and army know that only way to stop water is through dams and it can be destroyed if need be.
Their concern is assimilation and prosperity that these projects might bring in for JK and India. These benefit employment, irrigation, tourism, state revenue, infrastructure, connectivity.

 

[Logicaldude]

Then why the celebration at what is essentially a process and not some "victory"?

Indian official has clearly hailed - welcomed the world bank decision to halt the two simultaneous processes giving the exact same objections India had raised, i e two simultaneous processes were untenable.

I dont see any issue with the statement by Indian official. Where do you see celebration of victory? Just an expression of satisfaction that our POV on a certain matter prevailed.

What posters are pointing out is that as this may lead to delays, india can continue work in the meantime.

Its interesting that all the war and nuclear war threats from pakistani posters dont bother u at all, over a simple non provocative statement on a procesural matter by India. Have your people completely lost it?

 

[SQ8]

Just few online comments, no celebration. India will just show that it can move fwd without WB or Pakistan's consent.
Later it will come to negotiating table. This is most likely scenario.
Few celebratory comments are based on hatred displayed by Pakistanis. Do they even know what they are going to lose. A dam during war would be strategic asset to safe guard, not some attacking asset. But what Pakistanis are taught that evil Hindus will stop Pakistan's water during war. Pakistani govt and army know that only way to stop water is through dams and it can be destroyed if need be.
Their concern is assimilation and prosperity that these projects might bring in for JK and India. These benefit employment, irrigation, tourism, state revenue, infrastructure, connectivity.

That is just what you guys learn in school and from your government. Seems that nuclear war is the best way to end such hatred and cancer; just eliminate the cancer that is South Asia to the world.

 

[el che]

if you check your country water data coming from Baramaputra its showing this river irrigates nearly 37% of india and those are purely Hindu States

Just have a look in North East India map. It is far lesser than 37 percent area. Also most of the region is mountainous. There are two major river valleys, Brahmaputra and Barak. Barak originates in India. Brahmaputra flows through Assam. While Yarlung Tsangpo from China is the largest tributary, there are other mighty tributaries like Subansiri, Lohit, Kameng and Teesta which contribute to the immense flow of Brahmaputra which is three times the flow of Indus. Also the region receives plenty of rainfall and is far from being water scarce.That is why there are no major dam or reservoirs in North East.

 

[AshishDelhi]

That is just what you guys learn in school and from your government. Seems that nuclear war is the best way to end such hatred and cancer; just eliminate the cancer that is South Asia to the world.

South Asia will prosper. I am bullish on south Asia. Intelligent and hard working people mostly. Just left behind. Can do well if a war or very poor governance does not stop it.
My points are specific to Indian projects on these rivers. I strongly believe it will not negatively impact Pakistani citizens. Any misuse by India during war can be easily used by Pakistan in its favour.

 

[imadul]

We have recently seen that Pakistan is NOT in any position to escalate matters
and take on India

India's demand is very simple : STOP cross border terrorism or we will
retaliate using all available measures including water

There is no country which supports Pakistan's activities against India

So naturally there will be no support for this water dispute either

Time in india's side but momentarily. You many indians have swollen up because of 2-3 decades of relative prspoerity after 800 years of being ruled by Muslims. This bravado from indans will evaporate soon.
It is india doing proxy war and terrorism, and weak Pak govt not retaliating thus pumping indian swollen heads further.
When Indian Muslim got united, they Made Pakistan despite hindu and their british collaborator's efforts. Similarly Pakistan will forever defeat India. Time changes fast. It is alreading changing but hate and bravado has clouded indian's sight.

 

[Zaahir]

if you check your country water data coming from Baramaputra its showing this river irrigates nearly 37% of india and those are purely Hindu States

Maybe you can help me with the source of your data and i will help you understand it...and we don't have hindu and muslim states in India- just Indian states.

Time in india's side but momentarily. You many indians have swollen up because of 2-3 decades of relative prspoerity after 800 years of being ruled by Muslims. This bravado from indans will evaporate soon.
It is india doing proxy war and terrorism, and weak Pak govt not retaliating thus pumping indian swollen heads further.
When Indian Muslim got united, they Made Pakistan despite hindu and their british collaborator's efforts. Similarly Pakistan will forever defeat India. Time changes fast. It is alreading changing but hate and bravado has clouded indian's sight.

Well by your logic the swelling up will continue into the future cause really we are doing pretty well at the moment...and a gentle reminder..not all muslims united for pakistan. The partition just separated some rotten apples from the main fruit basket . Lot of us chose to live here and can never be happier with our forefathers foresight.

 

[Fireurimagination]

Solutions is simple, stop exporting terrorism and come to the negotiating table. India has all the right in the world to use any and all tools at this disposal to harm somebody who is harming us. Here Pakistani play so surprised and run to world bank, what about when you arm insurgents and send them to kill Indians and act that it should be business as usual when you are benefiting party.

 

[Photon]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1302426/response-to-wb-arbitration-halt-being-weighed

Response to WB arbitration halt being weighed
The Newspaper's Staff Reporter — Updated about 6 hours ago


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LAHORE: Discussions at the government level are under way to decide how best to handle the ongoing water dispute between Pakistan and India, Commissioner for Indus Waters Mirza Asif Baig said on Wednesday.

“We have received the letter from the World Bank that has halted the process of the court of arbitration, as was requested earlier by Pakistan. Instead it has asked both governments to resolve the dispute bilaterally. We are yet to make an opinion and it is premature to say anything conclusive,” Mr Baig told Dawn over the phone.

When asked if either country had contacted the other following the written correspondence, Mr Baig reiterated his previous statement that the matter was under discussion within government departments.

On the other hand, Indian foreign ministry spokesperson Vikas Swarup said on Wednesday that his country was “fully conscious” of its international obligations and was “ready to engage in further consultations”.

Pakistani and Indian officials said they would consider resuming direct talks on water sharing after the World Bank halted the process to arbitrate a longstanding dispute over two Indian hydroelectric projects.

Former Indus commissioner Jamat Ali Shah was of the view that the Pakistani side had put forward a request to the court of arbitration without doing its homework. The Indian side had pleaded the same case of appointing neutral experts which Pakistan had already done in 2010.

He said it was high time for Pakistan to consider the appointment of neutral experts with India and come up with an amicable resolution on the designs of both Indian dams under the Indus Waters Treaty otherwise Pakistan could suffer irreparable loss.

Mr Shah said that India had somehow managed to convince the World Bank that the latter could not appoint an arbitrator legally, adding that the Indian government had succeeded in buying more time till January to get a verdict in its favour.

Published in Dawn, December 15th, 2016